MTG Salvation

What about this Tormenting Voice variant? Not as versatile, but cheaper. Obviously not for the reanimate/artifact decks, but maybe good on aggro or loam decks?

I don't know. The fact that you can't dig for lands with this might make it too narrow.

As a draw spell that doesn't provide card advantage, I highly prefer Faithless Loothing because you can always flashback it and is less restrictive. If Tormeted Voice haven't find a spot in the cube, I think that it should be the same for this one. Not enough attractive for me. Maybe for 810-900 and more cubes.

I think being way less versatile than Tormenting Voice really hurts this. 1 mana is nice, but it's still sorcery speed and you have to give up a land, making it useless for most graveyard shenanigans. A big part of looting effects in cube is that you can soften the blow or even use them to your advantage by recurring cards later.


It can't help you when you're mana screwed, which is when you'd want a 1-mana card filtering spell the most.

I'm not really interested, but I'll keep an open mind if people report back with really great testing results.

Card parity and only castable in like 50-60% of situations? Pass. Even for 1 mana.

Only costing 1 mana is huge, and it is jsut the type of looting I want in a red deck where I am considering cutting lands. Reanimator would prefer tormenting voice but no other decks wanted it. I think combo decks like reanimator will still play this as they love to dig for pieces, and to it early.

Very tempting for sure but not high enough impact to replace looting or gamble or anything else in my red section right now.

As fuel for burn and combo decks, it's really really good. But it's just not versatile enough for the decks that want it for reanimator or Welder shenanigans. And as noted, you can't dig for land very well. Pity. Sorcery speed doesn't matter too much, you're usually fine casting this sort of spell on your turn to fuel whatever you're doing with it.

Tormenting Voice has been useful for all sorts of decks, primarily reanimator, and seeing play quite readily in R/x aggro too. I'm not interested in this since it's not a discard outlet for the effects you want in the GY - I like the repeatable effect of Molten Vortex better.

Only hitting lands is going to be a pretty big drawback in the cube environment. If you're running low on them, this is going to be a dead card in hand for a very long time.

This is not what Im looking to run. Needing to have a land sucks.

I definitely won't cut Tormenting Voice for this.

The extra mana on Tormenting Voice is well worth the versatility it provides you when choosing what to discard.

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As a draw spell that doesn't provide card advantage, I highly prefer Faithless Loothing because you can always flashback it and is less restrictive.

Worth noting that looting is actually card Disadvantage, while this is just card parity.

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Quote from Zetsu_Sensei »

As a draw spell that doesn't provide card advantage, I highly prefer Faithless Loothing because you can always flashback it and is less restrictive.

Worth noting that looting is actually card Disadvantage, while this is just card parity.

You can flashback Faithless Loothing from your graveyard, so it is not like it was really pure card disadvantage. It will only be after you resolved it twice, but and the end, you'll have seen 4 new cards in the process. In no way Magmatic Insight is better than loothing IMO. Lack of versatility in the discard process is the main reason why.

Faithless Looting is always card disadvantage, no matter if you flash it back or not.

No Flashback: -3, +2
With Flashback: -5, +4

Contrast this to Tormenting Voice and Magmatic Insight that are both -2, +2.

Despite this, Insight is worse than Looting. I think nobody would argue otherwise.

If you discard the Looting to another effect, the flashback mode only is card parity.

But card disadvantage or no, Looting is much better than Voice or Insight.

What I meant is that when you first cast loothing, it feels almost like if you still have it in your hand because you can cast it again from your graveyard. I know that technicly, you are 1 card behind. But however, I was initially referring to draw cards spell that don't provide card advantage. Faithless Loothing is one of those cards, even if in fact, it provides card disadvantage.

Correct, they all meet the description of draw spells that are not card advantage. Which in your defense, was the original distinction you specified.

Love the card for constructed, but not for Cube, where I really want the card in this slot to be able to discard anything so that it can enable other shenanigans.

There are cards where 1 mana less makes a huge difference and warrants a drawback, but I don't think Tormenting Voice is such a card.