I have found myself moving away from explicitly supporting tokens in cube in favor of supporting other strategies while leaving cards that happen to make tokens and are good on their own in the cube (Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Hero of Bladehold, Cloudgoat Ranger, etc,). With that being said, would you guys recommend still running Spectral Procession and what decks besides those focusing on tokens would want it? It feels like Spectral is a 4-drop rather than a true 3-drop outside of Mono-White decks which puts it in direct competition with cube's other powerful 4-drops. I'm not sure if making 3 1/1 flying spirits is as powerful as playing a Restoration Angel or Hero of Bladehold, especially without explicit token support.
(Forgot to mention that my cube is 360 un-powered)
Black has its share of token producers in order to support stax/pox and there are a few token producers in Green. I think there are enough token producers in my cube that there might be a viable token deck but I'm not explicitly going out of my way to provide it support. At that point is Spectral Procession needed or would it be more beneficial to cut it for something else?
Note: I don't run Ajani Goldmane because my group commented on white having an excessive number of planeswalkers compared to other colors during our first few sessions. I cut Ajani to try to address these problems as I like the Elspeths and Gideon more.
Between this and Flame Javelin, I never understood the reason people love these cards in cube. This looks outclassed by Midnight Haunting in the same way that the javelin is outclassed by Char.
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Between this and Flame Javelin, I never understood the reason people love these cards in cube. This looks outclassed by Midnight Haunting in the same way that the javelin is outclassed by Char.
Except it's not at all, because Char and Javelin both deal 4 damage, and Procession's Effect is 50% stronger than Haunting's. If Haunting made 3 tokens but dealt 2 damage to me, we'd have something to consider there. But making 2 bodies instead of 3 is a tremendous difference in value. It would be the equivalent of Javelin doing 6 damage with no drawback, and calling Char better even then.
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...cards that happen to make tokens and are good on their own in the cube...
Spectral Procession is in this category. You don't need anthems to have a card that produces 3 evasive bodies for as low as 3 mana be good.
Black has its share of token producers in order to support stax/pox and there are a few token producers in Green. I think there are enough token producers in my cube that there might be a viable token deck but I'm not explicitly going out of my way to provide it support. At that point is Spectral Procession needed or would it be more beneficial to cut it for something else?
This looks to me like a lot of support for a tokens deck in white, even if you're not actively going out of your way to support it. If you're looking for a cut, though, I'm pretty skeptical about Master the Unseen. It wasn't that great even in FRF-KTK-KTK limited, which is a much slower environment than cube, so unless you're getting some great results with it I'd be looking to cut that before Spectral Procession.
I have found it used in w/u or w/u/b control decks in the lingering souls kind of way. I also like it in spells maters decks with soulfire grand master, young pyromancer etc. And if you are trying out the new Narset it would be perfect with that. But all of that said I think it is cuttable if you want to try something else. I am giving tokens one more big push in my cube for a couple months but might scale back afterwards and this is one card that would probably take a seat.
(Forgot to mention that my cube is 360 un-powered)
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Looking at my cube, I have the following token producers in white:
Blade Splicer
Brimaz, King of Oreskos
Hallowed Spiritkeeper
Monastery Mentor
Hero of Bladehold
Cloudgoat Ranger
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Sigil of the Empty Throne (supporting Enchantress)
Mastery of the Unseen (Not tokens but close)
In terms of mass pump I have the following in white
Accorder Paladin
Hero of Bladehold
Spear of Heliod
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Black has its share of token producers in order to support stax/pox and there are a few token producers in Green. I think there are enough token producers in my cube that there might be a viable token deck but I'm not explicitly going out of my way to provide it support. At that point is Spectral Procession needed or would it be more beneficial to cut it for something else?
Note: I don't run Ajani Goldmane because my group commented on white having an excessive number of planeswalkers compared to other colors during our first few sessions. I cut Ajani to try to address these problems as I like the Elspeths and Gideon more.
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So in my experience, it is expendable but I'd hear from others who have used it more.
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Except it's not at all, because Char and Javelin both deal 4 damage, and Procession's Effect is 50% stronger than Haunting's. If Haunting made 3 tokens but dealt 2 damage to me, we'd have something to consider there. But making 2 bodies instead of 3 is a tremendous difference in value. It would be the equivalent of Javelin doing 6 damage with no drawback, and calling Char better even then.
Spectral Procession is in this category. You don't need anthems to have a card that produces 3 evasive bodies for as low as 3 mana be good.
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This looks to me like a lot of support for a tokens deck in white, even if you're not actively going out of your way to support it. If you're looking for a cut, though, I'm pretty skeptical about Master the Unseen. It wasn't that great even in FRF-KTK-KTK limited, which is a much slower environment than cube, so unless you're getting some great results with it I'd be looking to cut that before Spectral Procession.
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3 P/T for 3 split into 3 flying bodies in quite useful and though to answer! Nice with anthems, guys like Hero of Bladehold and stuff as well!
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Triple white on turn 3 is unrealistic.