MTG Salvation

Quote from wtwlf123

Well, Bonfire would kill my tokens, for now, but Norn's 7 toughness is pretty safe, lol. Then I just make 3 more tokens on the next turn.

Doesn't Bonfire also take Elspeth, though? But wow, you're right that Elesh Norn's big behind just laughs off a full Bonfire on curve! I haven't played against her in a while. That's terrifying. You'd have to bonfire for 5 to Elspeth's face, then burn to finish Norn off... and that's just to come out even.

Ya, Norn has a fat butt.

Would it be crazy to cut Spectral Procession for this?

I think so. Procession is an amazing cube card, IMO.

Quote from Tom Servo

Would it be crazy to cut Spectral Procession for this?

Why would you cut Spectral? Card is literally insane + builds synergy with any Elspeth, especially 3.

I think it's expendable. It's pretty much never cast for 3, which is the whole reason people put it in their cubes. If you explicitly support tokens its stock is higher of course. It's still a good deal at 4 mana... Just not a great deal.

Wut? There are lots of cards that are worse than Spectral in most white sections.

Yeah, I forgot I hadn't cut Tirel yet, that makes this somewhat easy. Curving into Norn sounds like infinite fun.

Please don't cut Spectral Procession. That card is crazy good.

I played this card in a standard fnm last night, and she's disgustingly powerful. I know she already looks powerful, but in practice she's even better. I think she's easily a staple.

I don't know if this is still a thing, but this card is probably better than most the 6 drops in white other than Sun Titan. If you're still running Yosei, I like Elspeth better.

Card is really good, although the only in play thing its done is poop out 3 4/2 tokens before dying.

Quote from Sasky

I know she already looks powerful, but in practice she's even better. I think she's easily a staple.

I'm with you -- this Elspeth will be in my cube for a long time.

Quote from eidolon232

Dropping this card against a green deck is such a beating!

most decks*

She's been totally nuts for us. There are very few board states where she isn't great. Totally worth 6 mana.

Picked one up in a pack. Surprisingly her minus ability is awesome when she hits late game. As discussed, the 1/1s are great chumchange while you build up to her ultimate.

Elspeth has been fantastic for us so far, able to turn losing games around. She’s been an absolute house of a finisher and without evasive guys with 2-3 power, she’s been near impossible to deal with.

For anyone currently not running her, I suggest you proxy one in and try her out... no matter your cube size.

The one time she was played, she was unable to stop the player from losing. However, I'd say that's a small sample size and the card warrants more testing.

Elspeth, Sun's Champion was discussed here in the Random Cube Card of the Day thread.

It's 2024. How does Elspeth, Sun's Champion hold up in powered Vintage Cubes today? At what size Cube would you play Elspeth?

ESC has had its first real competition printed in The Eternal Wanderer. I'm curious how they stand up to comparison, now that it's been a while since the card's release.
I admittedly haven't had a lot of chances of playing with either lately, so I sadly don't have much to contribute.

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It's 2024. How does Elspeth, Sun's Champion hold up in powered Vintage Cubes today? At what size Cube would you play Elspeth?

I was wrong on this Elspeth when it first came out, but it absolutely justified its 6 CMC cost and was a staple for years.

HOWEVER, I recently cut it when I trimmed my list down to 375 and I don't particularly miss it. We're sort of at the point now where 6 mana plays need to basically win the game on their own and with so many evasive threats and efficient PW kill spells now, even getting 3 soldiers off elspeth only to have her die to a 2 or 3 cmc instant still feels like you're worse off in the exchange.

Still a strong card, but cuttable now IMO. I think 4 years ago I would have said it's insane to cut her.

I think at 630 she is still good, probably questionable at 540 and below.