I'm not so sure. When I dropped to 405, I kept all those cards, since those decks are always starving for the redundancy. I mean, you obviously know your own playgroup/list better than I do, but I was satisfied with all of those redundant effects even when I was playing a cube that was slightly smaller than yours is now. Anyways, just my $0.02.
At 450, I'm not running Oath (it's up for consideration) or Shelldock, plus I've got Tinker and Tooth and Nail. I'd keep all of them except maybe the two I'm not already running.
I forgot to mention Channel and Tinker as well. My only other consideration would be to cut lightning strike instead of the TTB because I’m running all 3 copies at 450 and there have been multiple burn spells wheeling in my last few drafts. It’s indicative of too many burn spells.
@Rantipole: I’m not sure why you aren’t running Oath of Druids. I’ve never considered cutting that card because it’s powerful and one hell of a skill tester. It requires you to warp your draft around it, but if you provide the correct targets in cube, the pay off is as high as you make it. It should come before Stampede IMO.
With a 4 card azorius section, I want to push tempo and control. So, I need to keep two of each :
Teferi VS fractured identity VS sphin's revelation.
Geist of st Traft VS reflector mage vs spell quelle.
@Thunderwang: I'd cut Shrine of Burning Rage or an Incinerate clone from your list. Or Hazoret. Hazoret is going to be my cut for one of the red goodies that Guilds of Ravnica gave us. I haven't run Oath because my group has not seemed interested in it. I will likely give it a test sometime.
@Noh: I think the top 4 Azorius cards (for tempo and control) are Supreme Verdict, Fractured Identity, Teferi, and Geist of St. Traft. Next would be Revelation and Reflector Mage. Supreme Verdict is likely the most needed of all of them.
I would cut Vorapede, which is a cool critter and all, but Behemoth as a mana reflection and especially for introducing monarch is a ton of fun. Love that card, and I want to find room for it again because monarch creates such fun gameplay.
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@Noh: FI, Teferi, and whatever you feel needs the most support IMO.
@Scourge: Is there any particular reason why you want to play Vorapede? Regal Behemoth goes better with Stampede. Fatty Cheats and Big Mana strategies can often be played in the same deck.
THUNDERWANG: I must admit an irrational soft spot for Vorapede. It passes the Vindicate test, that plus the vigilance has proven to be a beating for aggro decks, and plays well with another pet card of mine in Devastation.
Hi! Attempting to support the Green Aggro/Tempo archetype in a small cube (200) here. I have two questions:
1) How do mana dorks fit into these archetypes?
2) I think I only have room for 3 aggro/tempo 1-drops. Assuming Wolfbitten Captive is the best (not sure of that tho), which non-dork 1-drop package is the best to include?
-Growing 1-drops (Pelt Collector, Experiment One)
-2/1 for 1 (Jungle Lion, Kessig Prowler)
Wild Nacatl and Skyshroud Elite are the ones you're looking for IMO. Jungle Lion being the worst and (MO) unplayable.
That doesn't include the ones that aren't mono-green though. Dryad Militant, Wild Nacatl and Warden of the First Tree are all better, but are best with other specific colors involved. Tattermunge Maniac is also playable if you need depth at the slot (which you won't).
Skyshroud Elite's inconsistencies, especially in the early game on the play, made it actively bad and it was almost immediately cut after underperforming. I would drop that card into the bottom tier of green aggro 1-drops with Scythe Leopard, Wild Dogs, Pouncing Jaguar and Ghazbán Ogre.
They're a form of tempo, but they don't work well together. I think you want to be on the mana dork -> 3-drop plan or the efficient attacker plan, not a mix and match of the two. I don't want to draw Llanowar Elves in the middle of my Pelt Collector curve, and vice-versa. Both plans can be viable options, but they don't mix. The reason why I like supporting both tempo and aggro packages in green is because of the mix-and-match/interchangeable parts aspect that they bring to the other colors. It's easier to use the good aspects that green can bring to beatdown decks when you can also use the color to reach your aggro 1-drop saturation at the same time.
What are the 5 next equipments (TOP 15)? and What order?
There's not really an answer to that question because other than the missed-the-mark-by-a-mile mistakes + the aggro equips, they basically aren't good enough for Cube if you're judging primarily on power level.
Needing help, I have been powering up my cube the last little while. Finally got a mana crypt to add but I am having a hard time deciding on cut's. anyone mind taking a looking and giving suggestions?
Artisan can feel both broken at times and bad at times. It's very powerful, but it's also quite fragile, and can cause some rifts to show up with some cards it pairs with. I prefer Show and Tell if I was to pick one of the two.
Don't know about the green one. The Bestisry can be sweet tech in some matches.
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@Rantipole: I’m not sure why you aren’t running Oath of Druids. I’ve never considered cutting that card because it’s powerful and one hell of a skill tester. It requires you to warp your draft around it, but if you provide the correct targets in cube, the pay off is as high as you make it. It should come before Stampede IMO.
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@Noh: I think the top 4 Azorius cards (for tempo and control) are Supreme Verdict, Fractured Identity, Teferi, and Geist of St. Traft. Next would be Revelation and Reflector Mage. Supreme Verdict is likely the most needed of all of them.
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The clearest possible cuts right now are either Vorapede or Regal Behemoth. Thoughts?
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I would cut Vorapede, which is a cool critter and all, but Behemoth as a mana reflection and especially for introducing monarch is a ton of fun. Love that card, and I want to find room for it again because monarch creates such fun gameplay.
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@Scourge: Is there any particular reason why you want to play Vorapede? Regal Behemoth goes better with Stampede. Fatty Cheats and Big Mana strategies can often be played in the same deck.
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Wild Nacatl and Skyshroud Elite are the ones you're looking for IMO. Jungle Lion being the worst and (MO) unplayable.
02 Pelt Collector
03 Experiment One
04 Wolfbitten Captive
05 Jungle Lion
That doesn't include the ones that aren't mono-green though. Dryad Militant, Wild Nacatl and Warden of the First Tree are all better, but are best with other specific colors involved. Tattermunge Maniac is also playable if you need depth at the slot (which you won't).
Skyshroud Elite's inconsistencies, especially in the early game on the play, made it actively bad and it was almost immediately cut after underperforming. I would drop that card into the bottom tier of green aggro 1-drops with Scythe Leopard, Wild Dogs, Pouncing Jaguar and Ghazbán Ogre.
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There's not really an answer to that question because other than the missed-the-mark-by-a-mile mistakes + the aggro equips, they basically aren't good enough for Cube if you're judging primarily on power level.
Then fill in with the other Swords I guess (but they get marginal), but that's about the entirety of the list IMO.
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Agreed. At 450, I'm running Keg and EE but not Bomb.
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Ineffable Blessing(flavorful/bland) or Lifecrafter's Bestiary
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Don't know about the green one. The Bestisry can be sweet tech in some matches.
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