MTG Salvation

I actually like the new Ghost Council a fair bit. It'll have to compete with Lingering Souls for me, though. But he look great. He dish out 7 damage per turn, gain you 2 life, and dodge sorcery speed removal. But well, he IS a 5 drop. So I'm not sure how good he is, really.

It's cool but Lingering Souls for life. Could be fun in larger cubes.

This card seems amazing. The casting cost is the only thing holding it back from "staple for all cubes" status (though it may end up being worth it anyways). It just does so much so well that people should very strongly consider the card for their cube.

This group of oldies is a serious beating! Loving it already, and I'm contemplating moving out either Mortify or Stillmoon Cavalier for it (probably the Cavalier)

Yep, looks like Unburial Rites is getting a swift axe for this card. The only downside I find unappealing is the difficult casting cost but for the package this card delivers I really think its worth it. Talk about passing the Vindicate test... these old coots had the answer key.

Going in my edh cube immediately, to replace its absolutely worthless (from a commander perspective) older incarnation.

This card seems like the nuts, it will all come down to how often he actually gets cast. But this guy, before you get to attack with him, is an 8 point life swing. I'll have to look at my orzhov decks and see how fast they get to WWBB

I don't think it's very good, honestly. Its cost is much too restrictive for a card that is basically only aggressive and has no evasion. It will be raced all day by aggro and aggressive midrange.

No way in hell this is better than Lingering Souls (or Vindicate, or Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, or even Gerrard's Verdict).

It's definitely cool. I might give it the nudge over desolation angel in my cube to test it out, but I expect we'll get a better orzhov card this set and I'll completely forget about this guy. 7 damage that dodges sorcery speed removal and gains you life. If only it had flying, or vigilance or trample or anything.

I dont know about it. It dodges Sorcery speed removal, but it cannot defend you. Ill pass for now.

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I dont know about it. It dodges Sorcery speed removal, but it cannot defend you. Ill pass for now.

The exile ability is a may, so if you need to have it defend, you can.

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I don't think it's very good, honestly. Its cost is much too restrictive for a card that is basically only aggressive and has no evasion. It will be raced all day by aggro and aggressive midrange.

No way in hell this is better than Lingering Souls (or Vindicate, or Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, or even Gerrard's Verdict).

The continual enters-the-battlefield effect is most certainly a form of evasion when the board is locked up and can certainly race aggressive strategies in a BW shell (where this will generally be surrounded by disruption in the form of removal and discard). I wouldn't cube this over Lingering Souls, Vindicate, or Sorin mostly due to the restrictive nature of it's cost, but after that I think it fits very well as an option for a 4th slot in BW sections.

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Wow, this one is really hard to get rid off:

• Swords to Plowshares
  
• Path to Exile
  
• Condemn
  
• Parallax Wave
  
• Go for the Throat
  
• Brimstone Volley

Don't forget Dismember!

But yeah, your point still stands, he's pretty good at dodging removal and he has pseudo-evasion. If they race you, this guy represents an amazing clock. While he can't block, he drains repeatedly.

Black/white decks already have trouble here due to a lot of the best cards costing BB and WW. I'm leery of adding a mana-intensive bomb since I have to deal with a lot more color-intensive options at 720.

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1XXYY isn't really that much of a problem in a 2 colored deck 91.2% compared to 74.9% for XX or 90.2% for 2XX (3 duals, equal distribution among basics).

How can XX be castable only 75% of the time but XXYY1 is castable 91% of the time?

Because by the time you have 5 lands out it's easier to cast 1XXYY than it is to have XX when you only have 2 lands in a 2-color deck.

Yeah, it wasn't clear from Eidolon's post, but those are the odds of having the specific mana available on-curve. Obviously XX is easier to get past turn 2.

I love this guy as a card, but I'm not sure about cube. The casting cost is bad but the abilities and p/t are strong. It doesn't break the top 3 Orzhov cards, and I think I still like Desolation Angel as a game-ender. Better than Gerard's Verdict? Probably but it fills less vital of a role. So, I'm just not sure. In my fantasy world, we get at least two better Orzhov cards so I don't have to think too much about this.

Also, add Rout and Diabolic Edict to the list of cards that can kill this.

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It's cool, but this set will probably have something more useful (read: aggro card(s)) that I will use instead.

This card is absurdly powerful.

The casting cost is prohibitive to the number of decks it can be played in.. but.. This is a REALLY good curve topper in W/B agro (5 is stretching it, but this card might be worth it) as well as a solid esper control card.

It's not broken or anything, and in an environment where a lot of decks go WAY over the top, it's far from an exciting pick.

In standard it seems absurd, but cube.. I'd say it's 4th-6th best orzhov card.

However, it does lack synergy so it's not an amazing card to include.

I like him a lot but I'm not sure how good he is in comparison to the competition. I'd say he's somewhere in the 4th-6th range as well.

Sulfuric vortex on a very resilient 5/5 that gains you life instead of hitting you. For 5 mana. I think I'm going to give this one a try.

Simply put the powerlevel does not overcome the WWBB manacost, at 3WB I'd say great, but not the cost it is listed at. The # of decks it will see play in are extremely small because of the mana restrictions therefore I wont be including it.

I also think it looks pretty good. Depending on what else we get I might test it out.