I don't really see Izzet Charm replacing any of the Izzet burn spells. I recently cut Gelectrode making my Izzet section Electrolyze, Prophetic Bolt, Fire/Ice, Niv-Mizzet, and Desolate Lighthouse. Now I am guessing I will replace Niv-Mizzet or just expand the section by 1.
Niv-Mizzet and Lighthouse are totally expendable and the Charm looks very good.
I'm not sure what to cut for the Charm, but it might be Electrolyze. The Mangler doesn't fit in my BG section but is obviously really good. I"m going to continue to run Life // Death over the Mangler because it fits what I want the color pair to do more than the Mangler does.
Niv-Mizzet and Lighthouse are totally expendable and the Charm looks very good.
I'm not sure what to cut for the Charm, but it might be Electrolyze. The Mangler doesn't fit in my BG section but is obviously really good. I"m going to continue to run Life // Death over the Mangler because it fits what I want the color pair to do more than the Mangler does.
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I agree with happy's ranking, but if you are playing nine at 450 I think you can play izzet signet over electrolyze without much problem. Obviously don't if you don't play the signets, but I like them.
Anyone have an estimate of how much the shocklands will fall in price if they're reprinted? That'll be the biggest boon to many (budget) guild sections...
If they fall to around the same price, should I get them over the Zendikar lands?
Anyone have an estimate of how much the shocklands will fall in price if they're reprinted? That'll be the biggest boon to many (budget) guild sections...
If they fall to around the same price, should I get them over the Zendikar lands?
Probably a bit, but the question of concern is, what if they reprint them at mythic?
Just because they're on a different power level doesn't automatically make them mythic. Otherwise every junk rare would be common and every five-star rare would be mythic.
Oh, and the only mythic rare that is also a land card? Eye of Ugin. They're not going to add five more mythic lands to go with it in one set. From a logistical and flavor standpoint, it makes no sense. It's pretty clear to me there's a justifiable difference in rarity between shocklands and the Eye.
Why not? They've made it quite clear in the last few years that the kind of lands they want at rare are things like the M10/INN duals...
They've also made it clear that dual land type cards aren't what they're looking to print as mythics. They're for planeswalkers, fatties, and unique/bomby type cards.
Mythic rarity doesn't denote good vs bad. Just Mythic vs Rare. Just because a card is better than a rare doesn't mean it needs to be a mythic.
They shouldn't print the Shocks as mythics, and we don't have any precedence to assume they'd do so.
They've also made it clear that dual land type cards aren't what they're looking to print as mythics. They're for planeswalkers, fatties, and unique/bomby type cards.
Mythic rarity doesn't denote good vs bad. Just Mythic vs Rare. Just because a card is better than a rare doesn't mean it needs to be a mythic.
They shouldn't print the Shocks as mythics, and we don't have any precedence to assume they'd do so.
Fair enough. Also, I am in the camp that doesn't want them at Mythic, it was just a worry I had based on a discussion I had at my LGS.
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Fire/Ice
Prophetic bolt (this card is so good, It will be a while before I cut it if ever)
Lighthouse
Dual
Shock
Fetch
I think another dual land should be in there, like the izzet bounceland. 3 izzet lands is too little at at 450.
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Why not? They've made it quite clear in the last few years that the kind of lands they want at rare are things like the M10/INN duals...
And Zendikar fetches? Every block mechanic fixing land has been at Rare. Just because these are going to be fairly powerful doesn't mean they'll be Mythic. Heck, Alara had the tri-lands at uncommon, and a few 5-color lands at rare.
It's pretty much Wizards' policy that they want people to be able to cast their spells. Making sure there are enough lands to go around is part of that, or you'd end up with $40+ Seachrome Coasts right now.
i think the charm looks pretty damn good. it will always have a relevant mode and playable 2cc counters are in short supply these days. i think it's a lot better than loothouse, niv-mizzet, and prophetic bolt. i think it's comparable in power to electrolyze and fire//ice, but more interesting. i love that it's powerful in any archetype.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
Probably a bit, but the question of concern is, what if they reprint them at mythic?
Chances for shocklands (or any dual lands) being printed as mythics are 0%. Dual lands are the definition of utility cards that see play in a wide array of decks and Wizards has made it clear that such cards will never be mythic.
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Hoping, hoping, hoping for a mono green 'walker. I need more Green 'walkers in my cube. Also, I hope the point he has for Jace is that we aren't getting a fourth version. I don't want to run three of a walker with the same subtype.
I want another black walker that's as good as innistrad liliana. Green has 3 good walkers now
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Green, White, and Blue does not need anymore mono color walker. More cubable mono Black and Red walker, though, will be amazing.
I'll agree with you here. I'd love another good Black 'walker. But I also want another good green one that isn't Garruk. Even in a 630 card cube I've had the 2 planeswalkers of the same name problem occur. I don't like that. Its a bigger part of why I just cut Jace Memory Adept in favor of Tamiyo than his brokenness is.
To get back on topic, I have a hard time believing the female 'walker won't be Kiora. We have a simic merfolk shown to us in the early lore and we've known of a green-leaning female merfolk character for a year or more now...
Niv-Mizzet and Lighthouse are totally expendable and the Charm looks very good.
I'm not sure what to cut for the Charm, but it might be Electrolyze. The Mangler doesn't fit in my BG section but is obviously really good. I"m going to continue to run Life // Death over the Mangler because it fits what I want the color pair to do more than the Mangler does.
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Probably a bit, but the question of concern is, what if they reprint them at mythic?
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I hope they print them with new art, so it both preserves the value of the old ones and gives players more options for which art to use.
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Why not? They've made it quite clear in the last few years that the kind of lands they want at rare are things like the M10/INN duals...
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Oh, and the only mythic rare that is also a land card? Eye of Ugin. They're not going to add five more mythic lands to go with it in one set. From a logistical and flavor standpoint, it makes no sense. It's pretty clear to me there's a justifiable difference in rarity between shocklands and the Eye.
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They've also made it clear that dual land type cards aren't what they're looking to print as mythics. They're for planeswalkers, fatties, and unique/bomby type cards.
Mythic rarity doesn't denote good vs bad. Just Mythic vs Rare. Just because a card is better than a rare doesn't mean it needs to be a mythic.
They shouldn't print the Shocks as mythics, and we don't have any precedence to assume they'd do so.
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Fair enough. Also, I am in the camp that doesn't want them at Mythic, it was just a worry I had based on a discussion I had at my LGS.
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I think another dual land should be in there, like the izzet bounceland. 3 izzet lands is too little at at 450.
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And Zendikar fetches? Every block mechanic fixing land has been at Rare. Just because these are going to be fairly powerful doesn't mean they'll be Mythic. Heck, Alara had the tri-lands at uncommon, and a few 5-color lands at rare.
It's pretty much Wizards' policy that they want people to be able to cast their spells. Making sure there are enough lands to go around is part of that, or you'd end up with $40+ Seachrome Coasts right now.
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Chances for shocklands (or any dual lands) being printed as mythics are 0%. Dual lands are the definition of utility cards that see play in a wide array of decks and Wizards has made it clear that such cards will never be mythic.
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Nissa perhaps? Green could use another non-Garruk PW.
We know the walker is new, so no Nissa.
Hoping, hoping, hoping for a mono green 'walker. I need more Green 'walkers in my cube. Also, I hope the point he has for Jace is that we aren't getting a fourth version. I don't want to run three of a walker with the same subtype.
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I want another black walker that's as good as innistrad liliana. Green has 3 good walkers now
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I'll agree with you here. I'd love another good Black 'walker. But I also want another good green one that isn't Garruk. Even in a 630 card cube I've had the 2 planeswalkers of the same name problem occur. I don't like that. Its a bigger part of why I just cut Jace Memory Adept in favor of Tamiyo than his brokenness is.
To get back on topic, I have a hard time believing the female 'walker won't be Kiora. We have a simic merfolk shown to us in the early lore and we've known of a green-leaning female merfolk character for a year or more now...
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