MTG Salvation

Quote from Hicham

I don't get the 'uninteractive' ban some plan on doing. It is a creature, which means it interacts with your creatures when you attack that player.

I'm not too sure what it means either... I mean, aren't there a lot of other cube staples that are 'uninteractive'?

He attacks unblocked, blocks and dodges Pyroclasm like an indestructible creature and he has hexproof. That's super un-interactive even compared to Geist of Saint Traft or Invisible Stalker. It's arguably less interactive than Mill Jace.

I just don't like that there are so few ways of dealing with it, as a 3 CMC creature. Creatures with Hexproof or Shroud are annoying but ultimately fine, but the fact that this thing is unblockable as an attacker and unkillable as a wall is going too far since it can come down so early. I want those kind of creatures at the top of the curve.

Quote from Wildfire393

It still dies to every (non-red) sweeper out there, which ALing does not.

In my 300 Cube, those cards would be:

• Day of Judgment
  
• Wrath of God
  
• Catastrophe
  
• Damnation
  
• Supreme Verdict
  

And potentially,

• Balance
  
• Consuming Vapors
  
• Liliana of the Veil

Gideon Jura delays him.

That's more cards than I initially thought, but unless you play black or white, you're outta luck. This card basically wrecks RG aggro, and to a certain extent Naya aggro as well since they don't really want to play sweepers.

I dunno; I guess I can be open-minded and just test it. I still hate the name, though

P.S. I'm okay with a control finisher (Aetherling) being nigh unkillable. It's the 3 CMC thing that bothers me about this card.

Also Pox and Smallpox can deal with it. And Bane of the Living. And Braids and Smokestack. And Engineered Explosives. And Pernicious Deed. And Ratchet Bomb.

I really don't think the card is of a bannable powerlevel.

The scary thing about this is that I would consider cubing it if it had defender. And instead of defender, it can attack and is unblockable.

I wouldn't come close to considering this card if it had defender.

Quote from wtwlf123

I wouldn't come close to considering this card if it had defender.

I cube with Wall of Denial, and this a very reasonable alternative to it.

Well I wouldn't cube Wall of Denial either, but that card does a better job of blocking, because it has flying and defends you from trample.

Quote from wtwlf123

Well I wouldn't cube Wall of Denial either, but that card does a better job of blocking, because it has flying and defends you from trample.

Wall of denial doesn't kill anything, meaning you can't drop it and hold off a pair of 2/2s. This thing is basically a moat, as finding productive ways to attack into it on the ground are going to be few and far between.

Quote from sperry

Wall of denial doesn't kill anything, meaning you can't drop it and hold off a pair of 2/2s. This thing is basically a moat, as finding productive ways to attack into it on the ground are going to be few and far between.

If one protection creatures totally kills your deck, then your deck has a serious weakness. He can be swarmed, he can be trampled over, you can evade him.

He is a better card then Moat (playable in every blue deck), but Moat is a lot more oppressive.

Will he rule a lot of games? Yes. Will he be super stong? Yes. Will he be an auto-win? No.

But the nice thing about cube is that we can all make our own choices and then keep debating them over here;)

Quote from sperry

Wall of denial doesn't kill anything, meaning you can't drop it and hold off a pair of 2/2s. This thing is basically a moat, as finding productive ways to attack into it on the ground are going to be few and far between.

Sounds more like a good reason not to play Wall of Denial.

Luckily, this card is good because it doesn't have defender, so we don't have to worry about speculating about a theoretical 3cc wall.

And no, it's not a Moat. Your opponent can still attack you. They can swarm it, trample over it, use pro:blue Swords to skirt around it, evade it with shadow/fear in addition to being able to use flying creatures ...this creature is good because it's an unblockable threat.

Quote from Usman

This 3 mana mini-progenitus, wow. I agree with Majikian that it'll be similar to Guardian of the Guildpact in pauper:

Scary thing is I think this is an understatement because Progenitus can't pick up equipment.

If you're R/G I guess you hope they equip him with a Grafted Wargear?

My rules fu has become kinda rusty, but in order to trample over a creature, don't you need to assign lethal damage to it first? Which you can't, if the blocking creature has protection from you.

Still the point stands I guess, it's a superb creature but by no means an auto-win. Just wanted confirmation on this point.

Trample still works. The 1 damage that it can absorb will be reduced to zero, but only after the rest of the damage is assigned to its controller.

Good to know, thanks!

This card is an obvious include. I can't even think of a reason not to include it.

I guess if I am playing Red I have to smash over it or just Jokulhaups.

Green has to just trample.

I don't know why, but I really want to cast this card in a situation where giving it protection from myself is the correct line of play.

Quote from Humpty_Dumpty

I don't know why, but I really want to cast this card in a situation where giving it protection from myself is the correct line of play.

Wildfire?

Quote from CH4OS86

Won't global effects - like Wildfire - still hit it?

No. Since you cast Wildfire, you control the source of the damage.

Welp, we played this today. Its brokenly good.

So much so we had some discussion about whether or not it was format busting good. I think if this card was in a hard aggro colour it might be, but in blue it allows me to justify a whole archetype.

We will see as time goes on, but it was very rare that I lost when I played it. But it can be raced, especially by baneslayer.....

Racing it isn't the issue though, how often did holding it back just stop your opponent from attacking? I assume it was never killed?