My initial thoughts are that this card is just too unreliable. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is that activating a planeswalker twice on the same turn is something that hasn't been done before, so it's going to be interesting for sure.
But you can cast each planeswalkers abilities again. I really feel like that could be stupid powerful with Garruk, Nissa and Kiora. Not to mention, running this with a BUG walkers deck seems sort of hilarious
But you can cast each planeswalkers abilities again. I really feel like that could be stupid powerful with Garruk, Nissa and Kiora. Not to mention, running this with a BUG walkers deck seems sort of hilarious
I think this card needs Ajani, Mentor of Heroes in any deck that's running The Chain Veil so you can reliably have many Planeswalkers out.
4 mana each turn is a bit too much for the caliber of walkers we have outside of Elspeth, which I would rather be casting Sphinx's Revelation.
Nissa 2.0 seems to work well with it. 4 mana for a 4/4 trampler and an additional loyalty counter seems pretty good, as does using her untap ability to get a free loyalty counter.
It does go infinite combining with Ral Zarek and either Nissa (with at least 4 Forests) or Xenagos (with at least 4 creatures).
Using Ral Zarek's +1 to untap it and tapping irrelevant stuff while using the +1 of either Xenagos or Nissa to generate the 4 necessary mana will allow you to get an arbitrary number of activations in, and at least in expectation, an infinite number of turns, barring exceptionally poor luck.
This card is silly good. Allows for some really fun tricks. Nissa doesnt seem good outsides of 1 or 2 colors, so I wouldnt rly consider her in a superfriends deck...
they're really going Planeswalker heavy in this set.
It's mana intensive and likely won't be impactful the turn it's dropped which is enough to take it out of constructive, but it's not unplayable by any means. We've never had a card that let's us trigger a planeswalker twice a turn, We just don't yet know how impactful it will be. But plenty of Planeswalkers are getting used right now and two triggers a turn, even if you only get it off once or twice, that's game changing. I like it's odds.
Between it and Ajani Steadfast walkers can see a lot more loyalty a turn. It'd be interesting if Ultimates become more of an imminent threat than they once were. Seeing as it's possible to trigger one in two or three turns now.
There are a lot of playable 4-cost Planeswalkers in the current Standard. I think, rather than casting this, I'd rather just play another Planeswalker if I was running a Superfriends build.
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Even with all the tricks you could potentially do with this card, at that point it is simply a win-more card, either that or it does not immediately make up for playing this over an actual PW. Unless you can play this and activate it, you are still missing out on a walker drop, which is going to almost always be the better play.
This card is for formats where the mana cost and time investment for it's pay out are not a big factor. Standard is not one of those formats.
So it has been ~confirmed~ that each use of the veil adds one to the number of times a PW can be used for the turn. This means that Nissa, Worldwaker, Ral Zarek, and The Chain Veil go infinite if you have 4 forests.
This would only be available in standard for a few months, but does anyone want to try to brew up a deck?
It does go infinite combining with Ral Zarek and either Nissa (with at least 4 Forests) or Xenagos (with at least 4 creatures).
Using Ral Zarek's +1 to untap it and tapping irrelevant stuff while using the +1 of either Xenagos or Nissa to generate the 4 necessary mana will allow you to get an arbitrary number of activations in, and at least in expectation, an infinite number of turns, barring exceptionally poor luck.
Just built this deck, had fun playing a RWU vintage deck where I won with 1 life by ultimating Liliana 1.0 to steal his dead Vendilion Clique and block his sword of feast and famine-d stoneforge mystic and snappy and other clique, then swung with both specters and a reaver for the win.
Just built this deck, had fun playing a RWU vintage deck where I won with 1 life by ultimating Liliana 1.0 to steal his dead Vendilion Clique and block his sword of feast and famine-d stoneforge mystic and snappy and other clique, then swung with both specters and a reaver for the win.
My initial thoughts are that this card is just too unreliable. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is that activating a planeswalker twice on the same turn is something that hasn't been done before, so it's going to be interesting for sure.
I think this card needs Ajani, Mentor of Heroes in any deck that's running The Chain Veil so you can reliably have many Planeswalkers out.
You'd also be hoping for 4 Forests in a deck where I'm imagining you'd be running 3 colors.
Nissa 2.0 seems to work well with it. 4 mana for a 4/4 trampler and an additional loyalty counter seems pretty good, as does using her untap ability to get a free loyalty counter.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Using Ral Zarek's +1 to untap it and tapping irrelevant stuff while using the +1 of either Xenagos or Nissa to generate the 4 necessary mana will allow you to get an arbitrary number of activations in, and at least in expectation, an infinite number of turns, barring exceptionally poor luck.
Something like:
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Ral Zarek
2 Nissa, Worldwaker
2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
3 Mizzium Mortars
24 Land
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
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GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
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It's mana intensive and likely won't be impactful the turn it's dropped which is enough to take it out of constructive, but it's not unplayable by any means. We've never had a card that let's us trigger a planeswalker twice a turn, We just don't yet know how impactful it will be. But plenty of Planeswalkers are getting used right now and two triggers a turn, even if you only get it off once or twice, that's game changing. I like it's odds.
Between it and Ajani Steadfast walkers can see a lot more loyalty a turn. It'd be interesting if Ultimates become more of an imminent threat than they once were. Seeing as it's possible to trigger one in two or three turns now.
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This card is for formats where the mana cost and time investment for it's pay out are not a big factor. Standard is not one of those formats.
This would only be available in standard for a few months, but does anyone want to try to brew up a deck?
Ajani, Mentor of Heroes, Sage of Hours and The Chain Veil too.
Not sure how good it is, but it is new design space and powerful.
Standard
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EDH
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4 Liliana Vess
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Waste Not
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Liliana’s Reaver
4 Liliana’s Caress
4 Liliana’s Specter
4 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Leechridden Swamp
20 Swamp
This is Standard. Did you mean to post this somewhere else?