I think room should be made for some more creatures to supplement (or even protect) the walkers. Polukranos comes to mind. Maybe 3 copies can fit in the deck. With all the ramp you have, monstrous-ing Polukranos can sweep opposing creature based decks. I'm not a fan of Nissa in a 3 color build. I think Vraska or Liliana can warrant MD slots as 5-drop walkers.
This list runs 24 lands. I'm thinking of adding two copies of Read the Bones.
Alright! Now we have enough creatures so we don't have to worry about having board swipes in our deck. We have a LOT of ramp. Nissa + Market Festival (enchanted on a forest of course) let us put a nasty Garruk on turn 4-5. We have 16 forests so Nissa is really relevant here. Ajani + Elspeth can be pretty insane. Turn four Ajani into a turn five Elspeth (we have enough ramp to cast this spell before we hit our sixth land) can get us pretty close to victory. Nissa + Polukranos + mana ramp can also be pretty nasty, making our Hydra fat and destroying our opponent's board.
Not that its wrong, but it seems your taking the deck into a much different direction then originally intended (again not bad). It would seem if you are going for the Nissa, Worldwaker + Market Festival ramp strategy though -- you might just want to go more "mono-green devotion." I say that because you already have two sides to two different decks more/less right there. You can go "mono-green D," or "Green/Black mid-drange." It would seem (to many anyway) that choosing one or the other might be a more valid option. Take what I say as a grain of salt though, I am not you, therefor I do not know the intent of the actual deck design you have in mind. THANK YOU though for your continued input in reference to this and my other decks I have posted. Your input/advise is (and of course everyone else's) is what is helping what will hopefully be a tier one in this coming meta 8D
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The deck has 9 planeswalkers. In the BUG thread, people put lists with 10-11 planeswalkers so I don't see why my deck should not be considered superfriendly. The deck I'm testing might be more midrange because it has creatures but that gives us two advantages: 1) we do not entirely rely on the planeswalkers to win, we can do that with our creatures; 2) We've got a different way of protecting our planeswalkers. And the deck only has 6 cards with B mana symbol so I wouldn't say that it could go Golgari midrange
I think it looks fine. I might drop the Market Festival. Seems way too gimmicky for not having a good mana sink. Those slots are probably better just being something else.
I wasnt saying you were wrong, just trying to give you other options thats all. Yes, its still "superfriends," I feel I may have simply spoken wrongly.
1- I think either a 4C version or a Bant version is a lot stronger than this built. Adding blue gives access to cards such as Kiora, The Crashing Wave, Jace, Architect of thoughts, Supreme Verdict, Sphinx's Revelation and counterspells. These kind of cards gives you what Junk can't: swipers and crazy card advantage. I'm trying to build a Bant splashing black for two copies of that sexy Garruk but I wonder if splashing black for two cards is not too greedy.
It's sad that you quit exploring this idea. 4 colors is indeed greedy, but with such a light splash I could see it as being quite doable with so many playable dual lands currently available.
@ Kamahl: I know [Market Festival] seems broken and could be replaced by another spell. But after trying it I'm pleased with it. In combination with Nissa it can get out of control easily. One game I was able to cast a turn 4 [Garruk, Apex Predator]. But I still need more testing. This could also be the kind of useless card to draw.
@Draconek: I'm still working on that list but since it doesn't contain any Nissa or Ajani Steadfast I feel like it the exact same deck I'm currently playing (Bant Superfriend) with two copies of Garruk.
I been tooling around with Junk the last few days. I found I needed a little more "board control," so I added/subtracted a few cards here/there as well as in the SB.
I do feel however, that the "walkers" may need to be adjusted. I say that because for instance Ajani, Mentor of Heroes feels a lot less powerful when funning only 8x "walkers" in the deck vs say 10-14. This is something I will have to take into consideration.
@selith69 - could you explain the Darksteel Citadel? On Page 2 you said "The reason I chose to include Darksteel Citadel in this list (vs my BUG w/ has not one copy) is for the sheer fact that i'm able to run Ajani, Mentor of Heroes in the deck. Which, imo, makes it a MUCH larger threat and worth a spot in the mana base."
Is there something I'm missing here? I don't understand what they do together.
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I assumed Darksteel Citadel was played because of Nissa, Worldwaker. Making a 4/4 trample indestructible is sweet but the odds of having Nissa and Darksteel in play at the same time are low. In a three colour deck I'd be careful before adding any colourless land.
I assumed Darksteel Citadel was played because of Nissa, Worldwaker. Making a 4/4 trample indestructible is sweet but the odds of having Nissa and Darksteel in play at the same time are low. In a three colour deck I'd be careful before adding any colourless land.
That's a fair point, and makes a lot more sense than him talking about Ajani, Mentor of Heroes. I haven't had anyone to playtest against and I just put my list together a couple of days ago, but I'm going to be at GP Worcester/Boston Friday-Sunday, and will probably play a lot of standard Friday and possibly Sunday, between the main Modern event on Saturday.
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Nissa, Worldwaker makes a Darksteel Citadel a 4/4 (or any land really) and Ajani, Mentor of Heroes gives +3 1/1 counters to X creature -- X being ANY of the lands you have "altered" with Nissa, Worldwaker and BAM you have a 7/7 Trample (and as many as you can muster). I feel that this "synergy" is going to actually be something REALLY scary, which is why I included 3x Nissa and 3x Ajani in the MD.
Oh, and I know this is "cute" but imagine that "engine" w/ the added help of The Chain Veil lol!
Nissa, Worldwaker makes a Darksteel Citadel a 4/4 (or any land really) and Ajani, Mentor of Heroes gives +3 1/1 counters to X creature -- X being ANY of the lands you have "altered" with Nissa, Worldwaker and BAM you have a 7/7 Trample (and as many as you can muster). I feel that this "synergy" is going to actually be something REALLY scary, which is why I included 3x Nissa and 3x Ajani in the MD.
Oh, and I know this is "cute" but imagine that "engine" w/ the added help of The Chain Veil lol!
Too much Magic Christmasland right there.
I'll be playing plenty of this deck at the GP this weekend, so I'll make sure to report back as best I can!
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Anyone been working on this deck with any success? With the success of jund walkers, I'm having a hard time seeing why this deck couldnt be successful too.
Anyone been working on this deck with any success? With the success of jund walkers, I'm having a hard time seeing why this deck couldnt be successful too.
I feel like with all the kill spells in black, including things like dreadbore and sideboard tech like stormbreathe dragon... the red simply outclasses the white.
I could be wrong though, as elspeth is still a card.
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There is no reason being friendly and being competitive can't be synonymous.
I think this deck has the potential to be really great. Look at how many of the most powerful cards in post-rotation standard are in these colors:
Thoughtseize
Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Hero's Downfall
Courser of Kruphix
Chord of Calling
Nissa, Worldwaker
Utter End
Garruk, Apex Predator
Not saying that all of those cards would go into the top deck, but it's a pretty impressive list. What cards that are in that category aren't in those colors? I can't really think of any. Maybe Stormbreath Dragon? Blue is so far getting the shaft.
Also, we can probably bet on Abzhan Charm being extremely useful.
Based on the current spoiled cards (and what will be standard legal) I sternly believe that "Junk Walker" or some sort of variation will for sure be tier 1 or 2 in the upcoming meta 8D
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4x Courser of Kruphix
4x Sylvan Caryatid
2x Polukranos, World Eater
1x Blood Baron of Vizkopa
3x Abrupt Decay
2x Putrefy
2x Advent of the Wurm
2x Nissa, Worldwaker
2x Garruk, Apex Predator
2x Elspeth, Sun's champion
2x Banishing Light
Alright! Now we have enough creatures so we don't have to worry about having board swipes in our deck. We have a LOT of ramp. Nissa + Market Festival (enchanted on a forest of course) let us put a nasty Garruk on turn 4-5. We have 16 forests so Nissa is really relevant here. Ajani + Elspeth can be pretty insane. Turn four Ajani into a turn five Elspeth (we have enough ramp to cast this spell before we hit our sixth land) can get us pretty close to victory. Nissa + Polukranos + mana ramp can also be pretty nasty, making our Hydra fat and destroying our opponent's board.
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It's sad that you quit exploring this idea. 4 colors is indeed greedy, but with such a light splash I could see it as being quite doable with so many playable dual lands currently available.
Standard:
UR Control
@Draconek: I'm still working on that list but since it doesn't contain any Nissa or Ajani Steadfast I feel like it the exact same deck I'm currently playing (Bant Superfriend) with two copies of Garruk.
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Sylvan Caryatid
Walkers: 10
3 Ajani, Mentor of Heroes
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Garruk, Apex Predator
3 Nissa, Worldwaker
Instants: 10
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Deicide
3 Hero's Downfall
1 Putrefy
2 Ultimate Price
2 Banishing Light
2 Underworld Connections
Lands: 24
1 Darksteel Citadel
4 Forest
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Temple Garden
4 Temple of Malady
4 Temple of Plenty
2 Temple of Silence
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Blood Baron of Vizkopa
2 Golgari Charm
4 Hornet Nest
1 In Garruk's Wake
2 Mistcutter Hydra
4 Thoughtseize
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disregard last.
Is there something I'm missing here? I don't understand what they do together.
STANDARD:
RRRMono RedRRR
MODERN:
BGBeatdown ElvesBG
GWDevoted Druid ComboGW
EDH:
URGMaelstrom WandererURG
BBBSheoldred, Whispering OneBBB
BGNath of the Gilt-LeafBG
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That's a fair point, and makes a lot more sense than him talking about Ajani, Mentor of Heroes. I haven't had anyone to playtest against and I just put my list together a couple of days ago, but I'm going to be at GP Worcester/Boston Friday-Sunday, and will probably play a lot of standard Friday and possibly Sunday, between the main Modern event on Saturday.
STANDARD:
RRRMono RedRRR
MODERN:
BGBeatdown ElvesBG
GWDevoted Druid ComboGW
EDH:
URGMaelstrom WandererURG
BBBSheoldred, Whispering OneBBB
BGNath of the Gilt-LeafBG
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Oh, and I know this is "cute" but imagine that "engine" w/ the added help of The Chain Veil lol!
Too much Magic Christmasland right there.
I'll be playing plenty of this deck at the GP this weekend, so I'll make sure to report back as best I can!
STANDARD:
RRRMono RedRRR
MODERN:
BGBeatdown ElvesBG
GWDevoted Druid ComboGW
EDH:
URGMaelstrom WandererURG
BBBSheoldred, Whispering OneBBB
BGNath of the Gilt-LeafBG
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I could be wrong though, as elspeth is still a card.
Not saying that all of those cards would go into the top deck, but it's a pretty impressive list. What cards that are in that category aren't in those colors? I can't really think of any. Maybe Stormbreath Dragon? Blue is so far getting the shaft.
Also, we can probably bet on Abzhan Charm being extremely useful.