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Now correct if I'm wrong but what idiot at the wizards rd decided this card needed to be in standard again, "her-de-de lets give mono black devotion a way to play without swamps seems good".
P.s.commander players like myself will love the price drop for this card
im not really sure why this card is getting so hyped for mono black. you cant really play off color basics because you wont be drawing it every game, it legendary so probably 3 of at most. so really all it does is let your mutavaults tap for black.
im not really sure why this card is getting so hyped for mono black. you cant really play off color basics because you wont be drawing it every
That is absolutely huge. Mono black mulligans on double mytavault hands. How many games have you seen a player lose because he drew too many mutavaults and not able to cast anything?
This fixes black's mana base. game, it legendary so probably 3 of at most. so really all it does is let your mutavaults tap for black.
well im no mathematician but i crunched some number, probably missed a few small decaying value but it should be relatively close.
this is also assuming the player runs lifebane zombie over specter, which is the current choice. as such his never has to play a card with more then BB in the cmc
(probabilities based on 60 card deck, 26 lands, 22 produce black, 4 vaults)
chances of having 2 mutavaults in 7 card hand: 10%
chances of having 2 swamps in 7 card hand: 80%
chances of having 2 mutavaults and not 2 swamps: 2% (1/50 games on average)
chances of drawing urborg as a 3 of: 35%
chances of drawing two urborgs: 7%
chances of having 2 mutavaults, <2 swamps, and an urborg: .7% (1/142 games)
so essentially you are 10 times more likely to have a dead card because you draw multiple legendary lands then you are of having an unkeepable hand that is saved by mutavault.
like i said its decent but not broken and comes at a cost. id probably only run 2
This card was good back in the day. Never played as a 4some when I saw it. 2 is as many as I played. It's basically a mana fixer. Doesn't really make any sense to put the card in mono black either, nor does it currently allow any hate against mono black. Welcome in my book
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If that math is correct we can lower than current 10% mulligan chance from double mutavault. I don't care how small the reduction is it is an upgrade. Any tournament player is going to look for every little advantage. We often talk about 45/55 win ratios for deck match ups. If you can increase that by even 3% players are going to do it especially pros.
Also another thing not mentioned is the use with Nykthos. This will easily make black the best devotion deck because you can now play mutavault and nykthos in the same deck and not even mess with your mana.
This will be a 4 of in decks because of the new legend rule changes. Unlike the past the extras would be locked into your hand. Now you just tap it play a new one and keep going. It does stifle your mana progression a little but still gets your up 1 on the mana curve for that turn at least as if you had played any other land. This will only effect your expensive spells in your deck. If you have nykthos that won't be an issue anyways.
nykthos...? have you looked at mono black lately? the list doesn't need nykthos at all. you cards are more expensive and dont have the same number of pips as the other devotion decks. even mono blue rarely runs nykthos, the only deck its overly popular in is devotion lists with burning tree emissary.
and as i siad the extremely miniscule advantage still needs to get weighed against the stifling mana progression possible. tbh i think the best card spoiled for black devotions is lilianna, not urborg
As far as I know, they aren't reprinting cabal coffers alongside it, and we don't even have mutilate in standard, so I fail to see how this becomes broken.
Yes I know Monoblack Devotion is an aggravating dominating force right now, but this card doesn't really push it over the edge any more than it already is. Most likely it will be used in multicolor black decks. I'm just happy for the reprint.
edit: well i guess Liliana of the Dark Realms might finally get to have fun for 2-3 months but that's just the price we'll have to pay.
I saw someone mention Crypt Ghast is still in standard with it for a bit. I know I have a lot of fun in EDH when I Ghast into Debt to the deathless. That might work finally?
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I feel it might be for a combo at some point in the block with cards we haven't seen yet, but mainly to appease people who needed to get their hands on it for older formats. If you are running 4x Pain lands or mutavaults, it doesn't really hurt to run it anyway in place of a swamp or two.
It could work with Nissa and trait doctoring possibly. Making all your lands forests in addition to their other types. If you used her ability to turn a citadel into a creature, you could cipher trait doctoring onto it as well then ramp to your hearts content. Its a long shot but could work
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Now correct if I'm wrong but what idiot at the wizards rd decided this card needed to be in standard again, "her-de-de lets give mono black devotion a way to play without swamps seems good".
P.s.commander players like myself will love the price drop for this card
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this is also assuming the player runs lifebane zombie over specter, which is the current choice. as such his never has to play a card with more then BB in the cmc
(probabilities based on 60 card deck, 26 lands, 22 produce black, 4 vaults)
chances of having 2 mutavaults in 7 card hand: 10%
chances of having 2 swamps in 7 card hand: 80%
chances of having 2 mutavaults and not 2 swamps: 2% (1/50 games on average)
chances of drawing urborg as a 3 of: 35%
chances of drawing two urborgs: 7%
chances of having 2 mutavaults, <2 swamps, and an urborg: .7% (1/142 games)
so essentially you are 10 times more likely to have a dead card because you draw multiple legendary lands then you are of having an unkeepable hand that is saved by mutavault.
like i said its decent but not broken and comes at a cost. id probably only run 2
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Also another thing not mentioned is the use with Nykthos. This will easily make black the best devotion deck because you can now play mutavault and nykthos in the same deck and not even mess with your mana.
This will be a 4 of in decks because of the new legend rule changes. Unlike the past the extras would be locked into your hand. Now you just tap it play a new one and keep going. It does stifle your mana progression a little but still gets your up 1 on the mana curve for that turn at least as if you had played any other land. This will only effect your expensive spells in your deck. If you have nykthos that won't be an issue anyways.
and as i siad the extremely miniscule advantage still needs to get weighed against the stifling mana progression possible. tbh i think the best card spoiled for black devotions is lilianna, not urborg
Yes I know Monoblack Devotion is an aggravating dominating force right now, but this card doesn't really push it over the edge any more than it already is. Most likely it will be used in multicolor black decks. I'm just happy for the reprint.
edit: well i guess Liliana of the Dark Realms might finally get to have fun for 2-3 months but that's just the price we'll have to pay.
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