The two creatures allow us to ramp into Dictate and functionally tap for two mana once it's on the field. Hidden Strings and Urban operate amazingly well with Epic Experiment, essentially generating four and two free mana respectively if revealed.
Here's how I imagine this card to play out in standard:
Guy 1: EOT, Dictate of Karametra.
Guy 2: Okay. Sphinx's Revelation for 20
Okay? Cool. You tapped out with a hand full of cards you'll never get to use because my combo is about to end the game.
Rev for 20 meant you had at least 12 lands on board. So I have 24-26 mana to work with, assuming it is the only card I have on board. That's more than enough to end the game.
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"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Here's how I imagine this card to play out in standard:
Guy 1: EOT, Dictate of Karametra.
Guy 2: Okay. Sphinx's Revelation for 20
Okay? Cool. You tapped out with a hand full of cards you'll never get to use because my combo is about to end the game.
Rev for 20 meant you had at least 12 lands on board. So I have 24-26 mana to work with, assuming it is the only card I have on board. That's more than enough to end the game.
It's called exaggeration.
I would expect someone trying to combo out with EpEx to run few or no counters since they have terrible synergy. So even if it were, say six lands each, the rev player could tap out 8 to draw 5, and have enough for a counter up.
I don't understand how this brings combo back to standard. If your turn 5 play is dictate of Karametra you're probably dying already.
You ramp into it. It can easily be played on turn 4.
What I am currently working on is making a deck with Colossus of Akros and Worldspine Wurm as the win conditions. It would also be splashing black for Read the Bones and Thoughtseize (and possibly Abrupt Decay).
So you're idea of combo is "wait until turn 5, start playing magic" ?
It seems that neither of you played Heartbeat Combo back in Kamigawa/Ravnica. Basically, all it did was ramp to 5 lands and then drop Heartbeat of Spring and Early Harvest. After some more shenanigans, you would beat the opponent's face in via a fatal Maga, Traitor to Mortals or Invoke the Firemind. Against aggro decks, it would bring in creature removal like Pyroclasm and Savage Twister. It's a combo deck in the same sense that Scapeshift is a combo deck in Modern.
This might be a little too early to discuss, but at Pax they spoiled this card from M15.
Genesis Hydra XGG
Creature-Plant Hydra
When you cast Genesis Hydra, reveal the top X cards of your library. You may put a nonland permanent card with converted mana cost x or less from among them onto the battlefield. Then shuffle the rest into your library.
Genesis Hydra enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
0/0
It is easy for this deck to get to 10-12 mana after you play this. That is enough to cast Genesis Hydra for X=8, which can get Colossus of Akros. I have a feeling that this card will still be playable after Return to Ravnica rotates.
So you're idea of combo is "wait until turn 5, start playing magic" ?
It seems that neither of you played Heartbeat Combo back in Kamigawa/Ravnica. Basically, all it did was ramp to 5 lands and then drop Heartbeat of Spring and Early Harvest. After some more shenanigans, you would beat the opponent's face in via a fatal Maga, Traitor to Mortals or Invoke the Firemind. Against aggro decks, it would bring in creature removal like Pyroclasm and Savage Twister. It's a combo deck in the same sense that Scapeshift is a combo deck in Modern.
Oh, I should have quoted the totally ignorant response by rambojesus, which is what I was responding to. My response wasn't targeted at the thread/card, which I'm totally into. I played wake back in the madness days
Until M15, comes around and we get Genesis Hydra, this deck needs an alternative way of cheating out creatures. Garruk, Caller of Beasts does that very well. I preobably should fit in some other ramp though (Standard really needs a Rampant Growth, Cultivate, Harrow, or Farseek reprint).
I'm definitely not rooting against it. I don't mind combo decks that aren't extremely degenerate. Something like this might shake the meta up, in a good way.
I'm definitely not rooting against it. I don't mind combo decks that aren't extremely degenerate. Something like this might shake the meta up, in a good way.
Are you ready to perform an Epic Experiment? I know I am.
Please discuss the most awesome card in Standard for the next year and a half.
EDIT: We've abandoned the Epic plan and are now just trying to kill people with Debt to the Deathless.
Check out my expected lands table at:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Airj6A6lYAz_dG05T2JETnVTak1xQ0tqOHNSdEJLWVE&hl=en_US#gid=0
Some kind of enchantress deck using constellation + draw a card to just go all the way through their deck like we are playing legacy enchantress.
there are a bunch of good ideas... but will the good ideas just fall to thoughtsieze?
I will think up some ideas once the whole set is spoiled.
oh oh there is still immortal servitude floating around.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Here's how I imagine this card to play out in standard:
Guy 1: EOT, Dictate of Karametra.
Guy 2: Okay. Sphinx's Revelation for 20
The two creatures allow us to ramp into Dictate and functionally tap for two mana once it's on the field. Hidden Strings and Urban operate amazingly well with Epic Experiment, essentially generating four and two free mana respectively if revealed.
Check out my expected lands table at:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Airj6A6lYAz_dG05T2JETnVTak1xQ0tqOHNSdEJLWVE&hl=en_US#gid=0
Okay? Cool. You tapped out with a hand full of cards you'll never get to use because my combo is about to end the game.
Rev for 20 meant you had at least 12 lands on board. So I have 24-26 mana to work with, assuming it is the only card I have on board. That's more than enough to end the game.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
It's called exaggeration.
I would expect someone trying to combo out with EpEx to run few or no counters since they have terrible synergy. So even if it were, say six lands each, the rev player could tap out 8 to draw 5, and have enough for a counter up.
Check out my expected lands table at:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Airj6A6lYAz_dG05T2JETnVTak1xQ0tqOHNSdEJLWVE&hl=en_US#gid=0
You ramp into it. It can easily be played on turn 4.
What I am currently working on is making a deck with Colossus of Akros and Worldspine Wurm as the win conditions. It would also be splashing black for Read the Bones and Thoughtseize (and possibly Abrupt Decay).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
It seems that neither of you played Heartbeat Combo back in Kamigawa/Ravnica. Basically, all it did was ramp to 5 lands and then drop Heartbeat of Spring and Early Harvest. After some more shenanigans, you would beat the opponent's face in via a fatal Maga, Traitor to Mortals or Invoke the Firemind. Against aggro decks, it would bring in creature removal like Pyroclasm and Savage Twister. It's a combo deck in the same sense that Scapeshift is a combo deck in Modern.
Check out my expected lands table at:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Airj6A6lYAz_dG05T2JETnVTak1xQ0tqOHNSdEJLWVE&hl=en_US#gid=0
Genesis Hydra XGG
Creature-Plant Hydra
When you cast Genesis Hydra, reveal the top X cards of your library. You may put a nonland permanent card with converted mana cost x or less from among them onto the battlefield. Then shuffle the rest into your library.
Genesis Hydra enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
0/0
It is easy for this deck to get to 10-12 mana after you play this. That is enough to cast Genesis Hydra for X=8, which can get Colossus of Akros. I have a feeling that this card will still be playable after Return to Ravnica rotates.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Oh, I should have quoted the totally ignorant response by rambojesus, which is what I was responding to. My response wasn't targeted at the thread/card, which I'm totally into. I played wake back in the madness days
http://www.mtgvault.com/soulofmirrodin/decks/702449/
Until M15, comes around and we get Genesis Hydra, this deck needs an alternative way of cheating out creatures. Garruk, Caller of Beasts does that very well. I preobably should fit in some other ramp though (Standard really needs a Rampant Growth, Cultivate, Harrow, or Farseek reprint).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Check out my expected lands table at:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Airj6A6lYAz_dG05T2JETnVTak1xQ0tqOHNSdEJLWVE&hl=en_US#gid=0
Do you have a completed list that isn't running creatures?
Edit: My current creature-based list is here
http://www.mtgvault.com/soulofmirrodin/decks/702449/
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
The problem is that that will only hit your opponent for 8 life.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Things will get easier for it after rotation.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I'm definitely not rooting against it. I don't mind combo decks that aren't extremely degenerate. Something like this might shake the meta up, in a good way.
Agreed.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.