kiora on the other hand has been really underwhelming.
Can you please elaborate? Reason being I'm tempted to play 4 colour mainly for her as she is the next jace replacement for draw engine in my books and I always rated her highly whenever I came up against her. Is there a lot of lightning strikes going around or is the fog not working due to opposition playing a lot wider? I figured her ult would be near impossible to stop if you could untap with her and hold up countermagic and let her fog in combination with removal spells.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
I encourage people to not listen to you on Kiora, and I also highly encourage people to be on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon, and here is why:
I am sorry, but there is a reason people are adopting these changes and seeing that Kiora is less and less effective and Sphinx is more and more effective and it is that 69.6%
As for Spouts, I am already running 3 and I found in initial format prep that 4 was just far too many and I dislike the idea of relying on 3 Prognostic Sphinx to get the job done in a timely manner.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
I encourage people to not listen to you on Kiora, and I also highly encourage people to be on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon, and here is why:
I am sorry, but there is a reason people are adopting these changes and seeing that Kiora is less and less effective and Sphinx is more and more effective and it is that 69.6%
As for Spouts, I am already running 3 and I found in initial format prep that 4 was just far too many and I dislike the idea of relying on 3 Prognostic Sphinx to get the job done in a timely manner.
Right on! This is the awesome thing about current Magic. There's no "best possible list" like there was in the days of CawBlade or ZooGoyf. I can run 4 Kiora and still crush face, and you can run Prog Sphinx and do the same.
Anyone out there using Murderous Cut still? I like it but I like Dig Through Time more, and without a way to self-mill it seems subpar to be running too many delve spells.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
Kiora forces your opponent to make bad attacks because if they don't, they're dead. And with our walls they have to go wider and wider to hit her. I don't understand folks cutting her from their lists because of a handful of bad experiences.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
I encourage people to not listen to you on Kiora, and I also highly encourage people to be on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon, and here is why:
I am sorry, but there is a reason people are adopting these changes and seeing that Kiora is less and less effective and Sphinx is more and more effective and it is that 69.6%
As for Spouts, I am already running 3 and I found in initial format prep that 4 was just far too many and I dislike the idea of relying on 3 Prognostic Sphinx to get the job done in a timely manner.
Right on! This is the awesome thing about current Magic. There's no "best possible list" like there was in the days of CawBlade or ZooGoyf. I can run 4 Kiora and still crush face, and you can run Prog Sphinx and do the same.
Anyone out there using Murderous Cut still? I like it but I like Dig Through Time more, and without a way to self-mill it seems subpar to be running too many delve spells.
The thing is, there actually are best list and BIS slots in a deck if you are playing at competitive levels. I have been telling you this time and time again. You simply dismissing that and continuing to share your ideas on a deck that outside of true competitive environments, is not only doing a disservice, but also toxic to people actually wanting to understand the deck on a deeper level.
I am glad you can crush face at your FNM with 4 Kiora, I really am.
However there are a great deal of people here who are in more competitive settings where the numbers I just posted, are far more important for streamlining a list to play at higher levels of play.
The shop last night just had someone combo out on them all night with Thassa's Ire at the FNM, and I got to hear about how he crushed 5 rounds of magic with whatever he was doing... That doesn't make the deck good for competitive environments.
Also, just to make sure you know where I am coming from when I say "Competitive" I am talking about Competitive REL events and not just a Casual REL where competitive players play.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
I encourage people to not listen to you on Kiora, and I also highly encourage people to be on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon, and here is why:
I am sorry, but there is a reason people are adopting these changes and seeing that Kiora is less and less effective and Sphinx is more and more effective and it is that 69.6%
As for Spouts, I am already running 3 and I found in initial format prep that 4 was just far too many and I dislike the idea of relying on 3 Prognostic Sphinx to get the job done in a timely manner.
Right on! This is the awesome thing about current Magic. There's no "best possible list" like there was in the days of CawBlade or ZooGoyf. I can run 4 Kiora and still crush face, and you can run Prog Sphinx and do the same.
Anyone out there using Murderous Cut still? I like it but I like Dig Through Time more, and without a way to self-mill it seems subpar to be running too many delve spells.
The thing is, there actually are best list and BIS slots in a deck if you are playing at competitive levels. I have been telling you this time and time again. You simply dismissing that and continuing to share your ideas on a deck that outside of true competitive environments, is not only doing a disservice, but also toxic to people actually wanting to understand the deck on a deeper level.
I am glad you can crush face at your FNM with 4 Kiora, I really am.
However there are a great deal of people here who are in more competitive settings where the numbers I just posted, are far more important for streamlining a list to play at higher levels of play.
The shop last night just had someone combo out on them all night with Thassa's Ire at the FNM, and I got to hear about how he crushed 5 rounds of magic with whatever he was doing... That doesn't make the deck good for competitive environments.
Also, just to make sure you know where I am coming from when I say "Competitive" I am talking about Competitive REL events and not just a Casual REL where competitive players play.
You're definitely correct in saying that there are folks on this thread who play competitive REL and others who don't.
You actually have no idea what tournaments I do and don't attend. I'd like to make a point of that. But you can keep getting mad about it if you like.
You'll notice that the lists above are all pretty different, yet each has placed well at some kind of qualifier event where there is Competitive REL. Your statements about best deck or best slots are simply stubborn and misguided because you have an inflated sense of personal importance. I would venture to guess that you are a very insecure person in real life. I'm sorry.
Folks win tournaments all the time with different lists because there is simply no single configuration that is best in every single tournament. That's all. And it's not changing. I won't be responding to your comments further. I want to discuss this deck.
Moving on:
Anyone feel like Villainous Wealth or Phenax out the sideboard are superb auxiliary wincons? I do, and I'll be testing them at my next tournament!
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
You bring up a valid point that she's pretty awful against green. Our whole deck seems like it is, sometimes. They vomit their hands out and win while we're staring at a grip full of expensive tempo plays.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
I encourage people to not listen to you on Kiora, and I also highly encourage people to be on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon, and here is why:
I am sorry, but there is a reason people are adopting these changes and seeing that Kiora is less and less effective and Sphinx is more and more effective and it is that 69.6%
As for Spouts, I am already running 3 and I found in initial format prep that 4 was just far too many and I dislike the idea of relying on 3 Prognostic Sphinx to get the job done in a timely manner.
Right on! This is the awesome thing about current Magic. There's no "best possible list" like there was in the days of CawBlade or ZooGoyf. I can run 4 Kiora and still crush face, and you can run Prog Sphinx and do the same.
Anyone out there using Murderous Cut still? I like it but I like Dig Through Time more, and without a way to self-mill it seems subpar to be running too many delve spells.
The thing is, there actually are best list and BIS slots in a deck if you are playing at competitive levels. I have been telling you this time and time again. You simply dismissing that and continuing to share your ideas on a deck that outside of true competitive environments, is not only doing a disservice, but also toxic to people actually wanting to understand the deck on a deeper level.
I am glad you can crush face at your FNM with 4 Kiora, I really am.
However there are a great deal of people here who are in more competitive settings where the numbers I just posted, are far more important for streamlining a list to play at higher levels of play.
The shop last night just had someone combo out on them all night with Thassa's Ire at the FNM, and I got to hear about how he crushed 5 rounds of magic with whatever he was doing... That doesn't make the deck good for competitive environments.
Also, just to make sure you know where I am coming from when I say "Competitive" I am talking about Competitive REL events and not just a Casual REL where competitive players play.
You're definitely correct in saying that there are folks on this thread who play competitive REL and others who don't.
You actually have no idea what tournaments I do and don't attend. I'd like to make a point of that. But you can keep getting mad about it if you like.
You'll notice that the lists above are all pretty different, yet each has placed well at some kind of qualifier event where there is Competitive REL. Your statements about best deck or best slots are simply stubborn and misguided because you have an inflated sense of personal importance. I would venture to guess that you are a very insecure person in real life. I'm sorry.
Folks win tournaments all the time with different lists because there is simply no single configuration that is best in every single tournament. That's all. And it's not changing. I won't be responding to your comments further. I want to discuss this deck.
Moving on:
Anyone feel like Villainous Wealth or Phenax out the sideboard are superb auxiliary wincons? I do, and I'll be testing them at my next tournament!
I do, because you stated what events you play in the other thread and that you were only playing FNM because you were not interested in the format enough to play at higher levels of play...
I encourage people to not listen to you on Kiora, and I also highly encourage people to be on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon, and here is why:
I am sorry, but there is a reason people are adopting these changes and seeing that Kiora is less and less effective and Sphinx is more and more effective and it is that 69.6%
As for Spouts, I am already running 3 and I found in initial format prep that 4 was just far too many and I dislike the idea of relying on 3 Prognostic Sphinx to get the job done in a timely manner.
Right on! This is the awesome thing about current Magic. There's no "best possible list" like there was in the days of CawBlade or ZooGoyf. I can run 4 Kiora and still crush face, and you can run Prog Sphinx and do the same.
Anyone out there using Murderous Cut still? I like it but I like Dig Through Time more, and without a way to self-mill it seems subpar to be running too many delve spells.
The thing is, there actually are best list and BIS slots in a deck if you are playing at competitive levels. I have been telling you this time and time again. You simply dismissing that and continuing to share your ideas on a deck that outside of true competitive environments, is not only doing a disservice, but also toxic to people actually wanting to understand the deck on a deeper level.
I am glad you can crush face at your FNM with 4 Kiora, I really am.
However there are a great deal of people here who are in more competitive settings where the numbers I just posted, are far more important for streamlining a list to play at higher levels of play.
The shop last night just had someone combo out on them all night with Thassa's Ire at the FNM, and I got to hear about how he crushed 5 rounds of magic with whatever he was doing... That doesn't make the deck good for competitive environments.
Also, just to make sure you know where I am coming from when I say "Competitive" I am talking about Competitive REL events and not just a Casual REL where competitive players play.
You're definitely correct in saying that there are folks on this thread who play competitive REL and others who don't.
You actually have no idea what tournaments I do and don't attend. I'd like to make a point of that. But you can keep getting mad about it if you like.
You'll notice that the lists above are all pretty different, yet each has placed well at some kind of qualifier event where there is Competitive REL. Your statements about best deck or best slots are simply stubborn and misguided because you have an inflated sense of personal importance. I would venture to guess that you are a very insecure person in real life. I'm sorry.
Folks win tournaments all the time with different lists because there is simply no single configuration that is best in every single tournament. That's all. And it's not changing. I won't be responding to your comments further. I want to discuss this deck.
Moving on:
Anyone feel like Villainous Wealth or Phenax out the sideboard are superb auxiliary wincons? I do, and I'll be testing them at my next tournament!
Can we start putting HUGE quotes in spoiler tabs like I have done. Especially when you're just *****ing and whining at each other. It's not fun to read, or to scroll through.
With regards to Villainous Wealth and Phenax, God of Deception, I don't think either of those are worth investing in. I'd much rather be doing something more consistent and more reliable. I was super excited when Villainous Wealth was spoiled, and I think it can/could be a very fun, and very powerful, card. I just think it would be bad in too many match ups, and I don't think we could reliably cast it for enough to make it excel in the match ups in which you would want it.
I think 3 Prognostic Sphinx and 2 Nissa, Worldwaker is fine. Maybe 1 Garruk, Apex Predator. I don't really forsee any situations in which none of those cards will be able to win you game, and therefore an alternate wincon in the side isn't really needed. If you can give me an opponent against which Sphinx, Nissa, and Garruk are all bad, then I could get behind a SB finisher, but I'm not sure that match up exists.
If dedicated control decks pop up at all, Phenax might be pretty good. He also might be fine against decks that durdle around slowly claiming board state (like ours).
I think you're right about Villainous Wealth. I do like it though and a resolved one for even four can be pretty devastating against certain decks. Against the Jeskai tempo deck, for example, you'll often get a bunch of burn, which you can aim at their mobs or them directly. Against the Temur lists you might get walkers or Polukranos. It's worth testing out I think. It certainly interests me more than say, Empty the Pits.
1. Ashiok is great. I had T3 Ashiok steal a sphinx in the mirror to drop it next turn and ride to victory. Terrific against monsters, I played Polukranos and Stormbreath dragon
2. I've had issues with not being able to protect Kiora, I'll still use her but off to a rough start
3. Villainous wealth is too inconsistent IMO... not MD material ever
4. LOVE PROGNOSTIC SPHINX. I am on the bandwagon and wanting to make room for #3. Terrific blocker and so hard to kill.
5. 2 Dig through Time is good and I think 3 is too much.
6. I've been running Murderous Cut as a 1x. It's a great card though and possibly worth a 2x for 4 total delve spells.
7. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS DECK: winning is slow. So slow. I dropped a game to mono black aggro after establishing control because I couldn't stop the trickle of life-loss in time.
It's also a horrible liability against Jeskai Tempo. I don't even know what to do against that deck. Winning takes too long when they're grabbing Jeskai charms and Stokes
Amendment to this: Nissa is the only way i've been able to close a game fast
1. Ashiok is great. I had T3 Ashiok steal a sphinx in the mirror to drop it next turn and ride to victory. Terrific against monsters, I played Polukranos and Stormbreath dragon
2. I've had issues with not being able to protect Kiora, I'll still use her but off to a rough start
3. Villainous wealth is too inconsistent IMO... not MD material ever
4. LOVE PROGNOSTIC SPHINX. I am on the bandwagon and wanting to make room for #3. Terrific blocker and so hard to kill.
5. 2 Dig through Time is good and I think 3 is too much.
6. I've been running Murderous Cut as a 1x. It's a great card though and possibly worth a 2x for 4 total delve spells.
7. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS DECK: winning is slow. So slow. I dropped a game to mono black aggro after establishing control because I couldn't stop the trickle of life-loss in time.
It's also a horrible liability against Jeskai Tempo. I don't even know what to do against that deck. Winning takes too long when they're grabbing Jeskai charms and Stokes
Amendment to this: Nissa is the only way i've been able to close a game fast
I could be going too deep with this, but Villainous Wealth actually seems decent against Jeskai. I had to re-read the card the other day, and was reminded that it steals spells, as well as creatures. I can see a situation where you've stabilize against the Jeskai deck, manage to accumulate 7-9 sources of mana (not too hard with Caryatids I s'pose), and then drop a Villainous Wealth to reveal a bunch of burn spells. It's still not a speedy win, but it does seem a lot quicker than slowly grinding them out of the game with Sphinx/Ashiok/removal.
1. Ashiok is great. I had T3 Ashiok steal a sphinx in the mirror to drop it next turn and ride to victory. Terrific against monsters, I played Polukranos and Stormbreath dragon
2. I've had issues with not being able to protect Kiora, I'll still use her but off to a rough start
3. Villainous wealth is too inconsistent IMO... not MD material ever
4. LOVE PROGNOSTIC SPHINX. I am on the bandwagon and wanting to make room for #3. Terrific blocker and so hard to kill.
5. 2 Dig through Time is good and I think 3 is too much.
6. I've been running Murderous Cut as a 1x. It's a great card though and possibly worth a 2x for 4 total delve spells.
7. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS DECK: winning is slow. So slow. I dropped a game to mono black aggro after establishing control because I couldn't stop the trickle of life-loss in time.
It's also a horrible liability against Jeskai Tempo. I don't even know what to do against that deck. Winning takes too long when they're grabbing Jeskai charms and Stokes
Amendment to this: Nissa is the only way i've been able to close a game fast
I could be going too deep with this, but Villainous Wealth actually seems decent against Jeskai. I had to re-read the card the other day, and was reminded that it steals spells, as well as creatures. I can see a situation where you've stabilize against the Jeskai deck, manage to accumulate 7-9 sources of mana (not too hard with Caryatids I s'pose), and then drop a Villainous Wealth to reveal a bunch of burn spells. It's still not a speedy win, but it does seem a lot quicker than slowly grinding them out of the game with Sphinx/Ashiok/removal.
Exactly.
Also, for folks that are having a hard time closing out games with Sphinx etc., Nissa is the answer to that. You can also use Garruk if you dig him.
4 delve spells is just on the fence of "too many" and a liability IMO.
I would stick with 3 or less. Dig Through Time is simply too powerful to cut. Which puts Murderous Cut in an awkward spot.
The thing is, there actually are best list and BIS slots in a deck if you are playing at competitive levels. I have been telling you this time and time again. You simply dismissing that and continuing to share your ideas on a deck that outside of true competitive environments, is not only doing a disservice, but also toxic to people actually wanting to understand the deck on a deeper level.
I am glad you can crush face at your FNM with 4 Kiora, I really am.
However there are a great deal of people here who are in more competitive settings where the numbers I just posted, are far more important for streamlining a list to play at higher levels of play.
The shop last night just had someone combo out on them all night with Thassa's Ire at the FNM, and I got to hear about how he crushed 5 rounds of magic with whatever he was doing... That doesn't make the deck good for competitive environments.
Also, just to make sure you know where I am coming from when I say "Competitive" I am talking about Competitive REL events and not just a Casual REL where competitive players play.
You're definitely correct in saying that there are folks on this thread who play competitive REL and others who don't.
You actually have no idea what tournaments I do and don't attend. I'd like to make a point of that. But you can keep getting mad about it if you like.
You'll notice that the lists above are all pretty different, yet each has placed well at some kind of qualifier event where there is Competitive REL. Your statements about best deck or best slots are simply stubborn and misguided because you have an inflated sense of personal importance. I would venture to guess that you are a very insecure person in real life. I'm sorry.
Folks win tournaments all the time with different lists because there is simply no single configuration that is best in every single tournament. That's all. And it's not changing. I won't be responding to your comments further. I want to discuss this deck.
Moving on:
Anyone feel like Villainous Wealth or Phenax out the sideboard are superb auxiliary wincons? I do, and I'll be testing them at my next tournament!
Can we start putting HUGE quotes in spoiler tabs like I have done. Especially when you're just *****ing and whining at each other. It's not fun to read, or to scroll through.
With regards to Villainous Wealth and Phenax, God of Deception, I don't think either of those are worth investing in. I'd much rather be doing something more consistent and more reliable. I was super excited when Villainous Wealth was spoiled, and I think it can/could be a very fun, and very powerful, card. I just think it would be bad in too many match ups, and I don't think we could reliably cast it for enough to make it excel in the match ups in which you would want it.
I think 3 Prognostic Sphinx and 2 Nissa, Worldwaker is fine. Maybe 1 Garruk, Apex Predator. I don't really forsee any situations in which none of those cards will be able to win you game, and therefore an alternate wincon in the side isn't really needed. If you can give me an opponent against which Sphinx, Nissa, and Garruk are all bad, then I could get behind a SB finisher, but I'm not sure that match up exists.
If dedicated control decks pop up at all, Phenax might be pretty good. He also might be fine against decks that durdle around slowly claiming board state (like ours).
I think you're right about Villainous Wealth. I do like it though and a resolved one for even four can be pretty devastating against certain decks. Against the Jeskai tempo deck, for example, you'll often get a bunch of burn, which you can aim at their mobs or them directly. Against the Temur lists you might get walkers or Polukranos. It's worth testing out I think. It certainly interests me more than say, Empty the Pits.
Oh yeah, I have zero interest in empty the pits. We've already established that dig through time is bonkers, and I don't think it's viable to run both.
You actually bring up a really interesting point with regards to Jeskai decks though. I've found that match up really tough in testing, and it just so happens that that's probably Villainous Wealth's best match up. Sphinx still matches up well against Mantis Rider, but I could maybe see Villainous Wealth as a 1 or 2 of in the side if these Jeskai burn-ish decks remain popular.
Exactly. I'd say one in the board is correct in any blind meta as you will always run into some kind of burn strategy. The Jeskai decks run a load of very powerful spells (including Dig Through Time and Banishing Light) that will allow you to seriously affect the board. They don't have a whole lot of mobs—most lists run 12-14 tops. And if you get one of their walkers, well, Merry Christmas!
I feel like it's possible to use mainboard too if you run a little ramp. I used 2x Embodiment of Spring in my build to block and to ramp when the time comes. Allows me to play Garruk early too and probably P Sphinx if I decide to run him.
In think its certainly an interesting idea, and one that I'd like to try. Something definitely needs to be done about that match up.
I still don't know how you're not on Prognostic Sphinx though. How was Embodiment of Spring? I think that card is probably pretty awful but I haven't played it with it yet. Not that I plan to...
Embodiment is fine. Think of it as a another fetchland. Here's what I'll probably use this coming Wednesday:
If your meta has a lot of Constellation decks running around, Back to Nature is fairly a silver bullet. We can probably afford to run two in the sideboard as you will be able to find them with Dig Through Time.
Hello, I have a few questions. I haven't been involved in standard since M15 but this deck is my choice to delve into it, so I have no idea what the meta currently is. I have heard a lot about the Jeskai matchup and I am curious to know what it is that this deck can't respond to. Can you please inform me as I have a tournament tomorrow and I have no idea what I'm going up against.
speaking of which, this is the deck that I will submit:
Ok, so just to clarify, the initial idea was to have 2 more polluted deltas and 1 more dig through time. Unfortunately I could not manage to get a hold of them in time. I might be able to borrow one dig in time for tomorrow, in which case I will swap out a negate. The maybeboard lists cards that I have right now, which I think could prove useful, but I don't have the space for them. What do you guys think, given the circumstances?
Looks fine to me. As for the Jeskai matchup that you're worried about, they're a burn-heavy deck with a few efficient creatures. Prevent them from doing the following:
- Entering a combat step with Goblin Rabblemaster
- Ultimating Sarkhan
Otherwise just kill their guys and try to stay out of burn range.
So I won tcgplayer standard states today with bug control. I went 4-0-1 in swiss and top 8 scooped to me. I will post a decklist and breakdown when I am not on my phone. I get that 350 dollar travel voucher for the max point championships. Woot!
Can you please elaborate? Reason being I'm tempted to play 4 colour mainly for her as she is the next jace replacement for draw engine in my books and I always rated her highly whenever I came up against her. Is there a lot of lightning strikes going around or is the fog not working due to opposition playing a lot wider? I figured her ult would be near impossible to stop if you could untap with her and hold up countermagic and let her fog in combination with removal spells.
I hate to break this to you, but it is not a handful of bad experiences.
Green midrange decks stomp the hell out of Kiora, you get to -1 and then maybe +1. Seems all fine and dandy until you realize that playing the -1 again was probably the better choice in the long run. Every card you are able to draw, matters - because you have no way to play from behind.
This is why this deck's history has been plagued by sketchy as hell matches against green based midrange decks. Kiora was good in a world where Desecration Demon and Blood Baron of Vizkopa were cards that would often times dominated an otherwise empty board. Those days are gone.Green based creature strategies are far too efficient with their mana over the course of the game to care about one attack that didn't have to be directed at your face.
That being said, I am not sure I would cut all copies of her, there are situations where you find yourself drawing well enough to create a board state where she can lock it down, but they are few and far between. I often times wonder if I would rather just play Divination or something along those lines, perhaps even Silence the Believers where I will have more permanent removal for 4 mana, that can scale into the later game.
Anyways, I will be back today and working on the Primer a bit before my IQ tomorrow. BUG has been going well for two of us in our group that are on it and I am excited to start seeing results from the weekend so I can tune it a bit more as I feel there is still plenty of room for it to grow.
So again, why not Aetherspouts? It seems better now than it ever did with M14 and RTR around.
I'll stick with four Kiora for now and I encourage others to do the same—or if not four, then three. She certainly wins more matches for me than any other card in my list. I'm not on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon.
Villainous Wealth seems like an awesome finisher. We can generally power out one of them for 6 or 7 around turn 7. Steal the whole red deck? Don't mind if I do.
I encourage people to not listen to you on Kiora, and I also highly encourage people to be on the Prognostic Sphinx bandwagon, and here is why:
I am sorry, but there is a reason people are adopting these changes and seeing that Kiora is less and less effective and Sphinx is more and more effective and it is that 69.6%
As for Spouts, I am already running 3 and I found in initial format prep that 4 was just far too many and I dislike the idea of relying on 3 Prognostic Sphinx to get the job done in a timely manner.
Anyone out there using Murderous Cut still? I like it but I like Dig Through Time more, and without a way to self-mill it seems subpar to be running too many delve spells.
1 Clever Impersonator
3 Prognostic Sphinx
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
Planeswalkers (8)
3 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1 Garruk, Apex Predator
2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
2 Nissa, WorldWaker
Lands (25)
4 Forest
2 Island
4 Swamp
2 Opulent Palace
4 Polluted Delta
4 Temple of Malady
4 Temple of Mystery
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Dissolve
3 Hero's Downfall
1 Murderous Cut
1 Silence the Believers
3 Sultai Charm
4 Thoughtseize
3 Nylea's Disciple
2 Reaper of the Wilds
2 Negate
2 Plummet
1 Phenax, God of Deception
1 Liliana Vess
2 Despise
2 Drown in Sorrow
I especially like the mana base, as well as the Phenax in the sideboard for an alternate wincon.
EDIT: Here's another one:
2 Prognostic Sphinx
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
Planeswalkers (6)
2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1 Garruk, Apex Predator
2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
1 Nissa, Worldwaker
Lands (25)
4 Forest
2 Island
3 Swamp
3 Opulent Palace
4 Polluted Delta
4 Temple of Malady
4 Temple of Mystery
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Bile Blight
2 Dig Through Time
4 Hero's Downfall
3 Sultai Charm
2 Sign in Blood
4 Thoughtseize
3 Nylea's Disciple
2 Dissolve
2 Negate
2 Pharika's Cure
1 Liliana Vess
1 Nissa, WorldWaker
4 Drown in Sorrow
And another different but similar list which wins with Villainous Wealth
4 Embodiment of Spring
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
Planeswalkers (3)
3 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Lands (23)
3 Forest
2 Island
2 Swamp
3 Llanowar Wastes
4 Opulent Palace
4 Polluted Delta
4 Yavimaya Coast
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Dictate of Karametra
3 Aetherspouts
2 Dig Through Time
2 Sultai Charm
4 In Garruk's Wake
4 Read the Bones
3 Villainous Wealth
2 Hornet Queen
3 Mistcutter Hydra
2 Sultai Ascendancy
1 Empty the Pits
1 Murderous Cut
2 Silence the Believers
1 Sultai Charm
2 Drown in Sorrow
1 Stain the Mind
The thing is, there actually are best list and BIS slots in a deck if you are playing at competitive levels. I have been telling you this time and time again. You simply dismissing that and continuing to share your ideas on a deck that outside of true competitive environments, is not only doing a disservice, but also toxic to people actually wanting to understand the deck on a deeper level.
I am glad you can crush face at your FNM with 4 Kiora, I really am.
However there are a great deal of people here who are in more competitive settings where the numbers I just posted, are far more important for streamlining a list to play at higher levels of play.
The shop last night just had someone combo out on them all night with Thassa's Ire at the FNM, and I got to hear about how he crushed 5 rounds of magic with whatever he was doing... That doesn't make the deck good for competitive environments.
Also, just to make sure you know where I am coming from when I say "Competitive" I am talking about Competitive REL events and not just a Casual REL where competitive players play.
You actually have no idea what tournaments I do and don't attend. I'd like to make a point of that. But you can keep getting mad about it if you like.
You'll notice that the lists above are all pretty different, yet each has placed well at some kind of qualifier event where there is Competitive REL. Your statements about best deck or best slots are simply stubborn and misguided because you have an inflated sense of personal importance. I would venture to guess that you are a very insecure person in real life. I'm sorry.
Folks win tournaments all the time with different lists because there is simply no single configuration that is best in every single tournament. That's all. And it's not changing. I won't be responding to your comments further. I want to discuss this deck.
Moving on:
Anyone feel like Villainous Wealth or Phenax out the sideboard are superb auxiliary wincons? I do, and I'll be testing them at my next tournament!
I do, because you stated what events you play in the other thread and that you were only playing FNM because you were not interested in the format enough to play at higher levels of play...
I think you're right about Villainous Wealth. I do like it though and a resolved one for even four can be pretty devastating against certain decks. Against the Jeskai tempo deck, for example, you'll often get a bunch of burn, which you can aim at their mobs or them directly. Against the Temur lists you might get walkers or Polukranos. It's worth testing out I think. It certainly interests me more than say, Empty the Pits.
1. Ashiok is great. I had T3 Ashiok steal a sphinx in the mirror to drop it next turn and ride to victory. Terrific against monsters, I played Polukranos and Stormbreath dragon
2. I've had issues with not being able to protect Kiora, I'll still use her but off to a rough start
3. Villainous wealth is too inconsistent IMO... not MD material ever
4. LOVE PROGNOSTIC SPHINX. I am on the bandwagon and wanting to make room for #3. Terrific blocker and so hard to kill.
5. 2 Dig through Time is good and I think 3 is too much.
6. I've been running Murderous Cut as a 1x. It's a great card though and possibly worth a 2x for 4 total delve spells.
7. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS DECK: winning is slow. So slow. I dropped a game to mono black aggro after establishing control because I couldn't stop the trickle of life-loss in time.
It's also a horrible liability against Jeskai Tempo. I don't even know what to do against that deck. Winning takes too long when they're grabbing Jeskai charms and Stokes
Amendment to this: Nissa is the only way i've been able to close a game fast
I could be going too deep with this, but Villainous Wealth actually seems decent against Jeskai. I had to re-read the card the other day, and was reminded that it steals spells, as well as creatures. I can see a situation where you've stabilize against the Jeskai deck, manage to accumulate 7-9 sources of mana (not too hard with Caryatids I s'pose), and then drop a Villainous Wealth to reveal a bunch of burn spells. It's still not a speedy win, but it does seem a lot quicker than slowly grinding them out of the game with Sphinx/Ashiok/removal.
U/R Delver
Is that supposed to be sarcasm or are you really unaware of how X spells work?
UBR Sedris
RG Omnath, Locus of Rage
UB The Scarab God
RUG Maelstrom Wanderer
WU Dragonlord Ojutai
I believe you declare what X is and X is part of the cost while it is on the stack.
So Mistcutter Hydra for 5 is CMC 6 on the stack and when it resolves the CMC is 1.
Also, for folks that are having a hard time closing out games with Sphinx etc., Nissa is the answer to that. You can also use Garruk if you dig him.
4 delve spells is just on the fence of "too many" and a liability IMO.
I would stick with 3 or less. Dig Through Time is simply too powerful to cut. Which puts Murderous Cut in an awkward spot.
Does anyone remember that we also have downfall?
Marath, Will of the Wild
Friendly Kess Twin Combo
Tatyova - Sir Bounce A Lot
Gonti's Luxury Pie
Prime (Eldrazi) Speaker Zegana (Retired)
I feel like it's possible to use mainboard too if you run a little ramp. I used 2x Embodiment of Spring in my build to block and to ramp when the time comes. Allows me to play Garruk early too and probably P Sphinx if I decide to run him.
4 Courser of Kruphix
2 Embodiment of Spring
4 Sylvan Caryatid
Planeswalkers (7):
2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1 Garruk, Apex Predator
3 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
1 Nissa, Worldwaker
Instants & Sorceries (18):
3 Ætherspouts
2 Bile Blight
2 Dig Through Time
3 Hero's Downfall
1 Murderous Cut
3 Sultai Charm
4 Thoughtseize
4 Forest
2 Island
3 Swamp
3 Opulent Palace
4 Polluted Delta
4 Temple of Malady
4 Temple of Mystery
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Bow of Nylea
1 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
2 Disdainful Stroke
4 Drown in Sorrow
2 Negate
3 Nylea's Disciple
1 Phenax, God of Deception
1 Villainous Wealth
- Entering a combat step with Goblin Rabblemaster
- Ultimating Sarkhan
Otherwise just kill their guys and try to stay out of burn range.
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