Yeah... I argue against the card, which means I play it...
And yes, seeing as my local Meta is filled with blind obedience, Bantchantments and OGC, a catch-all cards like Urgent Exorcism is pretty good.
So now why do you denigrate Urgent Exorcism but not OGC? You have no arguments to back your claim!
My argument is that your meta is extremely small if a limited use card like UE is seeing play. OGC already had seen success. Just because your Orzhov deck is built to beat OGC doesn't make it a bad card. It makes your meta very restricted.
My argument is that your meta is extremely small if a limited use card like UE is seeing play. OGC already had seen success. Just because your Orzhov deck is built to beat OGC doesn't make it a bad card. It makes your meta very restricted.
I would think the opposite; my meta is actually very diverse which makes sideboarding very hard and since we're in the middle of a brewery (no set archetypes yet), I have no choice but to use multi-purpose cards.
From my deck's perspective, enchantments are my bane. If OGC was an unpopular card, I'd use 3 erase and a paraselene (specific for bantchantments). But since OGC is popular in many decks (JUNK, ESPER, OROS and ORZHOV), I have to use a card that targets both OGC and enchantments. Other spirits that have been causing me trouble are Crypt Ghast, Deadeye Navigator and Strangleroot geist.
Most of the time, the decks that run the aforementioned spirits also run side-by-side blind obedience, detention sphere, rancor and heartless summoning.
And again, I am not saying this is a bad card. I'm saying this card is overhyped above and beyond. Anyone remembers Vraska?
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Modern: (P/R)(P/G) Infect (P/G)(P/R) UWU Fish UWU WB Disruption BW
Standard: WBR Junk Aristocrats WBR WWW Humans WWW
Commander: BBB Marrowgnawer and Friends BBB GGG Thrun Tron GGG WBR Kaalia of the Vast RBW
I would think the opposite; my meta is actually very diverse which makes sideboarding very hard and since we're in the middle of a brewery (no set archetypes yet), I have no choice but to use multi-purpose cards.
From my deck's perspective, enchantments are my bane. If OGC was an unpopular card, I'd use 3 erase and a paraselene (specific for bantchantments). But since OGC is popular in many decks (JUNK, ESPER, OROS and ORZHOV), I have to use a card that targets both OGC and enchantments. Other spirits that have been causing me trouble are Crypt Ghast, Deadeye Navigator and Strangleroot geist.
Most of the time, the decks that run the aforementioned spirits also run side-by-side blind obedience, detention sphere, rancor and heartless summoning.
And again, I am not saying this is a bad card. I'm saying this card is overhyped above and beyond. Anyone remembers Vraska?
Having played against this card tonight - it is nowhere near the low power of vraska.
Its a.great card. Not overpowered, but great.
Its legit. Beware of it.
Ps - if your playing urgent exorcism, for real, like, wow.
Your meta is full.of crypt gast, deadeye navigator, and strangleroot???
Hey, its your world brutha.
Right lets just pair him with undying evil and we'll be unstoppable! (I like undying evil more than most)
I like it too, though I don't use it. Saw a player drop Craterhoof, undying evil it, sac it with bone splinters, watched it undie, then attacked for 53 with Behemoth, a Strangleroot Geist, a Blood Artist and 2 Vorapedes.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Most players don't build like I do, I follow a rigid ratio I made up years ago and it has always worked in my favour to have 12 removal spells all instants.
This is why I think your evaluation of Obzedat is flawed. That is very atypical in the wider meta, and nothing in your removal suite sees widespread play, though I do think Victim of Night will sooner or later.
I play him in Esper Spirits and its like said before, he can completely turn games around, especially with drogskol captain on the field.
"Damn its looking bad for me...oh topdecked obzedat nevermind"
So if you're playing cards that beat him, you're playing bad cards, but if you're not playing cards that beat him, then you're losing to him because he's godly.
A powerful card to be sure. However, just jamming him into any esper deck doesn't look right, especially if the deck is quite reliant on sorcery speed mass removal at this point.
In a control vs. control game you will probably win if this resolves, more so then probably any other card that isn't Nephalia Drownyard. That alone makes it a card worthy of consideration I think...
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A powerful card to be sure. However, just jamming him into any esper deck doesn't look right, especially if the deck is quite reliant on sorcery speed mass removal at this point.
In a control vs. control game you will probably win if this resolves, more so then probably any other card that isn't Nephalia Drownyard. That alone makes it a card worthy of consideration I think...
Eh disagree. Devour Flesh and Orzhov Charm exists. Not to mention you can never attack with it in the mirror in fear of Azorius Charm due to Drownyard.
Also you should jam at least 1 MD. I'm up to 2 MD and I'm ecstatic when I draw him. Also I run a ton of sorcery speed removal thus 2.
Eh disagree. Devour Flesh and Orzhov Charm exists. Not to mention you can never attack with it in the mirror in fear of Azorius Charm due to Drownyard.
Also you should jam at least 1 MD. I'm up to 2 MD and I'm ecstatic when I draw him. Also I run a ton of sorcery speed removal thus 2.
Who said anything about attacking? You can just keep draining them for two per turn until they die with no further mana investment. Control matches do take that long from what I've gathered.
Orzhov Charm is a card, however, but I don't think it's as effective as advertised. You might as well say that Mizzium Mortars is a good removal spell against Boros Reckoner in that case. You've already taken two because Obzedat resolved, maybe more if you've drawn into Orzhov Charm at a later point, so how big does your life total need to be in order for you to take an additional five without wincing? Is killing Obzedat worth 7 damage at any point in the game?
Granted, in control mirrors life totals are an expendable resource, but trying that trick against anything else is suicidal.
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He is good, but his problem is that he is very mana intensive. Definitely worth playing, and if Esper Spirits is a thing, he will see more play (would have to be some form of tempo list) as a curve topper, but he doesn't break anything.
He is good, but his problem is that he is very mana intensive. Definitely worth playing, and if Esper Spirits is a thing, he will see more play (would have to be some form of tempo list) as a curve topper, but he doesn't break anything.
So if you're playing cards that beat him, you're playing bad cards, but if you're not playing cards that beat him, then you're losing to him because he's godly.
Right....
Its that most of the removal that DOES hit him is either bad (read Urget Exorcism) or just not good enough right now, like they are not BAD persay but due to the environment are too limited (Read Victim of the Night [not hitting Olivia, zombies, and huntmaster is a dealbreaker] and Tragic Slip [against most decks it is not just reliable enough. Against Br zombies though it does do work]).
So yes, if you are playing cards that do hit him, chances are you are either playing bad cards OR your meta is such a way that he just happens to get his with splash damage from people preparing for another deck (like tragic slip).
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This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
Well you can only reliably hit it in Junk imho. Going Esper you're going to get stuck without black or white once in awhile and that will cause problems. Even junk is going to have games where you get stuck off colors.. Same thing would happen for Armada Wurm, Sigarda, and especially Trostani. It's just tough hitting very specific colors even with Farseek and/or Borderland Ranger.
BBWW is way, way more restrictive than people think it is.
Card is good, but very, very limited in what decks can play it.
This is the #1 reason I really do not like the card.
If you want this guy as your "finisher" you need a minimum of 3 in the deck just so you see him often enough. Then you need to be able to cast him reliably every game on curve following a sweeper. Then he is hard to deal with when he lands so he doesn't die but often enough cannot win a game alone.
So you end up with this awkward mana cost on a finisher that you cannot reliably cast and must run multiples that are bricks when you draw them.
I don't think he will be very good until thragtusk rotates out. Right now you are better off stablizing with thragtusk and grinding a game out.
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what ?
My argument is that your meta is extremely small if a limited use card like UE is seeing play. OGC already had seen success. Just because your Orzhov deck is built to beat OGC doesn't make it a bad card. It makes your meta very restricted.
I would think the opposite; my meta is actually very diverse which makes sideboarding very hard and since we're in the middle of a brewery (no set archetypes yet), I have no choice but to use multi-purpose cards.
From my deck's perspective, enchantments are my bane. If OGC was an unpopular card, I'd use 3 erase and a paraselene (specific for bantchantments). But since OGC is popular in many decks (JUNK, ESPER, OROS and ORZHOV), I have to use a card that targets both OGC and enchantments. Other spirits that have been causing me trouble are Crypt Ghast, Deadeye Navigator and Strangleroot geist.
Most of the time, the decks that run the aforementioned spirits also run side-by-side blind obedience, detention sphere, rancor and heartless summoning.
And again, I am not saying this is a bad card. I'm saying this card is overhyped above and beyond. Anyone remembers Vraska?
(P/R)(P/G) Infect (P/G)(P/R)
UWU Fish UWU
WB Disruption BW
Standard:
WBR Junk Aristocrats WBR
WWW Humans WWW
Commander:
BBB Marrowgnawer and Friends BBB
GGG Thrun Tron GGG
WBR Kaalia of the Vast RBW
Why is desperate ravings a good card?
Having played against this card tonight - it is nowhere near the low power of vraska.
Its a.great card. Not overpowered, but great.
Its legit. Beware of it.
Ps - if your playing urgent exorcism, for real, like, wow.
Your meta is full.of crypt gast, deadeye navigator, and strangleroot???
Hey, its your world brutha.
I like it too, though I don't use it. Saw a player drop Craterhoof, undying evil it, sac it with bone splinters, watched it undie, then attacked for 53 with Behemoth, a Strangleroot Geist, a Blood Artist and 2 Vorapedes.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
Ah ok no wonder.
Your meta is entirely filled with a card that actually does crush Obzedat.
that explains everything.
This is why I think your evaluation of Obzedat is flawed. That is very atypical in the wider meta, and nothing in your removal suite sees widespread play, though I do think Victim of Night will sooner or later.
"Damn its looking bad for me...oh topdecked obzedat nevermind"
Btw lets kill all the rancors with UE... oh wait.
BUG Aggro
Right....
In a control vs. control game you will probably win if this resolves, more so then probably any other card that isn't Nephalia Drownyard. That alone makes it a card worthy of consideration I think...
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Eh disagree. Devour Flesh and Orzhov Charm exists. Not to mention you can never attack with it in the mirror in fear of Azorius Charm due to Drownyard.
Also you should jam at least 1 MD. I'm up to 2 MD and I'm ecstatic when I draw him. Also I run a ton of sorcery speed removal thus 2.
Who said anything about attacking? You can just keep draining them for two per turn until they die with no further mana investment. Control matches do take that long from what I've gathered.
Orzhov Charm is a card, however, but I don't think it's as effective as advertised. You might as well say that Mizzium Mortars is a good removal spell against Boros Reckoner in that case. You've already taken two because Obzedat resolved, maybe more if you've drawn into Orzhov Charm at a later point, so how big does your life total need to be in order for you to take an additional five without wincing? Is killing Obzedat worth 7 damage at any point in the game?
Granted, in control mirrors life totals are an expendable resource, but trying that trick against anything else is suicidal.
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lol realy:cool2:
MTGS egos at their finest.
Thoughts on proxies:
He makes token-less Junk a thing again I believe.
Its that most of the removal that DOES hit him is either bad (read Urget Exorcism) or just not good enough right now, like they are not BAD persay but due to the environment are too limited (Read Victim of the Night [not hitting Olivia, zombies, and huntmaster is a dealbreaker] and Tragic Slip [against most decks it is not just reliable enough. Against Br zombies though it does do work]).
So yes, if you are playing cards that do hit him, chances are you are either playing bad cards OR your meta is such a way that he just happens to get his with splash damage from people preparing for another deck (like tragic slip).
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
I said chances are. There are 3 exceptions lol. 2 Charms (Selesnya and Orzhov) and Rapid Hybridization.
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
Card is good, but very, very limited in what decks can play it.
0 Karn
W Darien
U Arcanis
B Geth
R Norin
G Yeva
UW Hanna
RB Olivia
WB Obzedat
UR Melek
BG Glissa
WR Aurelia
GU Kraj
BRU Nicol Bolas
RGB Prossh
BGW Ghave
GUB Mimeoplasm
WUBRG Sliver Overlord
GWU Treva, the Renewer
EDH Spike:
U Azami, Lady of Scrolls
Trades
I play three copies in my junk mid and I have no trouble getting him out;)
This is the #1 reason I really do not like the card.
If you want this guy as your "finisher" you need a minimum of 3 in the deck just so you see him often enough. Then you need to be able to cast him reliably every game on curve following a sweeper. Then he is hard to deal with when he lands so he doesn't die but often enough cannot win a game alone.
So you end up with this awkward mana cost on a finisher that you cannot reliably cast and must run multiples that are bricks when you draw them.
I don't think he will be very good until thragtusk rotates out. Right now you are better off stablizing with thragtusk and grinding a game out.