Having made a strait Eldrazi deck at the pre-release, it can definatly be viable, i was able to consistantly get 8-11 mana on the field by turn 5 and 6, usually resulted in a Eldrazi comming down shortly after (mostly Crusher of Ulamog).
With some modifications there can definatly be a viable Eldrazi deck appearing in standard, maybe more then one.
Oblvion Ring and Journy to Nowhere can target Emrakul because when they resolve they are permanents, not Spells on the stack.
I think Polymorph will without a doubt be a Tier 1.5 or Tier 1 deck. Other than this no- too many decks in standard right now can produce incredible swings in card advantage almost instantaneously (and now they printed Vengevine), so most decks that try to ramp up to the cards are gonna get destroyed pretty quickly.
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Secondly, Emrakul has protection from most of the removal in the format. I don't see how O-ring deals with her, since it has to target a permanent, and it's colored. So your opponent really needs to rip a Day. JacobsCabin is right. When someone plays a Gatekeeper, you sac another creature, like an Eldrazi spawn or something worthless like that.
Oblivion Ring, the spell, does not target anything. The triggered ability on Oblivion Ring does. However, at that point it is a permanent and not a spell. Oblivion Ring works on Emrakul.
You guys know that Alara Block rotates this fall, right?
By that time, everyone will be too excited for Scars of Mirrodin to play the Eldrazi.
Anyway, I believe the Eldrazi will see play in standard. The format is slow enough for them to have a chance, and they have enough ways to get out. Anyone saying that Eldrazi will never see standard play is beng too close-minded.
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I have been running mono-green Eldrazi ramp against some locals and it is actually pretty beasty. My biggest issue is being on the draw against jund and they have a turn 2 leech. Elvish Visionary//Acid Slime are good chump blockers until you can cast All is Dust, but they keep pulsing my Everflowing Chalice and Dreamstone Hedron's.
I just need a way gain life. I was thinking Pelakka Wurm as he would be pretty insane, but the games that I am able to cast him are the games I am winning anyways.
Thought Scour is terrible in BV. How many flashback spells are being run? Say roughly 15. This gives you a roughly 38% chance of milling one flashback spell. And even if you do, you paid one mana to cantrip and dump an overcosted spell. Alchemy, Geistflame, Devil's play, etc. all cost much more to flash back than your average card, so you're not getting full value out of it.
You'd much rather play Ponder. At least that generates a tangible advantage.
I think that not Emurkul, but Ulamog will see play. Ulamog is just sick. Vindicate and indestrucatability are so great. Also with the sac 4, he can be really, really good. After PtE rotates, I think that'll he'll be able to come down as early as t6 and will make a big splash with the rotation with ALA. Also, 15 is a lot harder than it looks.
I think that not Emurkul, but Ulamog will see play. Ulamog is just sick. Vindicate and indestrucatability are so great. Also with the sac 4, he can be really, really good. After PtE rotates, I think that'll he'll be able to come down as early as t6 and will make a big splash with the rotation with ALA. Also, 15 is a lot harder than it looks.
QFT , if any Eldrazi deck becomes competitive it will use Ulamog and some of the common/uncommon Eldrazi. Ulamog is a monster.
Emrakul is too expensive to see the battlefield and Kolizek doesn't make the cut for me.
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Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Artisan of Kozilek, Hand of Emrakul, and It That Betrays are my bets on most playable Eldrazi. Emrakul, as much as I like it, is likely the least playable due to its very high cost (even with all the potential shenanigans). When cheated in and not cast you don't get that spiffy Time Walk effect. Pro-colored spells is nice, but as mentioned even the humble O-Ring can bag it (temporarily, anyway, depending on your ability to zort enchantments). Otherwise both Koz and Ula have a nice Annihilator 4 and good abilities. It That Betrays is expensive too, but that ability works well with both itself and other edict effects (like Gatekeeper and the new Consuming Vapors spell). Otherwise Artisan and its reanimating ways and lower cost, and Hand, while the least impressive from an abilities stand-point, is more workable due to its easy alternate casting method. Emrakul may still appear in Polymorph lists, but most Morphers still prefer their Progens and Ionas to any of the Eldrazi.
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I am pretty sure they will not see a lot of play, but there will definitly be some people out there who will find a way to use them well enough.
IMO: If someone could find a way to use Spawnsire of Ulamog, that may just be the ticket to playing these guys... but 20 is even more unreasonable than 15... maybe just a massive stall deck. Lots of sleep and life gain?
I don't know about yall, but I'm running either Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, or Kozilek, Butcher of Truth as a one of in most of my T2 Decks. Gives a good finisher and helps against any of those people hoping to bring mill back.
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You mean Emrakul trades with Vampire Nighthawk + 6 permanents, while giving you an extra turn, right?
Nope. That's not what he meant.
The discussion was about using Summoning Trap or Elvish Piper to put him into play. Putting into play =/= playing. You do not get an extra turn unless you ramped into him.
The discussion was about using Summoning Trap or Elvish Piper to put him into play. Putting into play =/= playing. You do not get an extra turn unless you ramped into him.
Scratching off the extra turn part, Emrakul will still trade for Vampire Nighthawk + 6 other permanents.
I have been posting this in every thread like this I see. Yes, they will see play. I have a deck that uses purely non-creature based mana to get them in play along with 4 Day Of Judgment and 4 All is Dust. The deck works consistently, and not once have I had a game where landing emrakul was unrealistic. Frankly, I have many games where I am playing Emrakul+All is Dust on the same turn.
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Between Ulamog, Kozilek and Emrakul, the mill deck completely dead. And thats pretty huge. You dont even need to run a deck that uses them. You only need one. Then just sit there. And wait.
I played an Eldrazi deck at Friday Night Magic, and it didn't do too bad. The only trick to using an Eldrazi deck is making sure you can keep up a good defense and control of the game until you can get the Eldrazi out, which I did with GW Eldrazi. However, I'm gonna try UG next week.
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I have been having good results with my Mono-G Eldrazi deck. 6 or 7 spawn tokens on T4 backed by a Turn 5 Overrun wins games, and without Overrun generally a Hand of Emrakul or Ulamog's Crusher is on the field instead.
I think that at least kozilek will see play because there is already a deck that can consistently cast him in the form of UW control. I feel that it will see play there simply because it already gains additional card advantage. I feel that it has a shot against Iona simply because it provides more of a board presence. The reason I feel that way is it is harder to race it with what is already on the board. However, I do acknowledge that Iona is much better protected.
If you are using a control deck Kozilek works good due to having counterspell backup.
If it is Aggro Ulamog is much better due to being indestructible and being able to destroy Baneslayer, Jace, Eldrazi Monument, or any other big threat your opponent has.
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With some modifications there can definatly be a viable Eldrazi deck appearing in standard, maybe more then one.
Oblvion Ring and Journy to Nowhere can target Emrakul because when they resolve they are permanents, not Spells on the stack.
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Oblivion Ring, the spell, does not target anything. The triggered ability on Oblivion Ring does. However, at that point it is a permanent and not a spell. Oblivion Ring works on Emrakul.
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By that time, everyone will be too excited for Scars of Mirrodin to play the Eldrazi.
Anyway, I believe the Eldrazi will see play in standard. The format is slow enough for them to have a chance, and they have enough ways to get out. Anyone saying that Eldrazi will never see standard play is beng too close-minded.
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I just need a way gain life. I was thinking Pelakka Wurm as he would be pretty insane, but the games that I am able to cast him are the games I am winning anyways.
I run 4 Kozilek, 3 Ulamog, and 1 Emrakul.
QFT , if any Eldrazi deck becomes competitive it will use Ulamog and some of the common/uncommon Eldrazi. Ulamog is a monster.
Emrakul is too expensive to see the battlefield and Kolizek doesn't make the cut for me.
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IMO: If someone could find a way to use Spawnsire of Ulamog, that may just be the ticket to playing these guys... but 20 is even more unreasonable than 15... maybe just a massive stall deck. Lots of sleep and life gain?
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Nope. That's not what he meant.
The discussion was about using Summoning Trap or Elvish Piper to put him into play. Putting into play =/= playing. You do not get an extra turn unless you ramped into him.
Scratching off the extra turn part, Emrakul will still trade for Vampire Nighthawk + 6 other permanents.
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If it is Aggro Ulamog is much better due to being indestructible and being able to destroy Baneslayer, Jace, Eldrazi Monument, or any other big threat your opponent has.