After seeing some of the decklists, it looks like several cards will be seeing more play after the debut of Rise of the Eldrazi. I'm not going to sit here and list a bunch of cards, but one, in particular, will probably see more play in mono-G; Omnath, Locus of Mana.
Some of you may think he's underwhelming, removal-prone, garbage, etc. but I believe he'll be used to get Eldrazi titans on the board better than Elvish Piper will. Speaking of which, he may actually become the Eldrazi's biggest threat (30/30 Omnath vs 15/15 Emrakul?), especially in a deck with Tajuru Preserver. His synergy with Bear Umbra will also be experimented with. If people find a way to protect him, I think he's going to be more dangerous than he used to be. I say stock up on them while they're still cheap!
Will mono-green beatdown win a tournament? I'm not gonna rule it out with all the cards it got in RoE, but I still suspect the answer is no. If it does, though, then yes, Omnath will see more play.
After seeing some of the decklists, it looks like several cards will be seeing more play after the debut of Rise of the Eldrazi. I'm not going to sit here and list a bunch of cards, but one, in particular, will probably see more play in mono-G; Omnath, Locus of Mana.
Some of you may think he's underwhelming, removal-prone, garbage, etc. but I believe he'll be used to get Eldrazi titans on the board better than Elvish Piper will. Speaking of which, he may actually become the Eldrazi's biggest threat (30/30 Omnath vs 15/15 Emrakul?), especially in a deck with Tajuru Preserver. His synergy with Bear Umbra will also be experimented with. If people find a way to protect him, I think he's going to be more dangerous than he used to be. I say stock up on them while they're still cheap!
What do you think?
Why "find a way to protect him" when I can just play a better creature that doesn't need protecting? Lack of evasion makes him bad too.
No one will be using Elvish Piper to play Eldrazi either because A) Piper is and has always been bad, B) you don't get the full effect of the Eldrazi that way.
Why "find a way to protect him" when I can just play a better creature that doesn't need protecting? Lack of evasion makes him bad too.
No one will be using Elvish Piper to play Eldrazi either because A) Piper is and has always been bad, B) you don't get the full effect of the Eldrazi that way.
You can't possibly say that with confidence. Some homebrews are capable of coming up with some interesting ideas that actually work. I agree with the Elvish Piper statement, but I still think people will be underestimating Omnath. Also, there are many good creatures without evasion capabilities. That's a tiring point to make in this format.
You can't possibly say that with confidence. Some homebrews are capable of coming up with some interesting ideas that actually work. I agree with the Elvish Piper statement, but I still think people will be underestimating Omnath. Also, there are many good creatures without evasion capabilities. That's a tiring point to make in this format.
No, just no. Bad cards are bad end of story. You keep making post talking about these timmy cards and how they might pop up be to awesome, the real answer? HIGHLY unlikely.
Tajuru Preserver is pretty bad. It could maybe be a sideboard card if there's a top-tier vamps deck? Maybe? It'd be ok on the draw against vampires only because it'd set their plan back a turn when they have to burn probably 2 mana to kill it.
Tajaru Preserver, I think, is going to have a future ripe with fun.
As for Omnath, one can only speculate. I honestly can't see him working too well. Every creature can die to removal, but with Omnath going into it with no real "I hit the field, have instant presence" effect, I think he may burn out.
I respect your opinions, but please, stop assuming I'm trolling.
You're not trolling, but you're a hard-core Timmy. I think that is pretty obvious from your "I Love Angels" posts and talking about Elvish Piper as a competitive card. That sort of play-style doesn't get a lot of support around here, because Timmy decks are not traditionally competitive.
After you play longer and/or decide to be more competitive, you'll see that it is pretty easy to pick out which cards are going to be competitive or not. There are definitely more difficult ones like Cruel Ultimatum and some of the Eldrazi that are much harder to call, but it's very easy to say that Bear Umbra and Tajaru Preserver are bad cards that will not see play. The fact that you're looking to cards like that to support cards like Omnath should be a pretty good indicator that Omnath will not improve.
You're not trolling, but you're a hard-core Timmy. I think that is pretty obvious from your "I Love Angels" posts and talking about Elvish Piper as a competitive card. That sort of play-style doesn't get a lot of support around here, because Timmy decks are not traditionally competitive.
After you play longer and/or decide to be more competitive, you'll see that it is pretty easy to pick out which cards are going to be competitive or not. There are definitely more difficult ones like Cruel Ultimatum and some of the Eldrazi that are much harder to call, but it's very easy to say that Bear Umbra and Tajaru Preserver are bad cards that will not see play. The fact that you're looking to cards like that to support cards like Omnath should be a pretty good indicator that Omnath will not improve.
You have to admit, though...I put together something pretty decent with Angels. I do understand what you're talking about. I played Pokemon for 10 years and I used to do the same...take bad cards and try to find something positive about them, even if it meant that I had to use card combos to make them shine. It's a bit more difficult to do that in Magic, at least from what I've experienced so far.
You have to admit, though...I put together something pretty decent with Angels. I do understand what you're talking about. I played Pokemon for 10 years and I used to do the same...take bad cards and try to find something positive about them, even if it meant that I had to use card combos to make them shine. It's a bit more difficult to do that in Magic, at least from what I've experienced so far.
Ummm, not really. No offense, but a claimed 50% against Jund doesn't impress me. It basically means you're going to a tournament ok with the fact that you're not going to make the top 8.
Let's say you've got a 50% against Jund and Jund is about 40% of the field. In an 8 round tournament, you're going to face Jund 3-4 times. Given your 50% against Jund, you're conceding 1-2 games in an 8 round Swiss. That puts you at 7-1 or 6-2 at best. 6-2 doesn't make top 8 and 7-1 means you have to win every other round without exception. That means no mana screw, no bad MUs, no nuts from the other person.
I hate to break it to you, but there is no making bad cards good in competitive Magic. If you're talking EDH or kitchen table or even FNM, then go for it. But if you're talking competitive (PTQs, 5ks, 1ks, etc...) then no. In competitive Magic, combos either win or don't get played. Making bad cards moderately ok with a 2-3 card combo will not see competitive play.
Ummm, not really. No offense, but a claimed 50% against Jund doesn't impress me. It basically means you're going to a tournament ok with the fact that you're not going to make the top 8.
Let's say you've got a 50% against Jund and Jund is about 40% of the field. In an 8 round tournament, you're going to face Jund 3-4 times. Given your 50% against Jund, you're conceding 1-2 games in an 8 round Swiss. That puts you at 7-1 or 6-2 at best. 6-2 doesn't make top 8 and 7-1 means you have to win every other round without exception. That means no mana screw, no bad MUs, no nuts from the other person.
I hate to break it to you, but there is no making bad cards good in competitive Magic. If you're talking EDH or kitchen table or even FNM, then go for it. But if you're talking competitive (PTQs, 5ks, 1ks, etc...) then no. In competitive Magic, combos either win or don't get played. Making bad cards moderately ok with a 2-3 card combo will not see competitive play.
As I've said before, my intentions weren't to make the best deck. I did not want to play something everyone else was, so I took this route. If it means I won't win all the time, I'm fine with that. If the deck completely sucked, I would not be playing with it. But it doesn't. At the very least, it's competitive (hold's its own) and others have tested it with similar results. I'm content with that.
I am beginning to realize that you can't make bad cards good in Magic and I appreciate the advice.
Omnath will be a one maybe two of in green eldrazi mon., The deck got alot of really cool tools in Rize, Like the elf that makes you not sac to harmful effects, and a couple of elf lvlrs, Not too mention Kalhni Hydra having affinity for green dudes, I think the deck has loads of potential.
Standard = If you play a card that doesn't replace itself, give an advantage, or is highly reliant on other cards appearing in your hand, then you lose to Lightning Bolt. Now stop making absolutely ☺☺☺☺ty threads. I'm no moderator of any kind, but it's stupid threads like this that make the good players never want to post here.
Standard = If you play a card that doesn't replace itself, give an advantage, or is highly reliant on other cards appearing in your hand, then you lose to Lightning Bolt. Now stop making absolutely ☺☺☺☺ty threads. I'm no moderator of any kind, but it's stupid threads like this that make the good players never want to post here.
This thread is not about whether Omnath, Locus of Mana is good or not. It's my opinion that I believe he will see more play after RoE, but the question is referring to other cards as well. How is this a bad thread? You may not agree with what I said, and that's fine because a constructive argument allows for criticism of opinions; but spewing personal attacks, which are completely irrelevant to this, or any, discussion, won't get anyone anywhere.
Crap, all crap, except maybe Bear Umbra, which is still pretty close to crap, although it can do amazing things in response to someone who's tapped out.
Crap, all crap, except maybe Bear Umbra, which is still pretty close to crap, although it can do amazing things in response to someone who's tapped out.
Why are people so hung up on what I said? Are people not reading the thread title?
Umm when was Omnath bad in green??? I muxt be playing a different game then lol. I know he doesn't win games on his own (but can if left unchecked) but is one of the most efficient mana ramp cards out there. Why he is good is that he has to be answered in any mono green raming deck.
one of my buddies is brewing up a brilliant ultimatum combo deck to cheat kozilek and emrakul into play. it's hit and miss so far. new jace, esper charm, DoJ, and various other card.
and a singleton spell snip in the sideboard. helps against the LSV matchup. so yeah, brilliant ultimatum, guys. you heard it here first.
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Some of you may think he's underwhelming, removal-prone, garbage, etc. but I believe he'll be used to get Eldrazi titans on the board better than Elvish Piper will. Speaking of which, he may actually become the Eldrazi's biggest threat (30/30 Omnath vs 15/15 Emrakul?), especially in a deck with Tajuru Preserver. His synergy with Bear Umbra will also be experimented with. If people find a way to protect him, I think he's going to be more dangerous than he used to be. I say stock up on them while they're still cheap!
What do you think?
Why "find a way to protect him" when I can just play a better creature that doesn't need protecting? Lack of evasion makes him bad too.
No one will be using Elvish Piper to play Eldrazi either because A) Piper is and has always been bad, B) you don't get the full effect of the Eldrazi that way.
Tajuru Preserver and Bear Umbra are also both bad and will not see play.
You can't possibly say that with confidence. Some homebrews are capable of coming up with some interesting ideas that actually work. I agree with the Elvish Piper statement, but I still think people will be underestimating Omnath. Also, there are many good creatures without evasion capabilities. That's a tiring point to make in this format.
No, just no. Bad cards are bad end of story. You keep making post talking about these timmy cards and how they might pop up be to awesome, the real answer? HIGHLY unlikely.
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Exactly. There's no deck (and not going to be a deck) that cares about sacrifice effects and doesn't have access to spot removal otherwise.
I'm sure some skilled + lucky Johnny is going to win a FNM somewhere by running it out and then casting All Is Dust, but overall pretty bad card.
As for Omnath, one can only speculate. I honestly can't see him working too well. Every creature can die to removal, but with Omnath going into it with no real "I hit the field, have instant presence" effect, I think he may burn out.
You're not trolling, but you're a hard-core Timmy. I think that is pretty obvious from your "I Love Angels" posts and talking about Elvish Piper as a competitive card. That sort of play-style doesn't get a lot of support around here, because Timmy decks are not traditionally competitive.
After you play longer and/or decide to be more competitive, you'll see that it is pretty easy to pick out which cards are going to be competitive or not. There are definitely more difficult ones like Cruel Ultimatum and some of the Eldrazi that are much harder to call, but it's very easy to say that Bear Umbra and Tajaru Preserver are bad cards that will not see play. The fact that you're looking to cards like that to support cards like Omnath should be a pretty good indicator that Omnath will not improve.
You have to admit, though...I put together something pretty decent with Angels. I do understand what you're talking about. I played Pokemon for 10 years and I used to do the same...take bad cards and try to find something positive about them, even if it meant that I had to use card combos to make them shine. It's a bit more difficult to do that in Magic, at least from what I've experienced so far.
My friend slaps canopy cover On Omnath to some good effects.
Ummm, not really. No offense, but a claimed 50% against Jund doesn't impress me. It basically means you're going to a tournament ok with the fact that you're not going to make the top 8.
Let's say you've got a 50% against Jund and Jund is about 40% of the field. In an 8 round tournament, you're going to face Jund 3-4 times. Given your 50% against Jund, you're conceding 1-2 games in an 8 round Swiss. That puts you at 7-1 or 6-2 at best. 6-2 doesn't make top 8 and 7-1 means you have to win every other round without exception. That means no mana screw, no bad MUs, no nuts from the other person.
I hate to break it to you, but there is no making bad cards good in competitive Magic. If you're talking EDH or kitchen table or even FNM, then go for it. But if you're talking competitive (PTQs, 5ks, 1ks, etc...) then no. In competitive Magic, combos either win or don't get played. Making bad cards moderately ok with a 2-3 card combo will not see competitive play.
As I've said before, my intentions weren't to make the best deck. I did not want to play something everyone else was, so I took this route. If it means I won't win all the time, I'm fine with that. If the deck completely sucked, I would not be playing with it. But it doesn't. At the very least, it's competitive (hold's its own) and others have tested it with similar results. I'm content with that.
I am beginning to realize that you can't make bad cards good in Magic and I appreciate the advice.
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This thread is not about whether Omnath, Locus of Mana is good or not. It's my opinion that I believe he will see more play after RoE, but the question is referring to other cards as well. How is this a bad thread? You may not agree with what I said, and that's fine because a constructive argument allows for criticism of opinions; but spewing personal attacks, which are completely irrelevant to this, or any, discussion, won't get anyone anywhere.
Why are people so hung up on what I said? Are people not reading the thread title?
Thank you. Really, thank you for appropriately contributing to this thread.
and a singleton spell snip in the sideboard. helps against the LSV matchup. so yeah, brilliant ultimatum, guys. you heard it here first.