How does that deck like, ever beat a baneslayer angel I just dont get it.
Seems like mono green is stone dead to baneslayer and the deck seems to limp on a PWers back and an artifact which isnt good without the walker or ant queen.
Baneslayer by himself can't win that match-up. Yes, it can block, stop 1 creatures damage and gain you 5 life. But then your taking 6+ 2/2's+ besides that.
Monument is pretty powerful in a deck like that. Then stack pumps from the Rief, the Archdruid, etc. It can bring the hurt.
I dont undertsand the Hierarch either, but I know that the #1 list was monogreen, and #3 Gw, with the third list in the top 8 running Gr (the later with no noble hierarch).
Hierarch makes a little more sense with GW I guess. Odd that a team with 3 different versions of the same deck all made it to Top 8. Mono Green seems interesting, however Bloodbraid Elf is a house (/duh), and cutting her seems like a mistake.
How does that deck like, ever beat a baneslayer angel I just dont get it.
Seems like mono green is stone dead to baneslayer and the deck seems to limp on a PWers back and an artifact which isnt good without the walker or ant queen.
You're dead before you play Baneslayer. Easy
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eldrazi itself is pretty hard for jund to beat thats why the deck is good
it can etheir play white or red and there both about the same, but in white you get elspeth vs chandra harms way etc but red gets ruin blaster
How does that deck like, ever beat a baneslayer angel I just dont get it.
Seems like mono green is stone dead to baneslayer and the deck seems to limp on a PWers back and an artifact which isnt good without the walker or ant queen.
It can wait one turn and bust through her lifelink. It brings plenty of damage across.
From my experience, there are two problems with Baneslayer against this deck. 1) The deck isn't particularly fast (meaning it doesn't kill on turn 4) but it has the ability to explode into a ton of creatures on turn 5 or so, not leaving Baneslayer enough time to close up the game. Dealing 5 and gaining 5 starting on turn 6 is a losing proposition, so is block and gain 5. And 2) Eldrazi Monument, if not dealt with, turns Baneslayer into little more than a nuisance.
I've won several times through a board state consisting of 2 Baneslayers and multiple Rhox War Monk. Ant Queen and the Monument both do wonders to break stalemates in your favor.
I've been playing 2 Hierarchs and they are important simply as Llanowars 5 and 6. I can see playing more though. The exalted does matter, particularly against Jund. If they use their removal on your other creatures (all of which are larger threats), then Great Sable Stag becomes a 4/4 pro-black when it attacks, meaning aside from the broodmate token no creature can block and kill it alone. I've taken to playing GSS maindeck, but if Jund starts decreasing in popularity I can see boarding it for something else (I don't play Master of the Wild Hunt).
I think the mono-green has at least one very distinct edge over the dual-color versions. As great as Oran-Rief is, it is still a huge annoyance that it comes into play tapped in a deck that curves out pretty good and likes to go from 1 to 3 mana (to play either Archdruid or GSS). A two-color deck requires the use of additional lands that come into play tapped (most likely the Refuges, but perhaps others too depending on the commitment to the second color). The deck just doesn't like the hiccup those lands give it, even if it means added power. I've also found that removal isn't really necessary with this deck, as few creatures are played right now that are game over against it and it will almost always win a creature stalemate. The lack of interaction is concerning, but I think it is made up for in the fact that it makes your opponent interact with you in a manner they don't want to.
Also, yes Nissa can die easily, but if she doesn't she completely dominates the game. In this deck Nissa rarely pumps out a 2/3, it is almost always a 3/4 or 4/5 (based on how many Vastwoods and Archdruids you have). Besides, as good a target as Nissa is for Lightning Bolt, Archdruid pretty much requires one too, making the bolts too few to go around. Nissa isn't necessary to win (a monument and about 4 creatures in play should be game over), but she is amazing in this deck.
I am gunna take a guess and say the SCG vender tables..I think the random draws of Boros kept it out of the top losts because of nissa's Life gain lol and the Metric Ask ton of removal thats floating around atm
Lol dont laugh .
Its true that the lifegain of nissa can set back boros a lot until elves build a position that is unable to lose .
Also , nissas chosen is actually very good against boros ,you either have to sac a fetch everyturn or bolt the chosen otherwise you cant attack with almost all your deck other than geopede succesfully .
I agree, I think this was the deck needed to make the format stop and think. I mean look at that top 8...No Boros, no Vampires and a very small amount of Jund...makes you wonder where the decks placed for the day.
I agree, I think this was the deck needed to make the format stop and think. I mean look at that top 8...No Boros, no Vampires and a very small amount of Jund...makes you wonder where the decks placed for the day.
I still can't seem how this is beating Jund. Can someone explain?
Blightning looks good on their planeswalkers.
Pulse their Planeswalkers or Chosens.
Run over with Broodmates.
I still can't seem how this is beating Jund. Can someone explain?
Blightning looks good on their planeswalkers.
Pulse their Planeswalkers or Chosens.
Run over with Broodmates.
Does it just pump out too many threats?
Yes. If you count in how you need the draw those things at the right time like any other deck, keep in mind that if you don't kill the planeswalkers in a timely manner, you're going to be overrun, and if you remove Nissa after a chosen comes out or Garruk makes a token, you're down a card. In addition, as has been mentioned, Great Sable Stag + Oran-Rief makes a creature that only dies to a Broodmate token.
It's just that no one should ever underestimate the tribal theme. Vampires got a lot of new love, so everyone anticipated it, but elves already had a lot of love, and Nissa + Monument sealed the deal.
Blightning on their Nissa does seem fun, though. Their 2 for 1 is outclassed by your 3 for 1. Of course, that 2/3 or larger is still staring at you...
I can see how a Mono-Green Elves deck could beat jund more than one time... With a sheer advantage with numbers, I don't think Bit. Blast into BBE into Jund Charm can actually do any good against GSS, recurring Nissa's Chosen(s), AND Elvish archdruids along with +1/+1 Counters. Also, by the time Broodmate Dragon comes into play, Elves would already be playing Eldrazi Monument to kill the pesky Dragons!
It seems that the solution found by these elves deck was that the sheer number of creatures they can play is enough to offset the impressive array of removal Jund plays.
RG Nissa Aggro seems weak to me now, even with the ability to play BBE. @_@
yeh its seems like basic aggro elves in legacy only much slower and without priest of titania for consistency. Just dump your whole hand as soon as possible and know that you play more must deal with threats than the opponent runs removal. DoJ is good but then there is Nissa and Garruk, and eldrazi..
Does this mean twilight.dec is dead? Even my janky goblin deck beats it. Eldrazi monument beats alot of decks
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I crack up at people asking "Where is Boros?" -Did people actually think that deck could "win"?
It's too one-dimensional - I have been saying that since day one. I am glad that it's not Top 8ing - maybe people will stop playing this terrible deck.
Seems like mono green is stone dead to baneslayer and the deck seems to limp on a PWers back and an artifact which isnt good without the walker or ant queen.
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Monument is pretty powerful in a deck like that. Then stack pumps from the Rief, the Archdruid, etc. It can bring the hurt.
Hierarch makes a little more sense with GW I guess. Odd that a team with 3 different versions of the same deck all made it to Top 8. Mono Green seems interesting, however Bloodbraid Elf is a house (/duh), and cutting her seems like a mistake.
You're dead before you play Baneslayer. Easy
it can etheir play white or red and there both about the same, but in white you get elspeth vs chandra harms way etc but red gets ruin blaster
Anyways, I'm asking myself the same question regarding noble hierarch, apart from it's exalted, what else can we see with it?
Either way; will wait for the lists to show up.
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i dont understand but i think that druid is better in the red version( of the anima) and birds is an option but id rather play heirarch or anima
It can wait one turn and bust through her lifelink. It brings plenty of damage across.
I've won several times through a board state consisting of 2 Baneslayers and multiple Rhox War Monk. Ant Queen and the Monument both do wonders to break stalemates in your favor.
I've been playing 2 Hierarchs and they are important simply as Llanowars 5 and 6. I can see playing more though. The exalted does matter, particularly against Jund. If they use their removal on your other creatures (all of which are larger threats), then Great Sable Stag becomes a 4/4 pro-black when it attacks, meaning aside from the broodmate token no creature can block and kill it alone. I've taken to playing GSS maindeck, but if Jund starts decreasing in popularity I can see boarding it for something else (I don't play Master of the Wild Hunt).
I think the mono-green has at least one very distinct edge over the dual-color versions. As great as Oran-Rief is, it is still a huge annoyance that it comes into play tapped in a deck that curves out pretty good and likes to go from 1 to 3 mana (to play either Archdruid or GSS). A two-color deck requires the use of additional lands that come into play tapped (most likely the Refuges, but perhaps others too depending on the commitment to the second color). The deck just doesn't like the hiccup those lands give it, even if it means added power. I've also found that removal isn't really necessary with this deck, as few creatures are played right now that are game over against it and it will almost always win a creature stalemate. The lack of interaction is concerning, but I think it is made up for in the fact that it makes your opponent interact with you in a manner they don't want to.
Also, yes Nissa can die easily, but if she doesn't she completely dominates the game. In this deck Nissa rarely pumps out a 2/3, it is almost always a 3/4 or 4/5 (based on how many Vastwoods and Archdruids you have). Besides, as good a target as Nissa is for Lightning Bolt, Archdruid pretty much requires one too, making the bolts too few to go around. Nissa isn't necessary to win (a monument and about 4 creatures in play should be game over), but she is amazing in this deck.
Ha, my thinking exactly.
Buckwhacker and Nissa are my two favorite decks in Standard though...glad it's doing well!
couldnt the baneslayer be hurricaned away. or even oren rief reclused away
Oh,well. Atleast new lists are winning now.
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I am gunna take a guess and say the SCG vender tables..I think the random draws of Boros kept it out of the top losts because of nissa's Life gain lol and the Metric Ask ton of removal thats floating around atm
I agree, I think this was the deck needed to make the format stop and think. I mean look at that top 8...No Boros, no Vampires and a very small amount of Jund...makes you wonder where the decks placed for the day.
I still can't seem how this is beating Jund. Can someone explain?
Blightning looks good on their planeswalkers.
Pulse their Planeswalkers or Chosens.
Run over with Broodmates.
Does it just pump out too many threats?
Yes. If you count in how you need the draw those things at the right time like any other deck, keep in mind that if you don't kill the planeswalkers in a timely manner, you're going to be overrun, and if you remove Nissa after a chosen comes out or Garruk makes a token, you're down a card. In addition, as has been mentioned, Great Sable Stag + Oran-Rief makes a creature that only dies to a Broodmate token.
And so on, and so on.
Blightning on their Nissa does seem fun, though. Their 2 for 1 is outclassed by your 3 for 1. Of course, that 2/3 or larger is still staring at you...
It seems that the solution found by these elves deck was that the sheer number of creatures they can play is enough to offset the impressive array of removal Jund plays.
RG Nissa Aggro seems weak to me now, even with the ability to play BBE. @_@
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Does this mean twilight.dec is dead? Even my janky goblin deck beats it. Eldrazi monument beats alot of decks
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It's too one-dimensional - I have been saying that since day one. I am glad that it's not Top 8ing - maybe people will stop playing this terrible deck.
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