MTG Salvation

the fact i've seen is that:



that i've faced and it was very strange but against aggro it can be quite good IMO with trick like sower+mistbind or sower+gargadon

My conceptualization for dropping a teaching engine for it's Fae counterpart is not random. Your rant is not merited. point of fact ... the Fae engine is strong in any format if only because it has infinite time walks through cryptic and mistbind clique. the idea of stepping off the aggro/tempo game and running solid u/b control seems more than viable.

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My conceptualization for dropping a teaching engine for it's Fae counterpart is not random. Your rant is not merited. point of fact ... the Fae engine is strong in any format if only because it has infinite time walks through cryptic and mistbind clique. the idea of stepping off the aggro/tempo game and running solid u/b control seems more than viable.

How is it relevant to post a list that requires people to THINK and replace 43 cards from it? You might as well have posted a list you THOUGHT might have worked instead of posting an irrelevant list and asking people to replace 43 of its cards. Aside from that, my rant is that everyone should stop speculating how the next format will look like. There is so many cards yet unspoiled. I dont see why we should start building decks and testing and preparing for the new format or even discussing it when we havent seen the bulk of the set yet, and to have all that testing, preparing, discussion moot and useless and just random spam.

Can we just keep the thread on topic? Like maybe late innovations like that UBR list Kemono suggested? It might be even better than the current Fae lists and turn out to be the last great thing this format could bring out. Its like one of those late innovations like that of RG tokens last end of season which was cheap, and owning all the MTGO queues.

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How is it relevant to post a list that requires people to THINK and replace 43 cards from it? You might as well have posted a list you THOUGHT might have worked instead of posting an irrelevant list and asking people to replace 43 of its cards. Aside from that, my rant is that everyone should stop speculating how the next format will look like. There is so many cards yet unspoiled. I dont see why we should start building decks and testing and preparing for the new format or even discussing it when we havent seen the bulk of the set yet, and to have all that testing, preparing, discussion moot and useless and just random spam.

Can we just keep the thread on topic? Like maybe late innovations like that UBR list Kemono suggested? It might be even better than the current Fae lists and turn out to be the last great thing this format could bring out. Its like one of those late innovations like that of RG tokens last end of season which was cheap, and owning all the MTGO queues.

+1

it's why i've posted the Ubr version i've faced cause it seems to be quite good...the same boy told me that in his reveillark build is Uwr and not UWr so it means that except reveillark,there's not white card (he plays sulfurous blast instead of wraht)

HS: at fact Joihra, ifi t's you photo as your avatar,you're very beautiful

You are welcome to stick with the current mold Jhoira. The list i opted with was one my buddy finished second with at Regionals this year ... My idea was to offer something pliable. Allow a bit of discussion to arise from all the space available. If you would like in my next posting i will draw you a picture of what a good deck looks like rather than offer clean discussion on format direction. As it stands backing away from further complicating the manna base, and trying to replace aggro with jank combo id suggest a more control build ...

Hmm, I agree with the previous poster. I think AV is needed. GG can be down to a 3-of, since you dont really need to suspend it on turn 1 nor is it a crucial part of your strategy.

The deck would be more along the lines of throwing in more Vivid Lands and cutting the Vendilion Clique, the random Slaughter Pact, Unsummon and Hammer for 4 Terrors, 4 Ancestral Visions and 1 more land.

More like
(not sure about landbase, but Im pretty sure a landbase can be tweaked out to suit the demands.)



Leaving just nice enough room for 25 lands.

Maybe, (not tested at all)


Of course, with the addition of Red. We get to throw in Murderous Redcap advantage with GG, as well as "legally" take advantage of Flame Javelin. Could Flame Javelin be thrown into maindeck in this case? The addition of Red do seem to help more vs Mono-Red. Since Redcap GG or Sower GG could be backbreaking on Mono-Red.

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I would suggest taking the deck to a more controlling aspect after rotation ... finding a hybrid between a dralnu build and the Fae ...
3 Cancel
4 Cryptic Command
1 Pact of Negation
3 Mystical Teachings
4 Rune Snag
2 Remove Soul
2 Think Twice
2 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Dralnu, Lich Lord
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
2 Tendrils of Corruption
3 Terror
1 Slaughter Pact
4 Damnation
10 Snow-Covered Island
4 Sunken Ruins
3 Dreadship Reef
4 Tolaria West
4 Desert
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Urza's Factory

simply dump the rotating cards and insert the Fae engine ... though the loss of damnation is going to be a soul crusher for these decks ... will shards keep the several pieces of spot removal viable ...

Aw man im sorry if someone said it before but this list is awfull man, everything here is rotating out, and why the hell did you put this here, it doesnt even have bitterblossom and your ranting about the fae engine, it looks like something for the past season when teachings was relevant :S i suggest you post this in another UB control thread.

On a lighter note, i took fae this weekend and won first place i replaced my V clique with one Lox hammer and another remove soul it worked fantasticly helped me alot with the RDW match up didnt even have to sideboard.

There are threads for that, just not in the competitive section, as it's kind of unproven as a competitive extended deck at the moment.
here and here

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Hmm, I agree with the previous poster. I think AV is needed. GG can be down to a 3-of, since you dont really need to suspend it on turn 1 nor is it a crucial part of your strategy.

The deck would be more along the lines of throwing in more Vivid Lands and cutting the Vendilion Clique, the random Slaughter Pact, Unsummon and Hammer for 4 Terrors, 4 Ancestral Visions and 1 more land.

More like
(not sure about landbase, but Im pretty sure a landbase can be tweaked out to suit the demands.)

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Creatures 3 Greater Gargadon 4 Spellstutter Sprite 4 Mistbind Clique 4 Sower of Temptation	Spells 4 Ancestral Visions 4 Bitterblossom 4 Rune Snag 4 Cryptic Command 4 Terror

Leaving just nice enough room for 25 lands.

Maybe, (not tested at all)

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4 Vivid Creek 4 Reflecting Pool 4 Mutavault 4 Secluded Glen 2 Shivan Reef 4 Island 2 River of Tears 1 Swamp

Of course, with the addition of Red. We get to throw in Murderous Redcap advantage with GG, as well as "legally" take advantage of Flame Javelin. Could Flame Javelin be thrown into maindeck in this case? The addition of Red do seem to help more vs Mono-Red. Since Redcap GG or Sower GG could be backbreaking on Mono-Red.

flame javelin, i think too costly IMO
redcap i'm for it, 2 of replacing slaughter pact

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Jace has seen play in block in Faeries so it might be useful post-rotation. Still too early to call though.

If we're going to resort to a 3cc CA spell, it will be Mulldrifter, not Jace Beleren.

have you tested mulls vs jace, shin; the japanese favor jace more, and ive seen it in action, jace is strong especially since he's protected by bitterblossom tokens

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have you tested mulls vs jace, shin; the japanese favor jace more, and ive seen it in action, jace is strong especially since he's protected by bitterblossom tokens

truth. I lost a game against this homebrew uw control because he resolved and defended a jace, and the ca was just too much. but he and drifter aren't mutually exclusive. I too like Mikokoro the planeswalker, but one or two of him, and two or three mulldrifters wouldn't be ca overkill.

I don't know if Jace will work or not, but it'd be awesome if it did since I love the art

But honestly though, maybe Pestermite comes back in?

I've been considering running 3 Thoughtseize maindeck after rotation. They are not card advantage per se, but they are a good one drop that allow for card selection as well as planning for the game. I know it hurts with BB, but otherwise we have no one drops post rotation and thus it'll be a wasted slot (which it almost is now).

he seems spurious till you test without him and it gets impossible to aggro fast.

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Eyeblights, Consign to Dream, Unsummon, Cryptic Command, Thoughtseize. I understand that you like Condeem, I would love to play it, cause its cheap and effectiv vs. about any creature. But O-Ring wouldnt be great in this deck, 3 Mana Sorcery-Speed and an anchantment, that can be destroyed, I dont like it.

But in the end none of this cards convinces me to go 3 colors. I would have to mull more often and would be mana screwed more often.



Our mana base needs the following:

- consistent Turn 2 black and blue mana,
- Turn 4 enough blue mana to play cryptic command
- 3-4 Mutavault.

Now if you show me a manabase, that manages all that stuff and also splashes another color, I will play it for sure.

t1 Arcane sanctum
t2 reflecting pool



problem solved?

not that i think white splash is necessarily the best idea, (wootles infest) but it won't be too hard. if toast can do it, we can too.

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Last FNM I lost all games against Kithkins, Elves, and DDW. Is there any good list to deal with these aggro decks? Masticore instead of Scion MD? Remove soul? More removal?

maws and 'nations in the sb along with Slaughter pact should keep plenty of aggro decks in place, against DDW, play some faerie trickeries, pretty decent at stopping Demigod.

Hm, Jace sounds interesting, but how well would he actually work? To keep his loyalty up, you'll have to give your opponent CA too. I wish U/B had some better removal. It's all "Destroy target nonblack/nonartifact creature". Some of the biggest threats out there are immune to black or they're black themselves, and artifacts will be big with Alara. I'm not fond of counterspells because everyone here loves Vexing Shusher.

I never thought I'd say this - but ATM, Faeries is simply unplayable. Kithkin, DDW, Merfolk, and now even Elves, seem to make up a large part of the metagame, at least it did at the minneapolis 5K tourney.

As much as it pains me to say, 'lark is the best deck to play until rotation.

Play ti at your own risk. For now, It's hitting the shelf.

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I never thought I'd say this - but ATM, Faeries is simply unplayable. Kithkin, DDW, Merfolk, and now even Elves, seem to make up a large part of the metagame, at least it did at the minneapolis 5K tourney.

As much as it pains me to say, 'lark is the best deck to play until rotation.

Play ti at your own risk. For now, It's hitting the shelf.

Thats basically a bloody lie. Kithkin and Elves aren't hard to handle, especially when they aren't siding as much raw hate as prior. and DDW is only like 60/40 pre board, 50/50 after. And Fish can be handled by a resolved damnation after they explode. Plus lark is still an automatic win.

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Afaik Faeries made Top 8 in Minnesota and Regionals Polen so why do you think its unplayable?:confused:

It's funny because blade actually top 8'd regionals with faeries =P.

He's right however, reveillark (if piloted correctly, and metagamed correctly) is the best deck. Turtenwald won the 5k for a reason. He played a great list, and he played it correctly.

Quote from PurE

It's funny because blade actually top 8'd regionals with faeries =P.

He's right however, reveillark (if piloted correctly, and metagamed correctly) is the best deck. Turtenwald won the 5k for a reason. He played a great list, and he played it correctly.

The 5k doesn't really matter, but the point still stands.

Even so, however, that doesn't really count Faeries out. It's not great vs RDW, but it's still the most powerful deck in the format. It just so happens that its worst MU is the most popular deck. I can pilot it to wins in a RDW-saturated metas, but I wouldn't suggest it. It's not dead by any means. But it DOES require more skill than ever before.

"Unplayable" is FAR from the word I'd use to describe Faeries.

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It's funny because blade actually top 8'd regionals with faeries =P.

He's right however, reveillark (if piloted correctly, and metagamed correctly) is the best deck. Turtenwald won the 5k for a reason. He played a great list, and he played it correctly.

That's true - how did you know that?

Anyways, maybe unplayable is too strong a word. It's playable for sure, it's just not the best choice, as it does not give you the best chance at top 8'ing, or more-over winning a tournament anymore.

With 3 possibly 4 prevalent decks being 50-50 or worse matchups, it's not the smart deck to play right now.

The guy who top 8'ed at the 5K (He's actually a friend of mine) had good matchups all day long. His worst matchup was Rogues, I think, which he won.

I'm a big advocate of faeries, maybe the biggest on MTGS, but I know when it's time to audible to a different deck for the time being.

I really think that a white splash would cut the consistency of this deck. There's always that chance of being screwed out of a color. Even if it happens 1/10 times, its still too much. You need to have the utmost consistency with this deck. Ever wondered why Gruul didn't splash white? It just made the deck slightly less consistent. Its the key.