I've seen this addressed for Commander but I can't really find anything about it for 60 card decks. How many colorless mana producing utility lands can you get away with without being in too much danger of drawing a bunch right near the beginning?
I'm playing a mono black midrange deck in standard right now and I have 24 lands: 4 Ifnir Deadlands, 2 Field of Ruin and 18 swamps. I want to take out a few swamps and add 2 Scavenger Grounds and 1 or 2 Arch of Orazca. How do you think this will work out?
I've seen this addressed for Commander but I can't really find anything about it for 60 card decks. How many colorless mana producing utility lands can you get away with without being in too much danger of drawing a bunch right near the beginning?
I'm playing a mono black midrange deck in standard right now and I have 24 lands: 4 Ifnir Deadlands, 2 Field of Ruin and 18 swamps. I want to take out a few swamps and add 2 Scavenger Grounds and 1 or 2 Arch of Orazca. How do you think this will work out?
What spells are you trying to cast?
Unless you're a very aggressive deck (which doesn't seem to be the case) you will probably need to hit these parameters:
- two pips by turn 2
- three pips by turn 4
- four pips by turn 6
This means you'll want around 21 sources of black mana. Right now you have 22, so you can probably afford to cut one or at most two.
But those numbers are guesses and could be wrong depending on your list, so send it over!
The correct answer is you need to have the right number of colored mana sources to hit your colors on time, and then all other lands can be colorless/utility lands. This is a good guide to how many colored mana sources to hit your colors.
Now, the type of deck you're playing will dictate what lands you can get away with. For example, if you're playing control, you can get away with far more ETB Tapped lands than if you're playing an aggro deck.
In your deck, and using the chart in that article, you need 19 black mana sources to consistently play Gifted Aetherborn on turn 2 (your lowest cost BB spell). You're running 24 total lands (I would probably run 25 since your deck is running Liliana and Tetzimoc), so since you only need 19 colored sources, you can have 5 colorless lands without impacting your color need.
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I'm playing a mono black midrange deck in standard right now and I have 24 lands: 4 Ifnir Deadlands, 2 Field of Ruin and 18 swamps. I want to take out a few swamps and add 2 Scavenger Grounds and 1 or 2 Arch of Orazca. How do you think this will work out?
What spells are you trying to cast?
Unless you're a very aggressive deck (which doesn't seem to be the case) you will probably need to hit these parameters:
- two pips by turn 2
- three pips by turn 4
- four pips by turn 6
This means you'll want around 21 sources of black mana. Right now you have 22, so you can probably afford to cut one or at most two.
But those numbers are guesses and could be wrong depending on your list, so send it over!
GW ~ Angels ~ WG
Modern:
RBW ~ Shadowmancer ~ WBR
Legacy:
BUG ~ Shadow Delver ~ GUB
2 Field of Ruin
4 Ifnir Deadlands
18 Swamp
Spells
4 Doomfall
4 Fatal Push
3 Liliana,Death's Majesty
3 Painful Lesson
2 Vraska's Contempt
3 Dusk Legion Zealot
4 Gifted Aetherborn
2 Gonti,Lord of Luxury
4 Kitesail Freebooter
4 Ravenous Chupacabra
3 Tetzimoc,Primal Death
I could probably do without the Arch but I would like the 2 Scavenger Grounds at least.
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/frank-analysis-how-many-colored-mana-sources-do-you-need-to-consistently-cast-your-spells/
Now, the type of deck you're playing will dictate what lands you can get away with. For example, if you're playing control, you can get away with far more ETB Tapped lands than if you're playing an aggro deck.
In your deck, and using the chart in that article, you need 19 black mana sources to consistently play Gifted Aetherborn on turn 2 (your lowest cost BB spell). You're running 24 total lands (I would probably run 25 since your deck is running Liliana and Tetzimoc), so since you only need 19 colored sources, you can have 5 colorless lands without impacting your color need.