I'll try and post my decklist on one of my days off but I'm gonna try this deck for a bit. Haven't played standard since before Dom but I'm excited to play this deck. I still need to work on my list a lot but I'll work it out
took jim davis' list to FNM and standard showdown. only changes were to main:
main: +1 teferi -1 fumigate
FNM - only 6 people showed up. everyone else wanted to play dom-ixalan-rivals draft.
R1: 2-0 mardu vehicles. easy match
R2: 2-0 gb rock. it was my buddy and i knew the deck.
R3: split but won first place packs.
wound up winning a mox amber. got a karn and lyra in my packs.
SS - only 6 people again.
R1: 0-2 vampires. just wasn't drawing anything.
R2: 2-0 gw cats. she just kept saying how bad of a player she was. just didn't try.
R3: 2-1 rg dinos. top deck approach is nuts. especially when you don't expect it.
overall, i'm liking bant approach. i feel that it might need something but i'm not really sure. i did see someone play a UW list that didn't have approach but seemed like gas. i think it was the flash deck.
I really like the Bant Approach decks. I think not playing Unferi is categorically incorrect though, so I like your change. I would add another. I think I would cut Spring//Mind.
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I really like the Bant Approach decks. I think not playing Unferi is categorically incorrect though, so I like your change. I would add another. I think I would cut Spring//Mind.
i'll have to test that out. i really liked teferi a lot in the list. i feel like i want to increase my settle and fumigate +1 each main. i'm kinda like "i don't need a counter spell mainboard"
Um...this question is going to sound a bit stupid, but it's bothering me, so I'll just get it over with. Why do these creatures have two different species'? Did an elf figure out how to have sex with a tree?
Yeah, that seems crazy to me. You lose your Gideon, you win by decking the opponent or via concession to Teferi emblem + opponent not knowing you only have 1 win-con?
I was really surprised by that too. I bet he got a lot of concessions off the Commit//Memory. You get the Unferi emblem and then flash that back out of the GY to remove 7 of your oppo's lands and it game over.
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Teferi is a win condition. You do not have to remove an opponent's library or life total to win a game of Magic. That is how Lantern control in Modern works. They do not have creatures. And yet win purely from opponent concession.
I played Bant Approach last night with him at 2 and 1 in the board. I ran into mono-W aggro and got mana screwed G2 and colour screwed G3. That deck is not a thing though...it autoloses to Chainwhirler.
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I played Bant Approach last night with him at 2 and 1 in the board. I ran into mono-W aggro and got mana screwed G2 and colour screwed G3. That deck is not a thing though...it autoloses to Chainwhirler.
I started with the Davis list, then cut a compass and a spring for Teferi #2 and Settle #4. I find I am not drawing enough White mana, so I'm thinking about cutting a Forest for a white cycling desert or a 2nd Grove. out of 15 or so games, I have failed to hit WW on T4 at least three times and lost the game twice because of it.
I am starting to see a lot of Brontodons -- which you would think would be bad for a deck that relies on up to 10 enchantment-based removal spells -- but more often than not, the creature you got rid of with the Seal Away on T2/3 is actually worse than the 3/4 Brontodon, so they wait until they can free up a Benalish Crusade dude, or Hazoret or something like that and that gives you the time you need to win. I haven't played against BW Knights yet, but I am not worried about anything else I've run across yet.
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I started with the Davis list, then cut a compass and a spring for Teferi #2 and Settle #4. I find I am not drawing enough White mana, so I'm thinking about cutting a Forest for a white cycling desert or a 2nd Grove. out of 15 or so games, I have failed to hit WW on T4 at least three times and lost the game twice because of it.
I am starting to see a lot of Brontodons -- which you would think would be bad for a deck that relies on up to 10 enchantment-based removal spells -- but more often than not, the creature you got rid of with the Seal Away on T2/3 is actually worse than the 3/4 Brontodon, so they wait until they can free up a Benalish Crusade dude, or Hazoret or something like that and that gives you the time you need to win. I haven't played against BW Knights yet, but I am not worried about anything else I've run across yet.
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i did the fumigate cut for the 2nd teferi and then realized i needed the fumigate so i put it in the board. i really feel like putting it back in. i have a 4th settle coming hopefully this week so i might make that change. how has the settle/compass cuts been? have you been missing them? i put more checklands in to help get that since i really never wanted sanctums in the list. they just felt bad late game.
hows your sb? i'm kinda iffy on mine. been taking all sorts of approach lists and trying to merge some 15 cards together.
I am not sure cutting Spring is ever correct with this variant. I haven't missed it though so I am not sure whether I should put it back in or not. I really like Compass, but having three in the deck always felt clunky and the card I cut it for -- Unferi #2 -- does a lot more for me.
You are definitely right about needing the 3rd Fumigate in the MD. I don't know what your meta is like, but I've got a lot of decks going low and wide as hard and fast as they can so cutting a wrath just feels super wrong to me. And this is why I am not comfortable about cutting Spring -- if your oppo has Shalai your Settles are dead (especially if he's smart enough to hold it back and keep is away from your seals), so you need to Spring on T3 into Fumigate on T4 (hopefully). And cutting a Spring makes that less likely.
My board is pretty much all over the place too, but the core pieces are the same as yours.
[card]3 Negate
3 Lyra
1 Nezahal (I really like this card)
2 Desert's Hold
3 Naturalize (there are no many good targets for this right now)
1 Unferi
2 Flex[/card]
The flex slot could be a lot of things. It rally depends on what looks like it's problematic as the meta evolves. Right now I like Spyglass, another Binding and Commit//Memory. I also think we may want more GY hate. The R and RU GPG deck can be very fast and it can win out of nowhere.
There's a 5-0 list from yesterday that is interesting. It's quite different from Davis. There are a few weird decisions in the list like the Grow from the Ashes and the Hostile Desert, but I've always been fond of the Gift of Paradise.
I am not sure cutting Spring is ever correct with this variant. I haven't missed it though so I am not sure whether I should put it back in or not. I really like Compass, but having three in the deck always felt clunky and the card I cut it for -- Unferi #2 -- does a lot more for me.
You are definitely right about needing the 3rd Fumigate in the MD. I don't know what your meta is like, but I've got a lot of decks going low and wide as hard and fast as they can so cutting a wrath just feels super wrong to me. And this is why I am not comfortable about cutting Spring -- if your oppo has Shalai your Settles are dead (especially if he's smart enough to hold it back and keep is away from your seals), so you need to Spring on T3 into Fumigate on T4 (hopefully). And cutting a Spring makes that less likely.
My board is pretty much all over the place too, but the core pieces are the same as yours.
[card]3 Negate
3 Lyra
1 Nezahal (I really like this card)
2 Desert's Hold
3 Naturalize (there are no many good targets for this right now)
1 Unferi
2 Flex[/card]
The flex slot could be a lot of things. It rally depends on what looks like it's problematic as the meta evolves. Right now I like Spyglass, another Binding and Commit//Memory. I also think we may want more GY hate. The R and RU GPG deck can be very fast and it can win out of nowhere.
There's a 5-0 list from yesterday that is interesting. It's quite different from Davis. There are a few weird decisions in the list like the Grow from the Ashes and the Hostile Desert, but I've always been fond of the Gift of Paradise.
i'll definitely keep all that stuff in mind. i do like spyglass too. just need to find the ones i have. i like your reasonings behind things too. thanks! i've been testing blink of an eye instead of essence scatter and seem to like it a lot.
i have been thinking of axing search for azcanta. i seem to be siding it out in a lot of matchups and i know that it's helpful but i feel like there's better options out there. but that might be wrong. still new to this deck (and standard in general).
I am not sure cutting Spring is ever correct with this variant. I haven't missed it though so I am not sure whether I should put it back in or not. I really like Compass, but having three in the deck always felt clunky and the card I cut it for -- Unferi #2 -- does a lot more for me.
You are definitely right about needing the 3rd Fumigate in the MD. I don't know what your meta is like, but I've got a lot of decks going low and wide as hard and fast as they can so cutting a wrath just feels super wrong to me. And this is why I am not comfortable about cutting Spring -- if your oppo has Shalai your Settles are dead (especially if he's smart enough to hold it back and keep is away from your seals), so you need to Spring on T3 into Fumigate on T4 (hopefully). And cutting a Spring makes that less likely.
My board is pretty much all over the place too, but the core pieces are the same as yours.
[card]3 Negate
3 Lyra
1 Nezahal (I really like this card)
2 Desert's Hold
3 Naturalize (there are no many good targets for this right now)
1 Unferi
2 Flex[/card]
The flex slot could be a lot of things. It rally depends on what looks like it's problematic as the meta evolves. Right now I like Spyglass, another Binding and Commit//Memory. I also think we may want more GY hate. The R and RU GPG deck can be very fast and it can win out of nowhere.
There's a 5-0 list from yesterday that is interesting. It's quite different from Davis. There are a few weird decisions in the list like the Grow from the Ashes and the Hostile Desert, but I've always been fond of the Gift of Paradise.
i'll definitely keep all that stuff in mind. i do like spyglass too. just need to find the ones i have. i like your reasonings behind things too. thanks! i've been testing blink of an eye instead of essence scatter and seem to like it a lot.
i have been thinking of axing search for azcanta. i seem to be siding it out in a lot of matchups and i know that it's helpful but i feel like there's better options out there. but that might be wrong. still new to this deck (and standard in general).
Thanks!
I'm going to test Blink in those slots too. I'm not super excited about Scatter. Even if your oppo knows you have them, they probably know you don't have many so it's never the right play to worry about them. You just go hard and try to get there and if they have one of their two scatters then they do. The math says you gamble, so you do. besides...the mono W player I lost to on Monday was running Sram's Expertise into the Benalish dude so I couldn't counter him even if I wanted to. If I was going to run MD counters I'd have to look at Negate, Disallow or Syncopate. I think we have enough board management for the creatures anyway.
I'd keep the SfA. We have very little to do on T2 and scrying every turn has helped my mana development or helped me find key pieces. You may want to side it out against Aggro, but I think you want to keep in in the deck.
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I did'nt use SEAL AWAY because my aim is to abuse the ability of PRECOGNITION FIELD.
Thats why all of my spells are instant and sorceries.
I think precognition field find its home to approach deck.
I always win the first game because of lib filters and 4 copies of approach.
And after our fnm i noticed that i still have to use counter spells so that my approach will not be countered also.
In main deck i add 4 copies of UNWIND minus 4 copies of Glimmer of Genius.
Also 4 copies of Censor minus 4 copies of Hieroglyphic.
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The U/W decks look sick, but I'm not keen on using approach.
For Now I guess, not technically for it though but with the new cards might as well discuss the transition.
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main: +1 teferi -1 fumigate
FNM - only 6 people showed up. everyone else wanted to play dom-ixalan-rivals draft.
R1: 2-0 mardu vehicles. easy match
R2: 2-0 gb rock. it was my buddy and i knew the deck.
R3: split but won first place packs.
wound up winning a mox amber. got a karn and lyra in my packs.
SS - only 6 people again.
R1: 0-2 vampires. just wasn't drawing anything.
R2: 2-0 gw cats. she just kept saying how bad of a player she was. just didn't try.
R3: 2-1 rg dinos. top deck approach is nuts. especially when you don't expect it.
overall, i'm liking bant approach. i feel that it might need something but i'm not really sure. i did see someone play a UW list that didn't have approach but seemed like gas. i think it was the flash deck.
i'll have to test that out. i really liked teferi a lot in the list. i feel like i want to increase my settle and fumigate +1 each main. i'm kinda like "i don't need a counter spell mainboard"
what do you guys think the reason for this is?
have u guys been taking out your approaches in this new meta?
UBRWGHumansUBRWG
UMerfolkU
Eldrazi Tron
Legacy
WDeath & TaxesW
Pauper
RGoblinsR
EDH
UGMerfolk ComboGU
Standard
UWApproachWU
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Thanks to SB4 at High~Light Studios for the awsome sig
is has exactly 1 way to win maindeck and it's 1 Gideon
wow that deck needs manlands
How do people still have doubts about Teferi?
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Would love e to compare lists and sb options. 😀
I am starting to see a lot of Brontodons -- which you would think would be bad for a deck that relies on up to 10 enchantment-based removal spells -- but more often than not, the creature you got rid of with the Seal Away on T2/3 is actually worse than the 3/4 Brontodon, so they wait until they can free up a Benalish Crusade dude, or Hazoret or something like that and that gives you the time you need to win. I haven't played against BW Knights yet, but I am not worried about anything else I've run across yet.
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i did the fumigate cut for the 2nd teferi and then realized i needed the fumigate so i put it in the board. i really feel like putting it back in. i have a 4th settle coming hopefully this week so i might make that change. how has the settle/compass cuts been? have you been missing them? i put more checklands in to help get that since i really never wanted sanctums in the list. they just felt bad late game.
hows your sb? i'm kinda iffy on mine. been taking all sorts of approach lists and trying to merge some 15 cards together.
3 syncopate
1 gideon of the trials
3 lyra dawnbringer
2 carnage tyrant
1 fumigate
4 negate
like i said, the fumigate is gonna go back in the main so that frees up one card.
You are definitely right about needing the 3rd Fumigate in the MD. I don't know what your meta is like, but I've got a lot of decks going low and wide as hard and fast as they can so cutting a wrath just feels super wrong to me. And this is why I am not comfortable about cutting Spring -- if your oppo has Shalai your Settles are dead (especially if he's smart enough to hold it back and keep is away from your seals), so you need to Spring on T3 into Fumigate on T4 (hopefully). And cutting a Spring makes that less likely.
My board is pretty much all over the place too, but the core pieces are the same as yours.
[card]3 Negate
3 Lyra
1 Nezahal (I really like this card)
2 Desert's Hold
3 Naturalize (there are no many good targets for this right now)
1 Unferi
2 Flex[/card]
The flex slot could be a lot of things. It rally depends on what looks like it's problematic as the meta evolves. Right now I like Spyglass, another Binding and Commit//Memory. I also think we may want more GY hate. The R and RU GPG deck can be very fast and it can win out of nowhere.
There's a 5-0 list from yesterday that is interesting. It's quite different from Davis. There are a few weird decisions in the list like the Grow from the Ashes and the Hostile Desert, but I've always been fond of the Gift of Paradise.
It's about 2/3rds of the way down the page at: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/competitive-standard-constructed-league-2018-05-14
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i'll definitely keep all that stuff in mind. i do like spyglass too. just need to find the ones i have. i like your reasonings behind things too. thanks! i've been testing blink of an eye instead of essence scatter and seem to like it a lot.
i have been thinking of axing search for azcanta. i seem to be siding it out in a lot of matchups and i know that it's helpful but i feel like there's better options out there. but that might be wrong. still new to this deck (and standard in general).
Thanks!
I'm going to test Blink in those slots too. I'm not super excited about Scatter. Even if your oppo knows you have them, they probably know you don't have many so it's never the right play to worry about them. You just go hard and try to get there and if they have one of their two scatters then they do. The math says you gamble, so you do. besides...the mono W player I lost to on Monday was running Sram's Expertise into the Benalish dude so I couldn't counter him even if I wanted to. If I was going to run MD counters I'd have to look at Negate, Disallow or Syncopate. I think we have enough board management for the creatures anyway.
I'd keep the SfA. We have very little to do on T2 and scrying every turn has helped my mana development or helped me find key pieces. You may want to side it out against Aggro, but I think you want to keep in in the deck.