Theres already one something like this somewhere. And MY EYES where are the decktags? Your only win condition is the Niv-Mizzet and this is a big NO NO. What happens if the gets cranial extracted or even putrefied?
Hmm? No, I win by attacking with a Courier. Nivvie is just there to draw me more cards and get me closer to the Courier.
Indeed you do. Behold the power of the 1/1 Thought Courier.
With all his might the Courier is able to take down his opponents with his incredible power and toughness. Even though he is a mere 1/1, he could do 20 points of damage by actually swinging 20 turns.
Ok.. seriously you need something like Keiga/Meloku or watsoever that could fit
i was thinking smth about it. and i thought maindmoil would be perfect
As incoherent as this post was, I'd have to say that you are trying to suggest Mindmoil for the deck, which is an awful card that should rarely if ever see play in Magic.
What? How? When? Why? What do you mean? Ouch is this spam?
Actually I would prefer running Mindmoil over Teferi's Puzzlebox for the obvious reasons.
I'm guessing those reasons are that it is an overpriced card that doesn't really do anything on its own other than not allow you to plan ahead with your countermagic and removal and that it does some fancy trick with a 6 CC color-intensive legend that dies to Char and Putrefy.
I'm guessing those reasons are that it is an overpriced card that doesn't really do anything on its own other than not allow you to plan ahead with your countermagic and removal and that it does some fancy trick with a 6 CC color-intensive legend that dies to Char and Putrefy.
That is why I am suggesting more win conditions for these decks. Seriously I have no idea why people would build a whole deck revolving a single card. These deck are seriously fun normally but it would never be a competitive deck unless something happens because there are too many weak points and too many creature kills around.
That is why I am suggesting more win conditions for these decks. Seriously I have no idea why people would build a whole deck revolving a single card. These deck are seriously fun normally but it would never be a competitive deck unless something happens because there are too many weak points and too many creature kills around.
There's all too much efficient enchantment hate running around, especially with the emergence of Greater Gifts and GhaziGlare as the best decks. I'd personally stay away from suboptimal enchantments in this metagame, and even more once Guildpact and its amazing Leylines and Mortify enters the metagame.
Jace on the other hand gives you card advantage for no life cost. On the contrary, Jace can actually take some damage for you. I'd think that makes him better than Arena.
Jace on the other hand gives you card advantage for no life cost. On the contrary, Jace can actually take some damage for you. I'd think that makes him better than Arena.
Quite possibly. It did get second place at Worlds and such. Are you experiencing any other kind of amnesia?
According to many people I know, they said Greater Gifts only got to such a position because it was an unexpected deck. But I would say that Ghazi-Glare or CMU is one of the best IMO.
Second place at Worlds, eh? That of course must make it Tier one, despite it's bad showings all over Modo, and it's extreme disruptability...
The most recent Extended deck to achieve multiple first places is Reanimator. Good showings and bad showings on MODO don't mean anything. As for easy disruptability, everything is extremely disruptable, as long as you know how to.
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According to many people I know, they said Greater Gifts only got to such a position because it was an unexpected deck. But I would say that Ghazi-Glare or CMU is one of the best IMO.
I know a person who believes that his 5-color dragon deck is an amazing deck. I reasonably lack faith in your sources.
The most recent Extended deck to achieve multiple first places is Reanimator. Good showings and bad showings on MODO don't mean anything.
Are you serious? You really believe that? If thats true, then why in the world do Jushi Blue and GW Ghazi Glare keep consistantly winning? After all, if they don't mean much, they shouldn't be clearly outlining what we know fo the metagame as of now so well, should it?
Jace on the other hand gives you card advantage for no life cost. On the contrary, Jace can actually take some damage for you. I'd think that makes him better than Arena.
Are you serious? You really believe that? If thats true, then why in the world do Jushi Blue and GW Ghazi Glare keep consistantly winning? After all, if they don't mean much, they shouldn't be clearly outlining what we know fo the metagame as of now so well, should it?
"Metagame" is a very tough word to throw around in any conversation as to the reliability of a deck to do well. Although one may see GhaziGlare and Jushi Blue doing well online, it is impossible to know if those same decks are doing just as well at the smaller level, such as at FNMs and other, more local tournaments. However, considering that the entire point of my original post that led to your childish endeavor to try to disprove only part of my ideas for the deck, you have furthur compounded that GhaziGlare is the all-knowing god of the universe, alongside Jushi Blue, anywhere and everywhere. However, this still leads me to the same conclusion that I had originally come to, in that people are hating on enchantments and that poor enchantments don't deserve to see the light of day. So instead of trying to help defend the original argument that led you to this wild tangent, you in fact helped me to lead on to the same conclusion, in that Mindmoil in any deck in a bad idea.
If you decide to "tl;dr" the above paragraph, the basic ideas I expressed were that even if your precious yet skewed MODO metagame is the only one to ever follow when designing decks, you have not helped the argument to favor the use of Mindmoil in decks.
"Metagame" is a very tough word to throw around in any conversation as to the reliability of a deck to do well.
Not, actually, not really. The metagame is generally used to as a world-wide term, meaning what is going to do well consitantly all around. As of yet, Greater Good Gifts IS NOT having good showings, despite it's placing in Worlds, where it was mostly a 'one hit-wonder,' as a lot of decks seem to be in the Japanese world.
Although one may see GhaziGlare and Jushi Blue doing well online, it is impossible to know if those same decks are doing just as well at the smaller level, such as at FNMs and other, more local tournaments.
Since when do metagames of FNM's really matter? And no, actually, Jushi Blue and Ghazi glare are going to be played, inevitably, in FNM's, where many scrubs just copy the decks and buy them. If you can't understand this, I really don't know what to say.
However, considering that the entire point of my original post that led to your childish endeavor to try to disprove only part of my ideas for the deck, you have furthur compounded that GhaziGlare is the all-knowing god of the universe, alongside Jushi Blue, anywhere and everywhere.
No, I only argued because I don't think it is right to give false information to someone about a deck that realy is not even tier 1.5. Saying that there is 'alot of enchantment hate going around,' is actually, largely false. The only real thing that consistantly hoses Enchantments are Seed Sparks, and, hey, guess what? They are ran in Ghazi Glare! Nobody is really trying to hate out Greater Goods, save the random Graverobber or Shred Memory as random points.
As an aside, YOU decided to carry the argument further than it should have gone. You could have just decided to take what I said at face value, and let it be, but you decided to argue the very same point you seem to be trying to use against me, as useless arguing. Ironic, huh?
However, this still leads me to the same conclusion that I had originally come to, in that people are hating on enchantments and that poor enchantments don't deserve to see the light of day.
Enchanments are being hated on? Since when? FYI, the main reason people run Seed Spark is to kill artifacts like Jitte or Searchlight, as well as the Saps. It just happens to have the side effect of being a good, solid mirror match card, as well.
And I don't see where you try to downgrade all enchantments because there is hate out there. There is OODLES of hate out there for creatures, but does that mean playing creatures is bad? I would hope not.
Besides, you also fail to realize that this is the DFC section, meaning that they expect more of you than simply telling them to basically cut a card, 'because,' with no reasonaing whatsoever, and then insulting them, instead of trying to ask them to try to be more coherent in the future.
So instead of trying to help defend the original argument that led you to this wild tangent, you in fact helped me to lead on to the same conclusion, in that Mindmoil in any deck in a bad idea.
Wild tangent? In what way? I was simply stating that Greater Goods was not tier one, and, as a consequence, enchaments aren't really on the number one hit list because of it. Now, you deciding to waste time and tell me this, as opposed to just letting it be, shows something.
If you decide to "tl;dr" the above paragraph, the basic ideas I expressed were that even if your precious yet skewed MODO metagame is the only one to ever follow when designing decks, you have not helped the argument to favor the use of Mindmoil in decks.
Since when are the MODO results skewed? Do you still believe that Greater Gifts is tier one, or not?
And besides, that was not your point in arguing with me, at all. Your reason for arguing with me is I challenged something you though was fact, and decided to carry it on from there.
Jace on the other hand gives you card advantage for no life cost. On the contrary, Jace can actually take some damage for you. I'd think that makes him better than Arena.
I just read the MODO metagame thread, and Greater Gifts is making more of a showing than Ub Control. I'm sorry that I started an argument with you before I checked to make sure whether or not your information was valid.
I just read the MODO metagame thread, and Greater Gifts is making more of a showing than Ub Control. I'm sorry that I started an argument with you before I checked to make sure whether or not your information was valid.
Ah, yes, it is so blatantly obvious that Greater Good is getting more places than UB. *Smacks forhead*. Damn, I should really try reading some more before I argue with you...
Jace on the other hand gives you card advantage for no life cost. On the contrary, Jace can actually take some damage for you. I'd think that makes him better than Arena.
Ah, yes, it is so blatantly obvious that Greater Good is getting more places than UB. *Smacks forhead*. Damn, I should really try reading some more before I argue with you...
Please learn to read before arguing....
Ub Control has existed longer than Greater Gifts. Read the MODO thread, which is quite amazingly on these very forums. That's like telling me that Friggorid is a bad deck because it has less T8s than a bunch of decks.
4 Steam Vents (Izzet dual)
4 Shivan Reef
6 Island
6 Mountain
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
3 Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
4 Thought Courier
4 Teferi's Puzzle Box
4 Terrarion
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Seething Song
4 Ideas Unbound
4 Compulsive Research
4 Izzet Signet
4 Char
4 Smash
4 Pithing Needle
2 Defensive Grid
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Indeed you do. Behold the power of the 1/1 Thought Courier.
With all his might the Courier is able to take down his opponents with his incredible power and toughness. Even though he is a mere 1/1, he could do 20 points of damage by actually swinging 20 turns.
Ok.. seriously you need something like Keiga/Meloku or watsoever that could fit
Is that really your plan? Because without countermagic (or a second viable win condition) these cards are all ready to poo on your parade:
Wrath of God
Putrefy
Last Gasp
Darkblast
Shock
Char
Lightning Helix
Rend Flesh
Blaze
Devouring Light
Pacifism
Faith's Fetters
Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
Umezawa's Jitte
And that's just what came off the top of my head.
As incoherent as this post was, I'd have to say that you are trying to suggest Mindmoil for the deck, which is an awful card that should rarely if ever see play in Magic.
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Actually I would prefer running Mindmoil over Teferi's Puzzlebox for the obvious reasons.
Well you certainly do not want them keep digging into their library and end up with some destroy creature effect to take care of Niv-Mizzet do you?
I'm guessing those reasons are that it is an overpriced card that doesn't really do anything on its own other than not allow you to plan ahead with your countermagic and removal and that it does some fancy trick with a 6 CC color-intensive legend that dies to Char and Putrefy.
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That is why I am suggesting more win conditions for these decks. Seriously I have no idea why people would build a whole deck revolving a single card. These deck are seriously fun normally but it would never be a competitive deck unless something happens because there are too many weak points and too many creature kills around.
There's all too much efficient enchantment hate running around, especially with the emergence of Greater Gifts and GhaziGlare as the best decks. I'd personally stay away from suboptimal enchantments in this metagame, and even more once Guildpact and its amazing Leylines and Mortify enters the metagame.
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Quite possibly. It did get second place at Worlds and such. Are you experiencing any other kind of amnesia?
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According to many people I know, they said Greater Gifts only got to such a position because it was an unexpected deck. But I would say that Ghazi-Glare or CMU is one of the best IMO.
The most recent Extended deck to achieve multiple first places is Reanimator. Good showings and bad showings on MODO don't mean anything. As for easy disruptability, everything is extremely disruptable, as long as you know how to.
I know a person who believes that his 5-color dragon deck is an amazing deck. I reasonably lack faith in your sources.
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Are you serious? You really believe that? If thats true, then why in the world do Jushi Blue and GW Ghazi Glare keep consistantly winning? After all, if they don't mean much, they shouldn't be clearly outlining what we know fo the metagame as of now so well, should it?
"Metagame" is a very tough word to throw around in any conversation as to the reliability of a deck to do well. Although one may see GhaziGlare and Jushi Blue doing well online, it is impossible to know if those same decks are doing just as well at the smaller level, such as at FNMs and other, more local tournaments. However, considering that the entire point of my original post that led to your childish endeavor to try to disprove only part of my ideas for the deck, you have furthur compounded that GhaziGlare is the all-knowing god of the universe, alongside Jushi Blue, anywhere and everywhere. However, this still leads me to the same conclusion that I had originally come to, in that people are hating on enchantments and that poor enchantments don't deserve to see the light of day. So instead of trying to help defend the original argument that led you to this wild tangent, you in fact helped me to lead on to the same conclusion, in that Mindmoil in any deck in a bad idea.
If you decide to "tl;dr" the above paragraph, the basic ideas I expressed were that even if your precious yet skewed MODO metagame is the only one to ever follow when designing decks, you have not helped the argument to favor the use of Mindmoil in decks.
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Not, actually, not really. The metagame is generally used to as a world-wide term, meaning what is going to do well consitantly all around. As of yet, Greater Good Gifts IS NOT having good showings, despite it's placing in Worlds, where it was mostly a 'one hit-wonder,' as a lot of decks seem to be in the Japanese world.
Since when do metagames of FNM's really matter? And no, actually, Jushi Blue and Ghazi glare are going to be played, inevitably, in FNM's, where many scrubs just copy the decks and buy them. If you can't understand this, I really don't know what to say.
No, I only argued because I don't think it is right to give false information to someone about a deck that realy is not even tier 1.5. Saying that there is 'alot of enchantment hate going around,' is actually, largely false. The only real thing that consistantly hoses Enchantments are Seed Sparks, and, hey, guess what? They are ran in Ghazi Glare! Nobody is really trying to hate out Greater Goods, save the random Graverobber or Shred Memory as random points.
As an aside, YOU decided to carry the argument further than it should have gone. You could have just decided to take what I said at face value, and let it be, but you decided to argue the very same point you seem to be trying to use against me, as useless arguing. Ironic, huh?
Enchanments are being hated on? Since when? FYI, the main reason people run Seed Spark is to kill artifacts like Jitte or Searchlight, as well as the Saps. It just happens to have the side effect of being a good, solid mirror match card, as well.
And I don't see where you try to downgrade all enchantments because there is hate out there. There is OODLES of hate out there for creatures, but does that mean playing creatures is bad? I would hope not.
Besides, you also fail to realize that this is the DFC section, meaning that they expect more of you than simply telling them to basically cut a card, 'because,' with no reasonaing whatsoever, and then insulting them, instead of trying to ask them to try to be more coherent in the future.
Wild tangent? In what way? I was simply stating that Greater Goods was not tier one, and, as a consequence, enchaments aren't really on the number one hit list because of it. Now, you deciding to waste time and tell me this, as opposed to just letting it be, shows something.
Since when are the MODO results skewed? Do you still believe that Greater Gifts is tier one, or not?
And besides, that was not your point in arguing with me, at all. Your reason for arguing with me is I challenged something you though was fact, and decided to carry it on from there.
I just read the MODO metagame thread, and Greater Gifts is making more of a showing than Ub Control. I'm sorry that I started an argument with you before I checked to make sure whether or not your information was valid.
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Ub Control - 25 t8s, 2 wins
GW(b) Glare - 16 t8s, 3 wins
RW Aggro - 14 t8s, 1 win
Fungus Fire - 14 t8s, 3 wins
UGB Aggro - 10 t8s
Critical Mass/Update - 8 t8s, 1 win
GB Aggro/Control - 8 t8s, 1 win
Gifts Variants (includes Wild Gifts, Greater Gifts, Standard Gifts) - 5 t8s
Emminent Domain - 3 t8s
Heartbeat - 3 t8s
Ah, yes, it is so blatantly obvious that Greater Good is getting more places than UB. *Smacks forhead*. Damn, I should really try reading some more before I argue with you...
Please learn to read before arguing....
Ub Control has existed longer than Greater Gifts. Read the MODO thread, which is quite amazingly on these very forums. That's like telling me that Friggorid is a bad deck because it has less T8s than a bunch of decks.
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