so lets just assume that raffinity dies on tuesday, where does the format go from there? will there still be just a few decks on top? will there be the diversity wizrds hopes for? will the format continue with current popular decks, or will new ones rise from the ranks? discuss
but affinity wont be as powerful as is it now, so affinity will become tier 2. i think that mono black control and ww could be the next good decks in the scene.
Unless R&D notices this now and does somehting about it, Tooth and Nail will dominate the format like Affinity is now. That's why people have said that something from TNN mightget banned too. Why kill off one giant just to let another loose?
TNN wont dominate anything.. removing affinity from the top will just let the other decks devote a little more hate against the new "best deck" wich wil more then likley be TNN. I think its 50/50 chanse that raffinity is going to die heavy style...
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Affinity won't die... how often have i said that now? 100 times? Disciple of the Vault and Cranial Plating will get banned i'm very sure of that... so Raffinity will NOT die! They'll just play Shrapnel Blast and something else main again...
WW died now.. It cant compete anymore.. it only existted in competitive t2 because of the lack of MRC and the fact that it had a very good game against affinity.. now that affinity is dead and MRC might come back WW is dead meat.
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I'm totally playing Red Deck Wins. It can outrace TnN and get past the defense of any control deck that isn't heavy White. Not so good against anything running a lot of White, unfortunately. However, white doesn't look to be all that popular yet, so hopefully my plan will work ok. It even has some game against Black/Green.
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BG will outright smash RDW or MRC face.. big time.. And I think MWC might be back in action.. and with new tech like shing shoal, MRC is gonna have a hard time ^^
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I wonder how many have so quickly forgotten about UG control? It has know gained some open slots in the maindeck and sideboard. With those cards it still rocked non-affinity decks. I have to like UG controls chances right now in the post affinity standard.
I havent forgotten UG control.. I just got beat by it apparantly UW control is pwned by UG control :/ stupid mana boost :/
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UG rolls over to any early creature rush, and with a new red aggro deck and a newer WW in the format, it simply can't sustain itself unless it finds some new tricks.
ahem, as many people as they want can work on UW control. Besides that deck always kicked butt, it should dominate perfectly. I guess i traded for those wraths at just the right time.
UB Ninja has shown to be rather butt-kicking, at least around here. It could reliably take out Big Red, and even beat up Raffinity, mostly due to Disciples mainboarded. Now those slots can be used to further stave off T&N or Big Red.
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The main decks like it looks now are: TNN, UG and UB.
Decks that may rise: Ponza, RDW, MRC, WW, UW , monoU
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Are there even Rogue decks nowadays? Unless you've got some way to counter all of the control decks that'll arise, RDW, and WW, there isn't a Rogue deck. Hokori owns TNN, but thatas about it.
Personally I'm sticking with the same decks. Theres ALOT of casual around here so the meta isn't a big deal.
well I see people are predicting a surge in Aggro in this post ban enviroment, so may I suggest MBC? If it works right Kokusho pimp slaps your opponent in the late game or mid game if manna accel is present.
Personally i think in this post affinity would we'll see a shift into a more control based format, with the already powerful decks of b/g cloud, u/g control and mono u control leading the way. white control decks will probably also make a comeback with creature kill again being more important than artifact kill, i'm think u/w as a strong contender. another possible strong deck is mono b control, with the loss of raffinity and the gains of sickening shoal, horobi's whisper and yukora the prisoner from BoK it has the potential to be a real contender. R/G and mono R land D decks will also make a comeback.
1 deck that i haven't mentioned is tooth'n'nail, this is because it is pretty thoroughly hosed by cranial extraction, sowing salt and quash and now that affinity is gone all other decks will have more room in the sideboards and maindecks for tooth hatred. also a lot of tooths early game was based on disrupting raffinity(oxidize/viridian shaman). and if as i believe control deck become rampant tooth is in for a bad time, if any form of tooth survives in this new environment it'll be much weaker and possibly very different(shaman tooth maybe?) and most certainly not tier 1 material.
My personal pick for best deck in the new format is mono U control(i may be slightly biased though since this is also my favorite deck type). This is because monoU's maindeck shackles, oblivion stones and artifact creature manlands will no longer have to struggle with the massive amount of maindeck artifact hate which existed in a raffinity environment. Also the demise of raffinity means monoU no longer has to run maindecked annuls and relic barriers and no longer needs sideboarded march of the machines, this means monoU can devote those slots to more hard counters/draw etc.
if tooth and nail survives it will be a control tooth varient.
Mono U will be def a tier 1 deck i have to trade for the parts for it again. shackels i'll have to e-bay up but otehr than that its all good.
Tooth and Nail, as well as big red will be huge. Sowing salt and eradicate screw tooth and nail. A control deck maybe would be good. Or even White Winey.Any other sugestions would be helpful.
Well, imo there are two possible scenrios for the post banning world.
Contro Meta-
Early on, Mono U control, Tooth and Nail, BG Death Cloud (ITS NOT THE ROCK DAMN IT!), and Mono B control start dominating the format. All were decent before, without affinity they should be better. Tooth and Nail will be the weaker of the 4 since it is hated out, but the rest should have little problem dominating the white weenie and red decks that come up. In response to this, Ponza (yes, that ponza) actually manages to do well, As control decks need their land, and ponza now has the most weapons its had ever. Of course, even ponza cannot really stop the control decks, and they still manage to put up nice showings.
THe other possiblity, though less likely is...
Aggro Meta-
Early on, Red decks rule and make T&N a horrible choice. Then Weenie decks such as WW and some form of a red deck rule the format. Everyone believes the format will be slower and these decks will take advantage of their beliefs.
Later, these decks continue to rule as people realize that they'll probably be around after mirrodin rotates out.
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The control meta is far more likely imo, and bg control, mono b control, and mono u are able to handle weenie decks decently. Interstingly, UG stops really becoming force imo no matter what happens, as the only benefit of G now is eternal witness, and the artifact destruction is pretty much useless. GB Mono-U and Mono B decks arise from what used to be these decks, as they have far more weapons in the current meta.
Thats my two cents, anyhow.
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Most ppl in here think people is stupid enough to take out their artifact hate out?
Now that affinity has gone there will be much more to be hated. Eveyone will start playing crazy combo decks like proteuss-belcher, papnoptic mirror, isochron, thought dissector or other bombs like the swords, THE JITE, the swords, OS, Mindslavers -> ETC . Come on do you really think you are really that stupid? Then what makes you think your opponent is?
Usually these kind of communities are developed for a purpose but everyone wants to keep on their little good "strategies" while they are looking around for anything new that might "help" them. The result a mediocre meta.
Want two cents? Keep your Viridian Shamans maindeck if playing G and one or two annul withwont hurt either (is playing U..D'uh!).
Sure there will be people who are stupid for that reason you should play artifacts also.
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Why?
UG rolls over to any early creature rush, and with a new red aggro deck and a newer WW in the format, it simply can't sustain itself unless it finds some new tricks.
I am working on UW Control.
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Personally I'm sticking with the same decks. Theres ALOT of casual around here so the meta isn't a big deal.
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1 deck that i haven't mentioned is tooth'n'nail, this is because it is pretty thoroughly hosed by cranial extraction, sowing salt and quash and now that affinity is gone all other decks will have more room in the sideboards and maindecks for tooth hatred. also a lot of tooths early game was based on disrupting raffinity(oxidize/viridian shaman). and if as i believe control deck become rampant tooth is in for a bad time, if any form of tooth survives in this new environment it'll be much weaker and possibly very different(shaman tooth maybe?) and most certainly not tier 1 material.
My personal pick for best deck in the new format is mono U control(i may be slightly biased though since this is also my favorite deck type). This is because monoU's maindeck shackles, oblivion stones and artifact creature manlands will no longer have to struggle with the massive amount of maindeck artifact hate which existed in a raffinity environment. Also the demise of raffinity means monoU no longer has to run maindecked annuls and relic barriers and no longer needs sideboarded march of the machines, this means monoU can devote those slots to more hard counters/draw etc.
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Mono U will be def a tier 1 deck i have to trade for the parts for it again. shackels i'll have to e-bay up but otehr than that its all good.
Contro Meta-
Early on, Mono U control, Tooth and Nail, BG Death Cloud (ITS NOT THE ROCK DAMN IT!), and Mono B control start dominating the format. All were decent before, without affinity they should be better. Tooth and Nail will be the weaker of the 4 since it is hated out, but the rest should have little problem dominating the white weenie and red decks that come up. In response to this, Ponza (yes, that ponza) actually manages to do well, As control decks need their land, and ponza now has the most weapons its had ever. Of course, even ponza cannot really stop the control decks, and they still manage to put up nice showings.
THe other possiblity, though less likely is...
Aggro Meta-
Early on, Red decks rule and make T&N a horrible choice. Then Weenie decks such as WW and some form of a red deck rule the format. Everyone believes the format will be slower and these decks will take advantage of their beliefs.
Later, these decks continue to rule as people realize that they'll probably be around after mirrodin rotates out.
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The control meta is far more likely imo, and bg control, mono b control, and mono u are able to handle weenie decks decently. Interstingly, UG stops really becoming force imo no matter what happens, as the only benefit of G now is eternal witness, and the artifact destruction is pretty much useless. GB Mono-U and Mono B decks arise from what used to be these decks, as they have far more weapons in the current meta.
Thats my two cents, anyhow.
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Most ppl in here think people is stupid enough to take out their artifact hate out?
Now that affinity has gone there will be much more to be hated. Eveyone will start playing crazy combo decks like proteuss-belcher, papnoptic mirror, isochron, thought dissector or other bombs like the swords, THE JITE, the swords, OS, Mindslavers -> ETC . Come on do you really think you are really that stupid? Then what makes you think your opponent is?
Usually these kind of communities are developed for a purpose but everyone wants to keep on their little good "strategies" while they are looking around for anything new that might "help" them. The result a mediocre meta.
Want two cents? Keep your Viridian Shamans maindeck if playing G and one or two annul withwont hurt either (is playing U..D'uh!).
Sure there will be people who are stupid for that reason you should play artifacts also.
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