The $80 is probably a spike because of the SCG open. However, this Jace is seeing play in literally every format and I do not see the price going below $40-$50 again. This Jace, hailing from a set that was not featured for very long the demand will clearly outweigh the supply so he will always be expensive. We should all welcome this new JTMS and regret not buying him when he was cheaper. I traded mine away when they were worth $30 and every traded him for $25 because I'm nice. That was the biggest MTG mistake I've ever made.
His $80 price tag vs $40 price tag, is very much a reflection of the opening week of a rotation and competitive events like SCG. He will settle back down in price, his current price tag is not as much of a reflection of his multi-format play-ability like people seem to think.
It is just a rotational surge in purchases driving up the price to where it currently is.
I know MTGO prices rarely line up with paper prices, but he has been sitting at that price on MTGO for a while and it is a clear indication of paper purchases skyrocketing and not MTGO purchases - this makes it pretty evident that it is not eternal formats driving the price up that high.
I traded mine away when they were worth $30 and every traded him for $25 because I'm nice. That was the biggest MTG mistake I've ever made.
Try trading it away when he was $12.
I don't see the big fuss. I can kill it before it transforms. He takes at least a turn to transform.
Could somone explain?
Tarmogoyf dies to removal too. So does Dark Confidant. Sometimes they both come in and die before they can do anything. Jace costs 2 mana and is able to take over and win games by itself if it sticks around. It is also played in Modern and Legacy. Do you understand why it is strong?
Well, the power of the card is undeniable in standard and will hold a silly price for his duration.
I know that some people have been toying with him in modern, but I have yet too see any shell that has put up consistent results,
which leads the initial speculation that Jace is probably too slow and/or inefficient. Of course, there have not been enough tournament's
to accurately judge if it will slot into modern, so I will wait for another few months at least before I draw my conclusion.
As for other formats....Not a clue!
His $80 price tag vs $40 price tag, is very much a reflection of the opening week of a rotation and competitive events like SCG. He will settle back down in price, his current price tag is not as much of a reflection of his multi-format play-ability like people seem to think.
I'm not saying that the price is derived solely from it's multi format play ability, but it does absolutely help. He is also being played in multiple archetypes in this current standard format. This will cause a problem for the time being. I mean pick him up whenever but there have been pro's that are calling him the "best Jace ever" which will also cause people to pick them up. Eventually, there won't be as many available.
What price do you see him settling down to? This is the most expensive, non-foil, card to see standard play in a while. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns Origins into Dragon's Maze where the value lies in one or two "good" cards.
I traded mine away when they were worth $30 and every traded him for $25 because I'm nice. That was the biggest MTG mistake I've ever made.
Try trading it away when he was $12.
I don't see the big fuss. I can kill it before it transforms. He takes at least a turn to transform.
Could somone explain?
Tarmogoyf dies to removal too. So does Dark Confidant. Sometimes they both come in and die before they can do anything. Jace costs 2 mana and is able to take over and win games by itself if it sticks around. It is also played in Modern and Legacy. Do you understand why it is strong?
No need to be condescending. Jeez, I just didn't understand, because I just killed him on sight with Wasteland Strangler.
As I type, I just got beaten by a Jace I didn't kill, so I understand it's power now.
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His $80 price tag vs $40 price tag, is very much a reflection of the opening week of a rotation and competitive events like SCG. He will settle back down in price, his current price tag is not as much of a reflection of his multi-format play-ability like people seem to think.
I'm not saying that the price is derived solely from it's multi format play ability, but it does absolutely help. He is also being played in multiple archetypes in this current standard format. This will cause a problem for the time being. I mean pick him up whenever but there have been pro's that are calling him the "best Jace ever" which will also cause people to pick them up. Eventually, there won't be as many available.
What price do you see him settling down to? This is the most expensive, non-foil, card to see standard play in a while. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns Origins into Dragon's Maze where the value lies in one or two "good" cards.
Calling him the best Jace ever, is pretty bold considering the card is a dependent card where JTMS is a independent card. But anyways...
I see him settling down at about $45 until he rotates, at which point he declines to about $25, maybe $30.
As I stated in another thread, the problem is that he is a dependent card and if Standard rotatin has drove a +$40 price tack on to his previous price tag, I think people are going to quickly realize how polar the removal is compared to just before Jace rotated and I think the is going to be a big reason why is is going to be unable to sustain his current price tag. The removal is just not good enough to be spending 3 loyalty to get a spell back in the majority of cases. There are going to be outliers, where cards that are already X for 1's are going to repeat for really good value. But Narset Transcendent already did this and it was not enough to make her playable on the big stage. Jace can come down earlier, but you still have to have more realistic targets than what you already have in order to make it worth the loyalty cost. Aggro decks are at the advantage of staying just as low to the ground and have incredible bust damage right now that his +1 is not as efficient as it would be if the removal surrounding Jace was half-way as efficient as it was.
He is a dependent card and his price is going to continue reflecting that as it has since his inception.
Don't get me wrong, the card is powerful and I remember having to work hard to convince people it was when it was first spoiled - particularly for the purposes of Pro Tour Vancouver. I am not one to really underestimate the power of this card. I am however, one to be quite critical of what it is and what it does and why it works the way it works.
Jace is played in every single format right now. And I do mean literally every format.
Bottom line it is a 2 mana walker that is better than his 3-4 mana versions. He is going to hold his price for a long time. Price memory is going to lock him in high.
Jace is played in every single format right now. And I do mean literally every format.
Bottom line it is a 2 mana walker that is better than his 3-4 mana versions. He is going to hold his price for a long time. Price memory is going to lock him in high.
You do not play eternal formats do you?
Jace is hardly a staple in Vintage or Legacy, and in fact, the decks that aimed to really take advantage of him were using him to power the card that just got axed to hell and back in those formats.
The only format in which there is high demand for this card, is Standard.
Eternal formats are not driving the price of this card to the absurdity that is his current tag. He is a 1 of or maybe a 2 of card in those formats and various competitive blue decks still do not even use him.
This response is laughable and it seems to be used by many people who do not regularly play those formats with any sort of depth.
I traded mine away when they were worth $30 and every traded him for $25 because I'm nice. That was the biggest MTG mistake I've ever made.
Try trading it away when he was $12.
I don't see the big fuss. I can kill it before it transforms. He takes at least a turn to transform.
Could somone explain?
I traded my pre-release one for piledriver lol on the plus side i then went on and won 5 tournaments in a row (at my LGS) with my atarka goblin deck then everyone caught up after origins was released.
Jace is played in every single format right now. And I do mean literally every format.
Bottom line it is a 2 mana walker that is better than his 3-4 mana versions. He is going to hold his price for a long time. Price memory is going to lock him in high.
You do not play eternal formats do you?
Jace is hardly a staple in Vintage or Legacy, and in fact, the decks that aimed to really take advantage of him were using him to power the card that just got axed to hell and back in those formats.
The only format in which there is high demand for this card, is Standard.
Eternal formats are not driving the price of this card to the absurdity that is his current tag. He is a 1 of or maybe a 2 of card in those formats and various competitive blue decks still do not even use him.
This response is laughable and it seems to be used by many people who do not regularly play those formats with any sort of depth.
A lot of people aren't aware that Standard has massive value spikes like this because of the limited card pool people are stuck with in the format. In modern, cards start off cheap and slowly grow in price as the years pass by, which is why it's deathly important that if anyone wants to get fetch lands they have to get them now, because they are going to climb and not really stop until they are around the same prices as the other ones, which is around 40-50 usd a pop.
This jace will drop in price for sure. He is playable, but he's no liliana of the Veil. Liliana is a freak of nature that happens once in a decade.
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While he was played in every format he wasn't heavily played in every format, Jace took a while to take off in legacy. When he was peaking in standard he was still fringe legacy card seeing about as much play as mind break trap at the time.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
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(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
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I traded mine away when they were worth $30 and every traded him for $25 because I'm nice. That was the biggest MTG mistake I've ever made.
Try trading it away when he was $12.
I don't see the big fuss. I can kill it before it transforms. He takes at least a turn to transform.
Could somone explain?
Tarmogoyf dies to removal too. So does Dark Confidant. Sometimes they both come in and die before they can do anything. Jace costs 2 mana and is able to take over and win games by itself if it sticks around. It is also played in Modern and Legacy. Do you understand why it is strong?
No need to be condescending. Jeez, I just didn't understand, because I just killed him on sight with Wasteland Strangler.
As I type, I just got beaten by a Jace I didn't kill, so I understand it's power now.
What else do you want dude. You asked why it was good, I told you why it was good in a way that hopefully you would understand. Don't ask questions if you don't want answers.
He's good in standard, possibly playable in modern but he's nothing compared to Snapcaster, LotV, Dark Confidant, or Tarmogoyf, and the decks that would use him might run him as a 1-2 of at most. In legacy he's just plain too slow, and has to compete with his bigger nastier self for space in any deck that really might try to use him as a 3-4 of, and we can all agree he doesn't hold a candle to Jace, the Mind Sculptor.
Origin is a crappy set thats why jace gets more expensive.
Theres no real value beside it, as all the other planeswalkers go down in value and even other playable cards dont get anywhere high at all.
So the value of the set focuses on jace and as hangarback walker gets a print in a event deck, its value is capped aswell, so theres pretty much nothing else left in origin (you can argue Nissa, which is pretty much standard only, same for Liliana).
Ofcourse the value spikes basicly for price mongering, just like any other more expensive magic card.
Its a fine card, especially to squeeze value out of cards in standard. In other formats its not unplayable, but far from an important card, as it still compares to Snapcaster Mage , which is much more usefull in decks that actual want to flashback counterspells and lightning bolts.
As it is, opening Origin Boosters is very bad, so Jace crawls up in value just because nothing else in the set has any.
I knew during spoiler season that Jace was head-and-shoulders above the other planeswalkers. After seeing what BFZ has given us and how the meta is shaking out, I think $80 is a good price and likely where he'll stay. The issue is how good the mana is. Every deck can play 4 Jaces and many of them want to. Or certainly 1 or 2 of them. And the "dies to Doom Blade" argument doesn't really apply here. A 2 mana walker that must be dealt with in a format where removal is bad. The best way to counter a Jace is to play your own. I think anyone that has an argument of why is price is going to come down is trying to convince themselves.
I knew during spoiler season that Jace was head-and-shoulders above the other planeswalkers. After seeing what BFZ has given us and how the meta is shaking out, I think $80 is a good price and likely where he'll stay. The issue is how good the mana is. Every deck can play 4 Jaces and many of them want to. Or certainly 1 or 2 of them. And the "dies to Doom Blade" argument doesn't really apply here. A 2 mana walker that must be dealt with in a format where removal is bad. The best way to counter a Jace is to play your own. I think anyone that has an argument of why is price is going to come down is trying to convince themselves.
Oh yeah, Jace is definitely good, just not as good as other cards that are at the price point he is at right now. Likely he will be one of the better choices available so demand and rarity will play into his cost.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I don't see him being 80 dollars for very long this standard season but he is definitely modern playable and could easily be an 80 dollar card a year or two after rotation.
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I'm just curious if KTK-BFZ is really going to feature so many Jaces?
Try trading it away when he was $12.
I don't see the big fuss. I can kill it before it transforms. He takes at least a turn to transform.
Could somone explain?
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It is just a rotational surge in purchases driving up the price to where it currently is.
I know MTGO prices rarely line up with paper prices, but he has been sitting at that price on MTGO for a while and it is a clear indication of paper purchases skyrocketing and not MTGO purchases - this makes it pretty evident that it is not eternal formats driving the price up that high.
Tarmogoyf dies to removal too. So does Dark Confidant. Sometimes they both come in and die before they can do anything. Jace costs 2 mana and is able to take over and win games by itself if it sticks around. It is also played in Modern and Legacy. Do you understand why it is strong?
I know that some people have been toying with him in modern, but I have yet too see any shell that has put up consistent results,
which leads the initial speculation that Jace is probably too slow and/or inefficient. Of course, there have not been enough tournament's
to accurately judge if it will slot into modern, so I will wait for another few months at least before I draw my conclusion.
As for other formats....Not a clue!
I'm not saying that the price is derived solely from it's multi format play ability, but it does absolutely help. He is also being played in multiple archetypes in this current standard format. This will cause a problem for the time being. I mean pick him up whenever but there have been pro's that are calling him the "best Jace ever" which will also cause people to pick them up. Eventually, there won't be as many available.
What price do you see him settling down to? This is the most expensive, non-foil, card to see standard play in a while. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns Origins into Dragon's Maze where the value lies in one or two "good" cards.
As I type, I just got beaten by a Jace I didn't kill, so I understand it's power now.
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Calling him the best Jace ever, is pretty bold considering the card is a dependent card where JTMS is a independent card. But anyways...
I see him settling down at about $45 until he rotates, at which point he declines to about $25, maybe $30.
As I stated in another thread, the problem is that he is a dependent card and if Standard rotatin has drove a +$40 price tack on to his previous price tag, I think people are going to quickly realize how polar the removal is compared to just before Jace rotated and I think the is going to be a big reason why is is going to be unable to sustain his current price tag. The removal is just not good enough to be spending 3 loyalty to get a spell back in the majority of cases. There are going to be outliers, where cards that are already X for 1's are going to repeat for really good value. But Narset Transcendent already did this and it was not enough to make her playable on the big stage. Jace can come down earlier, but you still have to have more realistic targets than what you already have in order to make it worth the loyalty cost. Aggro decks are at the advantage of staying just as low to the ground and have incredible bust damage right now that his +1 is not as efficient as it would be if the removal surrounding Jace was half-way as efficient as it was.
He is a dependent card and his price is going to continue reflecting that as it has since his inception.
Don't get me wrong, the card is powerful and I remember having to work hard to convince people it was when it was first spoiled - particularly for the purposes of Pro Tour Vancouver. I am not one to really underestimate the power of this card. I am however, one to be quite critical of what it is and what it does and why it works the way it works.
Bottom line it is a 2 mana walker that is better than his 3-4 mana versions. He is going to hold his price for a long time. Price memory is going to lock him in high.
You do not play eternal formats do you?
Jace is hardly a staple in Vintage or Legacy, and in fact, the decks that aimed to really take advantage of him were using him to power the card that just got axed to hell and back in those formats.
The only format in which there is high demand for this card, is Standard.
Eternal formats are not driving the price of this card to the absurdity that is his current tag. He is a 1 of or maybe a 2 of card in those formats and various competitive blue decks still do not even use him.
This response is laughable and it seems to be used by many people who do not regularly play those formats with any sort of depth.
I traded my pre-release one for piledriver lol on the plus side i then went on and won 5 tournaments in a row (at my LGS) with my atarka goblin deck then everyone caught up after origins was released.
A lot of people aren't aware that Standard has massive value spikes like this because of the limited card pool people are stuck with in the format. In modern, cards start off cheap and slowly grow in price as the years pass by, which is why it's deathly important that if anyone wants to get fetch lands they have to get them now, because they are going to climb and not really stop until they are around the same prices as the other ones, which is around 40-50 usd a pop.
This jace will drop in price for sure. He is playable, but he's no liliana of the Veil. Liliana is a freak of nature that happens once in a decade.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Magic Origins/Jace Vryns Prodigy#paper
Look in the section that says Recent Decks Using Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
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Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Once again, you clearly do not actively play those formats if you think eternal formats are what has driven the price up to where it is.
Those are 1 and 2 ofs, and once again - not used in all of the blue decks in those formats. Formats where blue decks come in a wide range of flavors.
Colt47 summed up how formats shape prices of staples, perfectly.
You and many others seem to be suffering from parrot syndrome.
What else do you want dude. You asked why it was good, I told you why it was good in a way that hopefully you would understand. Don't ask questions if you don't want answers.
Both broke the $50 mark in the Delver-dominated standard format.
If this card maintains its $70 price tag I would be very worried about the price future of the format.
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Theres no real value beside it, as all the other planeswalkers go down in value and even other playable cards dont get anywhere high at all.
So the value of the set focuses on jace and as hangarback walker gets a print in a event deck, its value is capped aswell, so theres pretty much nothing else left in origin (you can argue Nissa, which is pretty much standard only, same for Liliana).
Ofcourse the value spikes basicly for price mongering, just like any other more expensive magic card.
Its a fine card, especially to squeeze value out of cards in standard. In other formats its not unplayable, but far from an important card, as it still compares to Snapcaster Mage , which is much more usefull in decks that actual want to flashback counterspells and lightning bolts.
As it is, opening Origin Boosters is very bad, so Jace crawls up in value just because nothing else in the set has any.
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Oh yeah, Jace is definitely good, just not as good as other cards that are at the price point he is at right now. Likely he will be one of the better choices available so demand and rarity will play into his cost.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!