I see your point, Ill have to test it out to see if trying to have either double red and or white black on T3 will be an issue. You cant have all the colors but there are only 2 Siege Rhinos so only the hands there you have both Thunderbreak and Rhino on T3 would be an issue, an issue ill take any day.
Perhaps I could increase the fetch count to 4 heaths to give me more access to white.
I think you want some Bloodstained Mire. A problem with adding colors is that you have to up your percentages on all the colors to keep the screw chances constant (I hope that makes sense).
I think you want something like 11W17G16R12B, at least. That's 56 sources. Veggies is 5 sources, Foothills is 4, Mire and Heath are 3 for your purposes, Rattleclaw is .5R +.5G, Whisperer is .5G. Currently you have 59 sources for nondragons, but only 8B and 10W.
So I agree, the splash seems very doable (even keeping the Havens), but moar fetches!
Rhinos can help with the life loss from the fetches, too. With 12 fetches, you might even be able to cut a Veggie for a Rhino, depending on whether your testing indicates the need for more ramp or more Ferocious enablers
Hey guys, so I tweaked my Naya build a bit more. I'm beginning to realize that every time I do I end up with more Red than White, unlike the original build which was almost purely GW.
Fiery Impulse is amazing. Being able to kill Jace the turn he comes down is very powerful. However, it does veer off a bit in the mid to late game, which is why Radiant Flames comes in to pick up the slack. It clears most things you're worried about and can clear up Hangarback tokens nicely.
All the enchantments have been underperforming a bit for me in the face of Dromoka's Command. Stasis Snare answers Hangarback cleanly but doesn't really get much else that I'm worried about besides Gideon. Quarantine Field often sat dead in my hand, though every time I cast it it was amazing. Definitely worth it in the more grindy matchups, imo.
Tragic Arrogance might be better served as Planar Outburst, though being able to hit noncreature permanents is pretty cool. Jaddi offshoot is there because I hate mono red. Desolation Twin is there against control, since putting an uncounterable 10/10 into play is pretty nifty.
Woodland Wanderer is interesting. It's just a big dummy, but it often eats removal that could be aimed at better threats like Ulamog or Whisperwood and, if unanswered, can take a game by itself. It rumbles over basically every other creature that you could feasibly go up against.
Conduit has been pretty cool, though it's a bit of a nonbo with Whisperwood. I'll probably end up making both of them Sowers if they continue to underperform.
Void Winnower has been the best card in my deck, imo. The thing brings so much value to the table. It lets you attack through cluttered boards with ease and turns off tons of removal. It's surprising how often the card turns around games.
With Hedron Archive in the deck, I've moved down on copies of From Beyond, though I'm keeping an extra one in my side because it's so good against control. You can just sandback Scions and beat face with them and force them to wrath you, then start casting your big stuff while making more.
I see your point, Ill have to test it out to see if trying to have either double red and or white black on T3 will be an issue. You cant have all the colors but there are only 2 Siege Rhinos so only the hands there you have both Thunderbreak and Rhino on T3 would be an issue, an issue ill take any day.
Perhaps I could increase the fetch count to 4 heaths to give me more access to white.
I think you want some Bloodstained Mire. A problem with adding colors is that you have to up your percentages on all the colors to keep the screw chances constant (I hope that makes sense).
I think you want something like 11W17G16R12B, at least. That's 56 sources. Veggies is 5 sources, Foothills is 4, Mire and Heath are 3 for your purposes, Rattleclaw is .5R +.5G, Whisperer is .5G. Currently you have 59 sources for nondragons, but only 8B and 10W.
So I agree, the splash seems very doable (even keeping the Havens), but moar fetches!
Rhinos can help with the life loss from the fetches, too. With 12 fetches, you might even be able to cut a Veggie for a Rhino, depending on whether your testing indicates the need for more ramp or more Ferocious enablers
so what would the 25 land mana base look like to you, what are you thinking about taking out?
-1 Veg, +1 Rhino sounds appealing.
Thoughts on this deck? Also, the one out of place card might be Fiery Impulse but it's main purpose is to clear small beaters to make sure i don't get poked down to death before I hit my end game.
What do you think about Whisperer of the wilds over leaf gilder?
I wold also strongly consider 25 lands over 23, making those lands drops are critical!
Thoughts on this deck? Also, the one out of place card might be Fiery Impulse but it's main purpose is to clear small beaters to make sure i don't get poked down to death before I hit my end game.
Id take out aerie and pilgrimage for at least two hedron archive. Card is so sweet anytime of the game.
Basically, what spectermikepag said about aerie for all the enchantments: Dromoka's Command makes them all bad. I don't mind pilgrimage
Otherwise, the deck seems a bit random. Lots of good cards that don't necessarily synergize. Omnath has only Greenwarden and no Undergrowth Champion or Whisperwood Elemental. Treasure Cruise with few fetches. Two Oblivion Sower, but only one real payoff for going that high on the curve. Although Omnath into Oblivion Sower is great, so maybe they are good.
Hey guys, so I tweaked my Naya build a bit more. ...
Shrine of the Forgotten Gods seems odd, given how little of your ramp is really land based and your mana requirements (WW does seem ambitious).
Between Wanderer and Whisperwood, I wonder whether Whisperer of the Wilds makes sense. If you go up to four Wanderers, you will have Ferocious a significant amount of the time.
I would increase your fetches and basics, while cutting back on battlelands, except I would add a Smoldering Marsh and/or Prairie Stream to get those 6/6 Wanderers. The battlelands only give you 2 colored sources, whereas the fetches can give you 3 and you can't get the battlelands with Explosive Vegetation.
Thoughts on this deck? Also, the one out of place card might be Fiery Impulse but it's main purpose is to clear small beaters to make sure i don't get poked down to death before I hit my end game.
Id take out aerie and pilgrimage for at least two hedron archive. Card is so sweet anytime of the game.
Basically, what spectermikepag said about aerie for all the enchantments: Dromoka's Command makes them all bad. I don't mind pilgrimage
Otherwise, the deck seems a bit random. Lots of good cards that don't necessarily synergize. Omnath has only Greenwarden and no Undergrowth Champion or Whisperwood Elemental. Treasure Cruise with few fetches. Two Oblivion Sower, but only one real payoff for going that high on the curve. Although Omnath into Oblivion Sower is great, so maybe they are good.
Hey guys, so I tweaked my Naya build a bit more. ...
Shrine of the Forgotten Gods seems odd, given how little of your ramp is really land based and your mana requirements (WW does seem ambitious).
Between Wanderer and Whisperwood, I wonder whether Whisperer of the Wilds makes sense. If you go up to four Wanderers, you will have Ferocious a significant amount of the time.
I would increase your fetches and basics, while cutting back on battlelands, except I would add a Smoldering Marsh and/or Prairie Stream to get those 6/6 Wanderers. The battlelands only give you 2 colored sources, whereas the fetches can give you 3 and you can't get the battlelands with Explosive Vegetation.
I would love to add a couple off color battlelands, but my mail is being agonozingly slow.
You're probably right on shrine. I originally had 4 EV instead of 3, but cut the fourth for a third Radiant Flames. I'll probably cut 2 Shrines for a couple Windswept Heath (or potentially all four for some added basics), though I'm not 100% certain yet. The added ramp is pretty easy to undervalue until you run a few games with it.
Edit: I don't like Whisperer with maindeck Radiant Flames. Rattleclaw is borderline, but it gets in there, blocks well and can Converge. The unmorph can also ramp you +2 for a turn (including the tap).
Edit: I don't like Whisperer with maindeck Radiant Flames. Rattleclaw is borderline, but it gets in there, blocks well and can Converge. The unmorph can also ramp you +2 for a turn (including the tap).
I see your point, Ill have to test it out to see if trying to have either double red and or white black on T3 will be an issue. You cant have all the colors but there are only 2 Siege Rhinos so only the hands there you have both Thunderbreak and Rhino on T3 would be an issue, an issue ill take any day.
Perhaps I could increase the fetch count to 4 heaths to give me more access to white.
I think you want some Bloodstained Mire. A problem with adding colors is that you have to up your percentages on all the colors to keep the screw chances constant (I hope that makes sense).
I think you want something like 11W17G16R12B, at least. That's 56 sources. Veggies is 5 sources, Foothills is 4, Mire and Heath are 3 for your purposes, Rattleclaw is .5R +.5G, Whisperer is .5G. Currently you have 59 sources for nondragons, but only 8B and 10W.
So I agree, the splash seems very doable (even keeping the Havens), but moar fetches!
Rhinos can help with the life loss from the fetches, too. With 12 fetches, you might even be able to cut a Veggie for a Rhino, depending on whether your testing indicates the need for more ramp or more Ferocious enablers
so what would the 25 land mana base look like to you, what are you thinking about taking out?
-1 Veg, +1 Rhino sounds appealing.
With one Explosive Vegetation, that gives you 12W19G17R11B even when they bolt the bird (Impulse the Mystic doesn't sound as fun, does it?). I guess that means you should -1 Canopy Vista, +1 Smoldering Marsh. Shambling Vent was interesting, but I was worried about draws that wouldn't allow you to cast a dork, which might be a reason to keep the second Canopy Vista.
This seems adequate, so I didn't look at options involving painlands, Flooded Strand or Evolving Wilds.
The more colors I play, the less I like Nissa. Cutting 1 would allow you to cut a Forest, I think. If only she did not say "basic".
Opening hands with no G sources will be very difficult mulligan decisions on the draw. On the play, you have only 1 shot at a 19/53 lottery to play the dork on time, so I think mulling might be correct (particularly with the free scry!). On the draw, you have two shots, so keeping might be correct. I'm bad at mulling, though. What do you think?
Edit: I forgot the Havens help w/Kolaghan. I now prefer the 2 Vista, 1 Marsh config.
Edit: I don't like Whisperer with maindeck Radiant Flames. Rattleclaw is borderline, but it gets in there, blocks well and can Converge. The unmorph can also ramp you +2 for a turn (including the tap).
This deck has come a long way since I initially created it during spoiler season. Most notably I've increased the land count to 24, trimmed down the explosive vegetation and completely redesigned my sideboard for what I predict my local meta will be. I'm considering dumping Shaman of Forgotten ways for Blisterpod as well but I think I might see how it goes tonight. What would your thoughts be?
Hopefully I will have good things to report tonight. As for deck testing I seem to be able to squeak out wins against Abzan with little difficulty both pre and post side and then atarka suicide decks give me problems before side but not usually after side. GB Elves have not been a problem. RW Allies have not been a problem. BW Lifegain is usually a fight to the end and can go either way. Thats all the decks I've had the opportunity to play against. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report tonight!!
This is an Elemental deck that wants to use Omnath and has 4 Champions in it, you want landfall ASAP when you untap!!!
25 lands, especially with the thinning from fetches, Nissa and Vegetation.
-1 Seen +1 mountain
If you are playing these fetches and Shaman, Woodland Wanderer is a GREAT card to have! it doesnt work well with See the unwritten so maybe 2 of. What about -1 Seen, -1 Atarka, +2 Woodland Wanderer?
I am not too hot on the landfall defender, I would run 1 more radiant flames despite the possibility of flaming your own guys. Once you have enough lands you dont care about your dorks and all you need are at least 2 on the field so if you draw more and have flames in your hand, hold them and deploy them after. You could flames for 2 and save your shaman.....
-3 offshoot, +1 flames, +2 fiery impulse (Jace and Mantis Rider)
In My opinion if I was going to go all in on an Omnath/elemental deck it would be like this:
I like quite a few of your ideas. Sadly while playing tonight I didnt even really get to try how my deck went. I went 0-2 in my first round to Abzan Kill. Dont know what else to call it. He killed every one of my dorks and then overran me in the air with a Drana. Every threat I put out he had kill and exile for. He told me afterwards he was running 12 kill spells and was in it for the long game. The first game I got land screwed. Second game was the one he killed or exiled everything I put down.
Game 2- Bye
Game 3 - Opponent didnt show
Game 4 - Opponent didnt show
Got 4th place for playing a game I didnt win and sitting there for people that were too lazy to tell the judge that they were dropping from the match before they left. Ugh.
After looking at your list I think I'm going to tweak it a little for my preferences. I did not think about shaman + wanderer though. What a beautiful thing. I can easily give it +4 with a red land, green land and then shaman tapping for whatever. I can do the full converge with Rattleclaw, red land, green land and shaman. Brilliant!
I've altered it a little for my tastes. I've tried Grove Rumbler before. It didnt really work out for my deck so not playing it. I've really got to have Dragonlord Atarka in the deck. Too many dragon decks going around to not have a flyer.
This deck has come a long way since I initially created it during spoiler season. Most notably I've increased the land count to 24, trimmed down the explosive vegetation and completely redesigned my sideboard for what I predict my local meta will be. I'm considering dumping Shaman of Forgotten ways for Blisterpod as well but I think I might see how it goes tonight. What would your thoughts be?
Hopefully I will have good things to report tonight. As for deck testing I seem to be able to squeak out wins against Abzan with little difficulty both pre and post side and then atarka suicide decks give me problems before side but not usually after side. GB Elves have not been a problem. RW Allies have not been a problem. BW Lifegain is usually a fight to the end and can go either way. Thats all the decks I've had the opportunity to play against. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report tonight!!
This is an Elemental deck that wants to use Omnath and has 4 Champions in it, you want landfall ASAP when you untap!!!
25 lands, especially with the thinning from fetches, Nissa and Vegetation.
-1 Seen +1 mountain
If you are playing these fetches and Shaman, Woodland Wanderer is a GREAT card to have! it doesnt work well with See the unwritten so maybe 2 of. What about -1 Seen, -1 Atarka, +2 Woodland Wanderer?
I am not too hot on the landfall defender, I would run 1 more radiant flames despite the possibility of flaming your own guys. Once you have enough lands you dont care about your dorks and all you need are at least 2 on the field so if you draw more and have flames in your hand, hold them and deploy them after. You could flames for 2 and save your shaman.....
-3 offshoot, +1 flames, +2 fiery impulse (Jace and Mantis Rider)
In My opinion if I was going to go all in on an Omnath/elemental deck it would be like this:
I like quite a few of your ideas. Sadly while playing tonight I didnt even really get to try how my deck went. I went 0-2 in my first round to Abzan Kill. Dont know what else to call it. He killed every one of my dorks and then overran me in the air with a Drana. Every threat I put out he had kill and exile for. He told me afterwards he was running 12 kill spells and was in it for the long game. The first game I got land screwed. Second game was the one he killed or exiled everything I put down.
Game 2- Bye
Game 3 - Opponent didnt show
Game 4 - Opponent didnt show
Got 4th place for playing a game I didnt win and sitting there for people that were too lazy to tell the judge that they were dropping from the match before they left. Ugh.
After looking at your list I think I'm going to tweak it a little for my preferences. I did not think about shaman + wanderer though. What a beautiful thing. I can easily give it +4 with a red land, green land and then shaman tapping for whatever. I can do the full converge with Rattleclaw, red land, green land and shaman. Brilliant!
I've altered it a little for my tastes. I've tried Grove Rumbler before. It didnt really work out for my deck so not playing it. I've really got to have Dragonlord Atarka in the deck. Too many dragon decks going around to not have a flyer.
There will be people who salivate at the chance to fight a mana dork and make you sacrifice an enchantment. Would Explosive Vegetation and/or Nissa's Pilgrimage be better than the enchantments for the current meta?
The land count seems low and, with only two Sylvan Scrying and three Oblivion Sower, the Shrines seem optimistic. I would up the land count and, unless you make the above change, replace the Shrines.
I'm not sure what the Barrage Tyrants will be sacrificing, so there might be something more impactful.
The Shamans and Oblivion Sower are kind of a nonbo with See the Unwritten. I would recommend that you focus more in one direction or the other to improve your synergies.
You have a lot of good cards, but I think you can improve on how the deck works.
I see your point, Ill have to test it out to see if trying to have either double red and or white black on T3 will be an issue. You cant have all the colors but there are only 2 Siege Rhinos so only the hands there you have both Thunderbreak and Rhino on T3 would be an issue, an issue ill take any day.
Perhaps I could increase the fetch count to 4 heaths to give me more access to white.
I think you want some Bloodstained Mire. A problem with adding colors is that you have to up your percentages on all the colors to keep the screw chances constant (I hope that makes sense).
I think you want something like 11W17G16R12B, at least. That's 56 sources. Veggies is 5 sources, Foothills is 4, Mire and Heath are 3 for your purposes, Rattleclaw is .5R +.5G, Whisperer is .5G. Currently you have 59 sources for nondragons, but only 8B and 10W.
So I agree, the splash seems very doable (even keeping the Havens), but moar fetches!
Rhinos can help with the life loss from the fetches, too. With 12 fetches, you might even be able to cut a Veggie for a Rhino, depending on whether your testing indicates the need for more ramp or more Ferocious enablers
so what would the 25 land mana base look like to you, what are you thinking about taking out?
-1 Veg, +1 Rhino sounds appealing.
With one Explosive Vegetation, that gives you 12W19G17R11B even when they bolt the bird (Impulse the Mystic doesn't sound as fun, does it?). I guess that means you should -1 Canopy Vista, +1 Smoldering Marsh. Shambling Vent was interesting, but I was worried about draws that wouldn't allow you to cast a dork, which might be a reason to keep the second Canopy Vista.
This seems adequate, so I didn't look at options involving painlands, Flooded Strand or Evolving Wilds.
The more colors I play, the less I like Nissa. Cutting 1 would allow you to cut a Forest, I think. If only she did not say "basic".
Opening hands with no G sources will be very difficult mulligan decisions on the draw. On the play, you have only 1 shot at a 19/53 lottery to play the dork on time, so I think mulling might be correct (particularly with the free scry!). On the draw, you have two shots, so keeping might be correct. I'm bad at mulling, though. What do you think?
Edit: I forgot the Havens help w/Kolaghan. I now prefer the 2 Vista, 1 Marsh config.
I see your point, Ill have to test it out to see if trying to have either double red and or white black on T3 will be an issue. You cant have all the colors but there are only 2 Siege Rhinos so only the hands there you have both Thunderbreak and Rhino on T3 would be an issue, an issue ill take any day.
Perhaps I could increase the fetch count to 4 heaths to give me more access to white.
I think you want some Bloodstained Mire. A problem with adding colors is that you have to up your percentages on all the colors to keep the screw chances constant (I hope that makes sense).
I think you want something like 11W17G16R12B, at least. That's 56 sources. Veggies is 5 sources, Foothills is 4, Mire and Heath are 3 for your purposes, Rattleclaw is .5R +.5G, Whisperer is .5G. Currently you have 59 sources for nondragons, but only 8B and 10W.
So I agree, the splash seems very doable (even keeping the Havens), but moar fetches!
Rhinos can help with the life loss from the fetches, too. With 12 fetches, you might even be able to cut a Veggie for a Rhino, depending on whether your testing indicates the need for more ramp or more Ferocious enablers
so what would the 25 land mana base look like to you, what are you thinking about taking out?
-1 Veg, +1 Rhino sounds appealing.
With one Explosive Vegetation, that gives you 12W19G17R11B even when they bolt the bird (Impulse the Mystic doesn't sound as fun, does it?). I guess that means you should -1 Canopy Vista, +1 Smoldering Marsh. Shambling Vent was interesting, but I was worried about draws that wouldn't allow you to cast a dork, which might be a reason to keep the second Canopy Vista.
This seems adequate, so I didn't look at options involving painlands, Flooded Strand or Evolving Wilds.
The more colors I play, the less I like Nissa. Cutting 1 would allow you to cut a Forest, I think. If only she did not say "basic".
Opening hands with no G sources will be very difficult mulligan decisions on the draw. On the play, you have only 1 shot at a 19/53 lottery to play the dork on time, so I think mulling might be correct (particularly with the free scry!). On the draw, you have two shots, so keeping might be correct. I'm bad at mulling, though. What do you think?
Edit: I forgot the Havens help w/Kolaghan. I now prefer the 2 Vista, 1 Marsh config.
I like Nissa too much to do that.
Sure. She was a really hard cut for me. I'm in 5 colors and don't know if it was correct.
With two veggies, you would probably want to cut the second Vista for a basic.
But seriously, what do you think of the manabase? I gave it some real thought. Is it bad? What am I missing?
Basically, what spectermikepag said about aerie for all the enchantments: Dromoka's Command makes them all bad. I don't mind pilgrimage
Otherwise, the deck seems a bit random. Lots of good cards that don't necessarily synergize. Omnath has only Greenwarden and no Undergrowth Champion or Whisperwood Elemental. Treasure Cruise with few fetches. Two Oblivion Sower, but only one real payoff for going that high on the curve. Although Omnath into Oblivion Sower is great, so maybe they are good.
I guess I have to explain a few things. Well first off, all because Dromoka's Command exist isn't valid to say that I shouldn't run any enchantments. It's mainly used in G/W megamorph decks or Bant decks, and my local meta is actually a bit scarce of that, and against those decks, they have limited removal for creatures, so I generally can get my creatures to survive long enough to ramp into massive fatties. Though I will give you Sheltered Aerie, that was a throw in last minute, cause I really wanted to abuse the hell out of Kioras +1 on the land untapping, even if it was an overcosted Overgrowth. Not too sure on how I feel about the Hedron Rock. Looking at it at first I'd say no, but it does replace itself in the late game, which is the next thing I'm going to touch up on. Treasure Cruise is there to refuel my hand after I dumped it into ramping land and creatures out onto the board, which is also why Outpost Siege is there, once I have enough mana, I want to keep drawing into more bombs and threats. I really want to run Dig Through Time to further assist me or replace those, but its UU, which can be a struggle to attain sometimes in this deck, especially with the lack of a fetchland/pseudualand for both Blue and its Enemy colors, which is why I use Anticipate so I can small dig for some threats/answers after the ramping has been done. Next I want to talk about Omnath. Omanth doesn't need other elementals to garner a board presence or be a threat, granted it would help him, but I'm using him for more of a army generator. It basically makes ate game land draws worth it as you get a 5/5 every time. But looking at it now, having 2 is a bit much, so I'm going to -1 Omnath to have just 1, and upping Ulamog to 2, since I can cast an Ulamog even with another one on the field already to use him as a sorcery speed Exile to Permanents spell. Greenwarden is there for the obvious value. Ulamog died to Crackling Doom? Kiora used -2 twice? Atarka killed off by Crux? Need to burn them out a bit more with Crater's Claws? Just bring it right back to hand. Oblivion Sower is dope, idk if having them at 2 is right or not, but until it ****s me in playtesting, its staying as is for now.
What do you think about Whisperer of the wilds over leaf gilder?
I wold also strongly consider 25 lands over 23, making those lands drops are critical!
The land base of mine has been pretty well, since I just need to hit a few lands to hit my mana dorks and land ramp like veggie/pilgrimage.
As for the leafgilder vs whisperer, I'd go for leafgilder cause most times by the time I have ferocious up in my deck, it basically indicates I already have mana to produce fatties, thus making the extra mana produced pretty redundant to say the least.
And to add to the discussion in general, thoughts on Retreat to CoralHelm? Thinking of adding Shaman of Forgotten Ways as well. I got work to go to, so I'll explain the synergy between the land drops and mana dorks and scuplting of the deck later, if its not obvious enough by just looking at the cards.
Ugin is going to get really bad once all the fatties are colourless. I sold all mine. Sell sell sell!
He's going to be absolutely rotten. Hangarback walker has already nerfed him quite significantly. I reckon he'll be $3 junk within 2 months of rotation
This deck has come a long way since I initially created it during spoiler season. Most notably I've increased the land count to 24, trimmed down the explosive vegetation and completely redesigned my sideboard for what I predict my local meta will be. I'm considering dumping Shaman of Forgotten ways for Blisterpod as well but I think I might see how it goes tonight. What would your thoughts be?
Hopefully I will have good things to report tonight. As for deck testing I seem to be able to squeek out wins against Abzan with little difficulty both pre and post side and then atarka suicide decks give me problems before side but not usually after side. GB Elves have not been a problem. RW Allies have not been a problem. BW Lifegain is usually a fight to the end and can go either way. Thats all the decks I've had the oppuritunity to play against. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report tonight!!
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I think you want some Bloodstained Mire. A problem with adding colors is that you have to up your percentages on all the colors to keep the screw chances constant (I hope that makes sense).
I think you want something like 11W17G16R12B, at least. That's 56 sources. Veggies is 5 sources, Foothills is 4, Mire and Heath are 3 for your purposes, Rattleclaw is .5R +.5G, Whisperer is .5G. Currently you have 59 sources for nondragons, but only 8B and 10W.
So I agree, the splash seems very doable (even keeping the Havens), but moar fetches!
Rhinos can help with the life loss from the fetches, too. With 12 fetches, you might even be able to cut a Veggie for a Rhino, depending on whether your testing indicates the need for more ramp or more Ferocious enablers
so what would the 25 land mana base look like to you, what are you thinking about taking out?
-1 Veg, +1 Rhino sounds appealing.
With one Explosive Vegetation, that gives you 12W19G17R11B even when they bolt the bird (Impulse the Mystic doesn't sound as fun, does it?). I guess that means you should -1 Canopy Vista, +1 Smoldering Marsh. Shambling Vent was interesting, but I was worried about draws that wouldn't allow you to cast a dork, which might be a reason to keep the second Canopy Vista.
This seems adequate, so I didn't look at options involving painlands, Flooded Strand or Evolving Wilds.
The more colors I play, the less I like Nissa. Cutting 1 would allow you to cut a Forest, I think. If only she did not say "basic".
Opening hands with no G sources will be very difficult mulligan decisions on the draw. On the play, you have only 1 shot at a 19/53 lottery to play the dork on time, so I think mulling might be correct (particularly with the free scry!). On the draw, you have two shots, so keeping might be correct. I'm bad at mulling, though. What do you think?
Edit: I forgot the Havens help w/Kolaghan. I now prefer the 2 Vista, 1 Marsh config.
I like Nissa too much to do that.
But seriously, what do you think of the manabase? I gave it some real thought. Is it bad? What am I missing?
I feel uncomfortable with 12 fetches with Atarka red being a pillar of the format and I dont think I need more than 2 Siege Rhinos. When I review the deck as a whole one question I ask is 'how many spells of 4 CMC do I really want?'. I want the 4 regents and at least 2 Surrak and one vegetation, thats for sure. I think it is real important to get to 6/7 mana with this deck so the 2nd vegetation carries some weight and then the other spots are a battle between Temur Sabertooth and Siege Rhino. The life gain from the Rhino, its trampling body and synergy with see the unwritten is very appealing so working out the right 4 color mana base would be the only challenge. But again, do I need those ferocious enablers?
I dont think I need that many white sources for only 2 Siege Rhinos. My second draft at the 4 color mana base is:
With Kiora and the Ferocious enablers, I prefer four Whisperers to having the Beastcaller Savants as they accelerate the noncreature spells. You could probably get rid of the Bivouacs, if you are willing to lose an extra life from a fetch sometimes. The list looks pretty good to me. Stubborn Denial may deserve consideration, at least in the sideboard.
I actually do have 3 in the board. I had them in the main with a 4th in the board but I'm not sure what to cut that I can keep them in the main. It's a great card though and really hurts control decks. The little testing I've done it's been amazing.
Two Drops
4 Hangarback Walker (I would like to play him on the second turn otherwise later is fine as well. It's all about the chump blockers)
4 Roast (I wanted some removal)
X Drop
2 Animist's Awakening (You can play this early if you need to get the lands, but later is fantastic. Really thins your deck and then crack a fetch land before your next draw step to maximize your chances of drawing gas)
So originally I played one more land, but then I added one more Oblivion Sower, so that I could get to seven more reliably, and have a huge body out of it too. I like having Hangarbacks because of their chump blocking and ability to get me to my late game.
I have no mana dorks, because I don't want to risk then getting killed and then not get to Omnath and those guys soon enough. Nissa's Pilgrimage has been a great card for me. I originally had Nissa's Renewal but I just wasn't quite sold on the total effectiveness...
Hi guys i played a deck its a green red ramp deck which focuses on omnath instead of eldrazi. I am posting the list but I am sorry i dont know how to put the deck list proprly so here goes
Also i ranked 8th of 24 players with a standing of 3 wins 2 losses
Lands
4 evolving wilds
4 rugged highlands
5 mountains
11 forests
Creatures
4 omnath, locus of rage
4 dragonlord atarka
2 gaea's revenge
4 rattleclaw mystic
4 whisperer of the wilds
Enchantments
4 outpost siege
Artifacts
4 hedron archive
Spells
4 explosive vegetation
2 roast
2 from beyond
2 retreat to kazandu
2 nissas pilgrimage
In one of my games i managed to pull off an omnath followed by an evolving wilds and fetched a land and explosive vegetation 2 more lands netting a total of 4 elemantals.
I placed outpost siege for card draw and hedron archive for ramp and eventual card draw
Hope to hear some criticism or any improvements
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I think you want some Bloodstained Mire. A problem with adding colors is that you have to up your percentages on all the colors to keep the screw chances constant (I hope that makes sense).
I think you want something like 11W17G16R12B, at least. That's 56 sources. Veggies is 5 sources, Foothills is 4, Mire and Heath are 3 for your purposes, Rattleclaw is .5R +.5G, Whisperer is .5G. Currently you have 59 sources for nondragons, but only 8B and 10W.
So I agree, the splash seems very doable (even keeping the Havens), but moar fetches!
Rhinos can help with the life loss from the fetches, too. With 12 fetches, you might even be able to cut a Veggie for a Rhino, depending on whether your testing indicates the need for more ramp or more Ferocious enablers
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Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.
This is what I've set up so far:
4 Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Windswept Heath
4 Cinder Glade
2 Canopy Vista
6 Forest
2 Plains
1 Mountain
Creatures
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
3 Woodland Wanderer
4 Whisperwood Elemental
4 Hangarback Walker
2 Conduit of Ruin
2 Oblivion Sower
1 Void Winnower
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Hedron Archive
2 From Beyond
3 Explosive Vegetation
3 Radiant Flames
2 Fiery Impulse
Side
4 Jaddi Offshoot
2 Den Protector
2 Gaea's Revenge
1 Desolation Twin
1 From Beyond
2 Quarantine Field
2 Fiery Impulse
1 Tragic Arrogance
Fiery Impulse is amazing. Being able to kill Jace the turn he comes down is very powerful. However, it does veer off a bit in the mid to late game, which is why Radiant Flames comes in to pick up the slack. It clears most things you're worried about and can clear up Hangarback tokens nicely.
All the enchantments have been underperforming a bit for me in the face of Dromoka's Command. Stasis Snare answers Hangarback cleanly but doesn't really get much else that I'm worried about besides Gideon. Quarantine Field often sat dead in my hand, though every time I cast it it was amazing. Definitely worth it in the more grindy matchups, imo.
Tragic Arrogance might be better served as Planar Outburst, though being able to hit noncreature permanents is pretty cool. Jaddi offshoot is there because I hate mono red. Desolation Twin is there against control, since putting an uncounterable 10/10 into play is pretty nifty.
Woodland Wanderer is interesting. It's just a big dummy, but it often eats removal that could be aimed at better threats like Ulamog or Whisperwood and, if unanswered, can take a game by itself. It rumbles over basically every other creature that you could feasibly go up against.
Conduit has been pretty cool, though it's a bit of a nonbo with Whisperwood. I'll probably end up making both of them Sowers if they continue to underperform.
Void Winnower has been the best card in my deck, imo. The thing brings so much value to the table. It lets you attack through cluttered boards with ease and turns off tons of removal. It's surprising how often the card turns around games.
With Hedron Archive in the deck, I've moved down on copies of From Beyond, though I'm keeping an extra one in my side because it's so good against control. You can just sandback Scions and beat face with them and force them to wrath you, then start casting your big stuff while making more.
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WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
so what would the 25 land mana base look like to you, what are you thinking about taking out?
-1 Veg, +1 Rhino sounds appealing.
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What do you think about Whisperer of the wilds over leaf gilder?
I wold also strongly consider 25 lands over 23, making those lands drops are critical!
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Basically, what spectermikepag said about aerie for all the enchantments: Dromoka's Command makes them all bad. I don't mind pilgrimage
Otherwise, the deck seems a bit random. Lots of good cards that don't necessarily synergize. Omnath has only Greenwarden and no Undergrowth Champion or Whisperwood Elemental. Treasure Cruise with few fetches. Two Oblivion Sower, but only one real payoff for going that high on the curve. Although Omnath into Oblivion Sower is great, so maybe they are good.
Shrine of the Forgotten Gods seems odd, given how little of your ramp is really land based and your mana requirements (WW does seem ambitious).
Between Wanderer and Whisperwood, I wonder whether Whisperer of the Wilds makes sense. If you go up to four Wanderers, you will have Ferocious a significant amount of the time.
I would increase your fetches and basics, while cutting back on battlelands, except I would add a Smoldering Marsh and/or Prairie Stream to get those 6/6 Wanderers. The battlelands only give you 2 colored sources, whereas the fetches can give you 3 and you can't get the battlelands with Explosive Vegetation.
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Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.
basically right......
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You're probably right on shrine. I originally had 4 EV instead of 3, but cut the fourth for a third Radiant Flames. I'll probably cut 2 Shrines for a couple Windswept Heath (or potentially all four for some added basics), though I'm not 100% certain yet. The added ramp is pretty easy to undervalue until you run a few games with it.
Edit: I don't like Whisperer with maindeck Radiant Flames. Rattleclaw is borderline, but it gets in there, blocks well and can Converge. The unmorph can also ramp you +2 for a turn (including the tap).
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GRW Burn
EDH
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Is this about Whisperer VS leaf gilder?
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3 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Cinder Glade
2 Vista Canopy
1 Smoldering Marsh
1 Swamp
1 Plains
2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
With one Explosive Vegetation, that gives you 12W19G17R11B even when they bolt the bird (Impulse the Mystic doesn't sound as fun, does it?). I guess that means you should -1 Canopy Vista, +1 Smoldering Marsh. Shambling Vent was interesting, but I was worried about draws that wouldn't allow you to cast a dork, which might be a reason to keep the second Canopy Vista.
This seems adequate, so I didn't look at options involving painlands, Flooded Strand or Evolving Wilds.
The more colors I play, the less I like Nissa. Cutting 1 would allow you to cut a Forest, I think. If only she did not say "basic".
Opening hands with no G sources will be very difficult mulligan decisions on the draw. On the play, you have only 1 shot at a 19/53 lottery to play the dork on time, so I think mulling might be correct (particularly with the free scry!). On the draw, you have two shots, so keeping might be correct. I'm bad at mulling, though. What do you think?
Edit: I forgot the Havens help w/Kolaghan. I now prefer the 2 Vista, 1 Marsh config.
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Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.
No, this is in reference to the post above mine.
URW Control
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GRW Burn
EDH
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I like quite a few of your ideas. Sadly while playing tonight I didnt even really get to try how my deck went. I went 0-2 in my first round to Abzan Kill. Dont know what else to call it. He killed every one of my dorks and then overran me in the air with a Drana. Every threat I put out he had kill and exile for. He told me afterwards he was running 12 kill spells and was in it for the long game. The first game I got land screwed. Second game was the one he killed or exiled everything I put down.
Game 2- Bye
Game 3 - Opponent didnt show
Game 4 - Opponent didnt show
Got 4th place for playing a game I didnt win and sitting there for people that were too lazy to tell the judge that they were dropping from the match before they left. Ugh.
After looking at your list I think I'm going to tweak it a little for my preferences. I did not think about shaman + wanderer though. What a beautiful thing. I can easily give it +4 with a red land, green land and then shaman tapping for whatever. I can do the full converge with Rattleclaw, red land, green land and shaman. Brilliant!
4 Whisperer of the Wilds
3 Shaman of Forgotten Ways
4 Undergrowth Champion
2 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
3 Woodland Wanderer
4 Whisperwood Elemental
2 Greenwarden of Murasa
3 Omnath, Locus of Rage
2 Dragonlord Atarka
2 Explosive Vegetation
9 Forest
2 Mountain
4 Cinder Glade
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
1 Blighted Woodland
1 Rogue's Passage
I've altered it a little for my tastes. I've tried Grove Rumbler before. It didnt really work out for my deck so not playing it. I've really got to have Dragonlord Atarka in the deck. Too many dragon decks going around to not have a flyer.
RGWNaya BurnRGW+++RGWKiki ComboRGW
UGInfectUG+++++++++.++++++++UGMerfolkUG
GGNykthos WaveGG++++++++++GGStompyGG
BRVampiresBR+++++++.+++++++BRGoblinsBR
WGBogglesWG+++++++++++++CRSkred RedCR
UBRGDredgeUBRG++++++++++BB8 RackBB
URWJeskaiURW+++.++UBRGrixis DelverUBR
URStormUR++++++++UWGBant CompanyUWG
WUBRGHumansWUBRG+CCEldrazi TronCC
Yea, I LOVE me some Atarka!
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3x Kiora, Master of the Depths
Creature
3x Whisper of the wilds
3x Shaman of Forgotten Ways
4x Rattleclaw Mystic
3x Surrak, the Hunt Caller
3x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
2x Void Winnower
2x Barrage Tyrant
3x Oblivion Sower
4x See the Unwritten
2x Sylvan Scrying
Instant
3x Brutal Expulsion
Enchantment
1x From Beyond
2x Retreat to Coralhelm
Land
3x Wooded Foothills
1x Flooded Strand
2x Cinder Glade
2x Lumbering Falls
2x Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
4x Forest
4x Island
3x Mountain
2x Band of Bala Ged
3x Horribly Awry
2x Negate
2x Radiant Flames
2x Roast
2x Wild Slash
2x Plummet
Looking for some constructive criticism for my Temur Eldrazi Mid-Range deck.
The meta is shaping itself to have lots of ways to kill Jace and lots of Dromoka's Command. I am already seeing some "bolt the bird" strategies.
I like the deck. The Shamans seem good against Fiery Impulse and Sylvan Scrying seems interesting.
There will be people who salivate at the chance to fight a mana dork and make you sacrifice an enchantment. Would Explosive Vegetation and/or Nissa's Pilgrimage be better than the enchantments for the current meta?
The land count seems low and, with only two Sylvan Scrying and three Oblivion Sower, the Shrines seem optimistic. I would up the land count and, unless you make the above change, replace the Shrines.
Windswept Heath can get Prairie Stream and Flooded Strand can get Canopy Vista, so you could easily improve your fixing.
I'm not sure what the Barrage Tyrants will be sacrificing, so there might be something more impactful.
The Shamans and Oblivion Sower are kind of a nonbo with See the Unwritten. I would recommend that you focus more in one direction or the other to improve your synergies.
You have a lot of good cards, but I think you can improve on how the deck works.
I hope this helps.
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I like Nissa too much to do that.
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Sure. She was a really hard cut for me. I'm in 5 colors and don't know if it was correct.
With two veggies, you would probably want to cut the second Vista for a basic.
But seriously, what do you think of the manabase? I gave it some real thought. Is it bad? What am I missing?
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Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.
I guess I have to explain a few things. Well first off, all because Dromoka's Command exist isn't valid to say that I shouldn't run any enchantments. It's mainly used in G/W megamorph decks or Bant decks, and my local meta is actually a bit scarce of that, and against those decks, they have limited removal for creatures, so I generally can get my creatures to survive long enough to ramp into massive fatties. Though I will give you Sheltered Aerie, that was a throw in last minute, cause I really wanted to abuse the hell out of Kioras +1 on the land untapping, even if it was an overcosted Overgrowth. Not too sure on how I feel about the Hedron Rock. Looking at it at first I'd say no, but it does replace itself in the late game, which is the next thing I'm going to touch up on. Treasure Cruise is there to refuel my hand after I dumped it into ramping land and creatures out onto the board, which is also why Outpost Siege is there, once I have enough mana, I want to keep drawing into more bombs and threats. I really want to run Dig Through Time to further assist me or replace those, but its UU, which can be a struggle to attain sometimes in this deck, especially with the lack of a fetchland/pseudualand for both Blue and its Enemy colors, which is why I use Anticipate so I can small dig for some threats/answers after the ramping has been done. Next I want to talk about Omnath. Omanth doesn't need other elementals to garner a board presence or be a threat, granted it would help him, but I'm using him for more of a army generator. It basically makes ate game land draws worth it as you get a 5/5 every time. But looking at it now, having 2 is a bit much, so I'm going to -1 Omnath to have just 1, and upping Ulamog to 2, since I can cast an Ulamog even with another one on the field already to use him as a sorcery speed Exile to Permanents spell. Greenwarden is there for the obvious value. Ulamog died to Crackling Doom? Kiora used -2 twice? Atarka killed off by Crux? Need to burn them out a bit more with Crater's Claws? Just bring it right back to hand. Oblivion Sower is dope, idk if having them at 2 is right or not, but until it ****s me in playtesting, its staying as is for now.
The land base of mine has been pretty well, since I just need to hit a few lands to hit my mana dorks and land ramp like veggie/pilgrimage.
As for the leafgilder vs whisperer, I'd go for leafgilder cause most times by the time I have ferocious up in my deck, it basically indicates I already have mana to produce fatties, thus making the extra mana produced pretty redundant to say the least.
And to add to the discussion in general, thoughts on Retreat to CoralHelm? Thinking of adding Shaman of Forgotten Ways as well. I got work to go to, so I'll explain the synergy between the land drops and mana dorks and scuplting of the deck later, if its not obvious enough by just looking at the cards.
3 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Cinder Glade
2 Vista Canopy
1 Smoldering Marsh
1 Swamp
1 Plains
2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
I feel uncomfortable with 12 fetches with Atarka red being a pillar of the format and I dont think I need more than 2 Siege Rhinos. When I review the deck as a whole one question I ask is 'how many spells of 4 CMC do I really want?'. I want the 4 regents and at least 2 Surrak and one vegetation, thats for sure. I think it is real important to get to 6/7 mana with this deck so the 2nd vegetation carries some weight and then the other spots are a battle between Temur Sabertooth and Siege Rhino. The life gain from the Rhino, its trampling body and synergy with see the unwritten is very appealing so working out the right 4 color mana base would be the only challenge. But again, do I need those ferocious enablers?
I dont think I need that many white sources for only 2 Siege Rhinos. My second draft at the 4 color mana base is:
5 Forest
3 Mountain
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
3 Cinder Glade
1 Vista Canopy
1 smoldering Marsh
1 swamp
1 plains
2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
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12 Forest
1 Cinder Glade
1 Mountain
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
Creatures: 19
4 Leaf Gilder
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Oblivion Sower
3 Dragonlord Atarka
4 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Hedron Archive
Enchantment: 1
1 Outpost Siege
Planeswalkers: 2
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Sorceries: 10
4 Nissa's Pilgrimage
4 Explosive Vegetation
3 Gaea's Revenge
1 Outpost Siege
3 Feed the Clan
2 Naturalize
3 Smash to Smithereens
3 Roast
I feel like I've been doing pretty well going all in like this, but it's not perfect, so all feedback is welcome.
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2 Whisperer of the Wilds
2 Beastcaller Savant
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Savage Knuckleblade
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Surrak, the Hunt Caller
2 Whisperwood Elemental
2 Oblivion Sower
2 Dragonlord Atarka
1 Bane of Bala Ged
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
Non-Creature Spells
4 Draconic Roar
2 See the Unwritten
3 Kiora, Master of the Depths
4 Frontier Bivouac
1 Lumbering Falls
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Windswept Heath
3 Bloodstained Mire
1 Cinder Glade
1 Prairie Stream
1 Sunken Hollow
4 Forest
2 Mountain
1 Island
2 Wild Slash
2 Roast
2 Feed the Clan
3 Stubborn Denial
2 Evolutionary Leap
2 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Omnath, Locus of Rage
1 Breaker of Armies
Looking for some help with my list. I feel like I'm moving in the right direction but not sure if it's there yet. I made my own thread, (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/deck-creation-standard/641572-temur-midrange-ramp) as I did not know that this thread was here. Some of the changes I made to get to the list are there. Could really use some advice.
With Kiora and the Ferocious enablers, I prefer four Whisperers to having the Beastcaller Savants as they accelerate the noncreature spells. You could probably get rid of the Bivouacs, if you are willing to lose an extra life from a fetch sometimes. The list looks pretty good to me.
Stubborn Denial may deserve consideration, at least in the sideboard.
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Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.
4 Hangarback Walker (I would like to play him on the second turn otherwise later is fine as well. It's all about the chump blockers)
4 Roast (I wanted some removal)
Three Drops
4 Nissa's Pilgrimage
2 Retreat to Kazandu (The life gain can be big, but also the counters are great for Hangarbacks and Champions
2 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
Four Drops
4 Undergrowth Champion (I would like to play him on the fourth turn against decks with removal, so then I can play a land)
2 Explosive Vegetation
Six Drops
3 Dragonmaster Outcast (I consider him a six drop, even though he costs one mana. He's crazy if he's not removed)
2 Oblivion Sower
1 Greenwarden of Murasa
Seven Drops
3 Omnath, Locus of Rage
1 Dragonlord Atarka
Ugin
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
X Drop
2 Animist's Awakening (You can play this early if you need to get the lands, but later is fantastic. Really thins your deck and then crack a fetch land before your next draw step to maximize your chances of drawing gas)
25 Lands
11 Forest
3 Mountain
4 Cinderglade
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
1 Blighted Woodland
So originally I played one more land, but then I added one more Oblivion Sower, so that I could get to seven more reliably, and have a huge body out of it too. I like having Hangarbacks because of their chump blocking and ability to get me to my late game.
I have no mana dorks, because I don't want to risk then getting killed and then not get to Omnath and those guys soon enough. Nissa's Pilgrimage has been a great card for me. I originally had Nissa's Renewal but I just wasn't quite sold on the total effectiveness...
Sideboard
3 Jaddi Offshoot
2 Boiling Earth
2 Radiant Flames
2 Naturalize
2 Windstorm
1 Plummet
1 Atarka's Command
1 Rending Volley
1 Void Winnower
Legacy: Pox, R/B Goblins
Commander: Mono Black, Mono Blue
Pauper: Goblins
Also i ranked 8th of 24 players with a standing of 3 wins 2 losses
Lands
4 evolving wilds
4 rugged highlands
5 mountains
11 forests
Creatures
4 omnath, locus of rage
4 dragonlord atarka
2 gaea's revenge
4 rattleclaw mystic
4 whisperer of the wilds
Enchantments
4 outpost siege
Artifacts
4 hedron archive
Spells
4 explosive vegetation
2 roast
2 from beyond
2 retreat to kazandu
2 nissas pilgrimage
Sb inclompete
2 feed the clan
2 wild slash
2 windstorm
2 boiled earth
1 plummet
2 conclave naturalist
In one of my games i managed to pull off an omnath followed by an evolving wilds and fetched a land and explosive vegetation 2 more lands netting a total of 4 elemantals.
I placed outpost siege for card draw and hedron archive for ramp and eventual card draw
Hope to hear some criticism or any improvements