I agree that you're trying to run 2 different style decks within one and that will definitely hurt your consistency.
ION, I totally didn't know that I can't respond to an instant with a sorcery on my own main phase. I didn't know that the stack has to be empty. BLARGH! That just shows my beginner level. I think I've done well, so far, but I definitely should have known that.
Monstrosities can be done on your opponent's phases, yes? Or are some phases restricted?
Monstrosity is an 'instant' so can be activated at any stage.
Thank you very much for your advices pruettjohn and Control!
So in your opinion there's no chance to run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs?
I will definitely give a try to Scuttling Doom Engine...maybe 2 of them?
Thanks again!
OF COURSE you can run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs. 4x Mystics, 4x Caryatids and maybe 2x Voyaging Satyrs work just fine.
Thank you very much for your advices pruettjohn and Control!
So in your opinion there's no chance to run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs?
I will definitely give a try to Scuttling Doom Engine...maybe 2 of them?
Thanks again!
OF COURSE you can run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs. 4x Mystics, 4x Caryatids and maybe 2x Voyaging Satyrs work just fine.
Works better in my opinion. BTE is good for a very fast start but it's terrible in the late game. I'd rather have the Mystics, Caryatids and Satyrs on top of Courser and even Eidolons, with Nykthos. The deck can get very explosive by turn 4-5.
Thank you very much for your advices pruettjohn and Control!
So in your opinion there's no chance to run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs?
I will definitely give a try to Scuttling Doom Engine...maybe 2 of them?
Thanks again!
OF COURSE you can run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs. 4x Mystics, 4x Caryatids and maybe 2x Voyaging Satyrs work just fine.
Works better in my opinion. BTE is good for a very fast start but it's terrible in the late game. I'd rather have the Mystics, Caryatids and Satyrs on top of Courser and even Eidolons, with Nykthos. The deck can get very explosive by turn 4-5.
I agree that you can probably play it without BTE and run Caryatids instead. Although I've seen people choke up because they have drawn way too many mana guys that give 1 devotion. I also agree that you could run some number of Eidolons. Good card is good, but... I disagree (again) that BTE is bad in the late game. In a devotion deck, that extra "free" devotion/attacker/blocker/convoker is very, very good at any stage of the game provided you have something else in your hand to cast off of it.
Thank you very much for your advices pruettjohn and Control!
So in your opinion there's no chance to run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs?
I will definitely give a try to Scuttling Doom Engine...maybe 2 of them?
Thanks again!
OF COURSE you can run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs. 4x Mystics, 4x Caryatids and maybe 2x Voyaging Satyrs work just fine.
Works better in my opinion. BTE is good for a very fast start but it's terrible in the late game. I'd rather have the Mystics, Caryatids and Satyrs on top of Courser and even Eidolons, with Nykthos. The deck can get very explosive by turn 4-5.
I agree that you can probably play it without BTE and run Caryatids instead. Although I've seen people choke up because they have drawn way too many mana guys that give 1 devotion. I also agree that you could run some number of Eidolons. Good card is good, but... I disagree (again) that BTE is bad in the late game. In a devotion deck, that extra "free" devotion/attacker/blocker/convoker is very, very good at any stage of the game provided you have something else in your hand to cast off of it.
I guess the difference being in what we're using the actual "devotion" for. In my version, my devotion is used to fuel Nykthos to cast things like a Genesis Hydra for whatever, minimum 7. I don't use much draw in my version, so a late game BTE is kind of backbreaking because there usually isn't anything in my hand that late. He's a chump blocker. Same as a Mystic. I have plenty of devotion already on board between Course, a mana dork or two, and a Nylea. Add a potential Hornet Queen, Terra Stomper or Nissa and I have the mana symbols I need. I don't run Cord, I don't have enough tools in the box. I'm pretty much Big, Green and fight.
Thank you very much for your advices pruettjohn and Control!
So in your opinion there's no chance to run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs?
I will definitely give a try to Scuttling Doom Engine...maybe 2 of them?
Thanks again!
OF COURSE you can run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs. 4x Mystics, 4x Caryatids and maybe 2x Voyaging Satyrs work just fine.
Works better in my opinion. BTE is good for a very fast start but it's terrible in the late game. I'd rather have the Mystics, Caryatids and Satyrs on top of Courser and even Eidolons, with Nykthos. The deck can get very explosive by turn 4-5.
I agree that you can probably play it without BTE and run Caryatids instead. Although I've seen people choke up because they have drawn way too many mana guys that give 1 devotion. I also agree that you could run some number of Eidolons. Good card is good, but... I disagree (again) that BTE is bad in the late game. In a devotion deck, that extra "free" devotion/attacker/blocker/convoker is very, very good at any stage of the game provided you have something else in your hand to cast off of it.
I guess the difference being in what we're using the actual "devotion" for. In my version, my devotion is used to fuel Nykthos to cast things like a Genesis Hydra for whatever, minimum 7. I don't use much draw in my version, so a late game BTE is kind of backbreaking because there usually isn't anything in my hand that late. He's a chump blocker. Same as a Mystic. I have plenty of devotion already on board between Course, a mana dork or two, and a Nylea. Add a potential Hornet Queen, Terra Stomper or Nissa and I have the mana symbols I need. I don't run Cord, I don't have enough tools in the box. I'm pretty much Big, Green and fight.
Yeah, I use Chord and this guy is awesome for me even in late game. Sometimes that little big of extra devotion + convoke let's me nab a Hornet Queen.
OF COURSE you can run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs. 4x Mystics, 4x Caryatids and maybe 2x Voyaging Satyrs work just fine.
Works better in my opinion. BTE is good for a very fast start but it's terrible in the late game. I'd rather have the Mystics, Caryatids and Satyrs on top of Courser and even Eidolons, with Nykthos. The deck can get very explosive by turn 4-5.
I agree that you can probably play it without BTE and run Caryatids instead. Although I've seen people choke up because they have drawn way too many mana guys that give 1 devotion. I also agree that you could run some number of Eidolons. Good card is good, but... I disagree (again) that BTE is bad in the late game. In a devotion deck, that extra "free" devotion/attacker/blocker/convoker is very, very good at any stage of the game provided you have something else in your hand to cast off of it.
I guess the difference being in what we're using the actual "devotion" for. In my version, my devotion is used to fuel Nykthos to cast things like a Genesis Hydra for whatever, minimum 7. I don't use much draw in my version, so a late game BTE is kind of backbreaking because there usually isn't anything in my hand that late. He's a chump blocker. Same as a Mystic. I have plenty of devotion already on board between Course, a mana dork or two, and a Nylea. Add a potential Hornet Queen, Terra Stomper or Nissa and I have the mana symbols I need. I don't run Cord, I don't have enough tools in the box. I'm pretty much Big, Green and fight.
Yeah, I use Chord and this guy is awesome for me even in late game. Sometimes that little big of extra devotion + convoke let's me nab a Hornet Queen.
This. People at my FNM scoffed at me having Hornet Queen in my deck, until I Genesis Hydra or Chord of Calling'd it out. It's so easy with Devotion. A 7/7 Hydra and 2/2 DT Hornet with four 1/1 DT Flyers for 9 Mana? Insane. With the amount of Devotion I can muster, on top of M14 Garruk, I want to try a 1-of Worldspine Wurm.
Besides this deck being over 60 cards (which is preferable to me because the excess cards are dorks), what changes would seem beneficial to this deck? :
I use the Eidolons for some form of card-draw but besides Hornets, and a Trampling Polukranos/Genesis Hydra, the deck often longs for more win-cons. It's incredibly consistent, setting up the end-game by Turn 4 and 5, but paying 4 mana for a 2/2 draw a card seems slow.
Besides this deck being over 60 cards (which is preferable to me because the excess cards are dorks), what changes would seem beneficial to this deck? :
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What's holding up your turn 4-5 fatties? If small creatures are problems, consider using Setessan Tactics to take out chump blockers. Also, you only have 1 Nylea, God of the Hunt in the deck, so you might opt to add a few dudes who already have trample or evasion built-in: Terra Stomper or Scuttling Doom Engine are what I'd go with.
Are Garruk, Genesis Hydra and Chord the only 3 Mono-Green cards that put a creature on the battlefield in Standard? I could also go for an artifact.
There's Yisan but she's pretty slow
Solid Snake is a HE.
I just realized what you were saying after trying to decipher it for like 5 minutes. Yeah, Yisan is a guy. Wizards said so. They also said Domri was a guy, but a lot if people still don't know that.
Anyway, time for actual advice. I'd go down to two Nykthos if you aren't running BTE, replacing them with Darksteel Citadels. It isn't that good without BTE in the deck, and you REALLY don't want to draw multiples.
So, Yisan is the only other one. Bleh. I don't care for him as he's way too slow. Not even an artifact? Oh, well.
P.s. I'm not sure what sex Ashiok is, but I've always called it a "she".
Ashiok is an it. A genderless non-human thing.
Ashiok (ASH-ee-ock) is a being that may have been human once, but if so, that time is now long past. Ashiok is not from Theros, but has come because of the strong power of devotion and belief of the plane’s mortals, and of its effect on its gods and Nyx. There is something special about Theros, and Ashiok seeks to reap this unique advantage.
Unlike the gods, Ashiok is not one to seek to become the object of belief. Instead this otherworldly mage seeks a twisted mirror of belief, the smoke and screams that waft from the cold corners of dream:
Ashiok is a mage of nightmare.
Ashiok’s power is to reach into the beliefs of others and find the fears that dwell inside. Ashiok knows that if fond thoughts of a god have power, then the dark phantasms spawned of fearing that god hold even more: where there is belief, there is doubt, and where there is doubt, there is the nightmare. And the world of Theros is a world full of believers.
With this power, Ashiok can summon beings born of nightmares, call them into reality, give them form. They become Ashiok’s minions, eager to please their master, freed from the dreams of the believer.
Over time, Ashiok’s power has taken a physical toll. The mage’s face has fallen away to smoky shadow. Nightmarish wisps swirl where a skull may have once resided. That these are no longer required is part of Ashiok’s enigma, and testament to the unnatural power Ashiok wields.
The nightmare weaver’s agenda is not yet known. Whether Ashiok comes to Theros for personal purposes, or as an emissary of some further force, is unclear. What is clear is that this mage is dangerous, perhaps to Therans in particular.
This deck just got man-handled. I went to my friends house yday and went up against his Mono-Blue splash red for Purphoros, God of the Forge. He uses Master of Waves' tokens to bomb you with Purphoros. Honestly, we didn't sideboard, because that was an agreement, but, still, it was over very quickly when he'd win. I'm not feeling as confident about the deck as I was before.
I almost feel like I need to splash black for kill spells. I do not have Abrupt Decay, however, so that's not an option. I will include Reaper of the Wilds, though.
I don't want to sound bad but why in the world do you not SB in testing? How can you possibly know what's not working if you have no clue how games 2-3 will turn out? Also, 4 skylashers in the SB would do wonders for your mono blue matchup which is a much better deck ATM than any random enchant deck you would find. Your deck is honestly top heavy and you need to decide which fat stays and which fat to trim. Your deck is also optimized for an enchant deck that hasn't really taken off yet. Maybe revisit after the new set comes out?
The only true thing about my deck that you mentioned was that I shouldn't have agreed to not sideboarding. I still need to figure out what I should replace Nissa with until I acquire her.
There is no replacement for Nissa. Get 3-4 now and sit till post rotation. This deck is not going to do much as long as there is this much removal in the format. I have a deck very similar, well not really, our card choices vary a lot, just sitting in a binder waiting to be played. Try 3-4 chord of calling + silver bullets to go with them.
Monstrosity is an 'instant' so can be activated at any stage.
OF COURSE you can run a ramp version of the deck without BTEs. 4x Mystics, 4x Caryatids and maybe 2x Voyaging Satyrs work just fine.
Works better in my opinion. BTE is good for a very fast start but it's terrible in the late game. I'd rather have the Mystics, Caryatids and Satyrs on top of Courser and even Eidolons, with Nykthos. The deck can get very explosive by turn 4-5.
I agree that you can probably play it without BTE and run Caryatids instead. Although I've seen people choke up because they have drawn way too many mana guys that give 1 devotion. I also agree that you could run some number of Eidolons. Good card is good, but... I disagree (again) that BTE is bad in the late game. In a devotion deck, that extra "free" devotion/attacker/blocker/convoker is very, very good at any stage of the game provided you have something else in your hand to cast off of it.
C Kozilek C
GB Gitrog GB
G Titania G
WU Brago WU
GB MerenGB
Duel Commander Decks
UR Keranos UR
BRG Jund BRG
GR Tron GR GW Tron GW
C Eldrazi Tron (SB) C
BG Lantern Control BG
UW Control (SB) UW
I guess the difference being in what we're using the actual "devotion" for. In my version, my devotion is used to fuel Nykthos to cast things like a Genesis Hydra for whatever, minimum 7. I don't use much draw in my version, so a late game BTE is kind of backbreaking because there usually isn't anything in my hand that late. He's a chump blocker. Same as a Mystic. I have plenty of devotion already on board between Course, a mana dork or two, and a Nylea. Add a potential Hornet Queen, Terra Stomper or Nissa and I have the mana symbols I need. I don't run Cord, I don't have enough tools in the box. I'm pretty much Big, Green and fight.
Yeah, I use Chord and this guy is awesome for me even in late game. Sometimes that little big of extra devotion + convoke let's me nab a Hornet Queen.
C Kozilek C
GB Gitrog GB
G Titania G
WU Brago WU
GB MerenGB
Duel Commander Decks
UR Keranos UR
BRG Jund BRG
GR Tron GR GW Tron GW
C Eldrazi Tron (SB) C
BG Lantern Control BG
UW Control (SB) UW
This. People at my FNM scoffed at me having Hornet Queen in my deck, until I Genesis Hydra or Chord of Calling'd it out. It's so easy with Devotion. A 7/7 Hydra and 2/2 DT Hornet with four 1/1 DT Flyers for 9 Mana? Insane. With the amount of Devotion I can muster, on top of M14 Garruk, I want to try a 1-of Worldspine Wurm.
3x Burning-Tree Emissary
4x Courser of Kruphix
3x Eidolon of Blossoms
4x Elvish Mystic
3x Genesis Hydra
2x Hornet Queen
1x Nylea, God of the Hunt
3x Polukranos, World Eater
3x Sylvan Caryatid
4x Voyaging Satyr
18x Forest
4x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
3x Garruk, Caller of Beasts
2x Nissa, Worldwaker
I use the Eidolons for some form of card-draw but besides Hornets, and a Trampling Polukranos/Genesis Hydra, the deck often longs for more win-cons. It's incredibly consistent, setting up the end-game by Turn 4 and 5, but paying 4 mana for a 2/2 draw a card seems slow.
What's holding up your turn 4-5 fatties? If small creatures are problems, consider using Setessan Tactics to take out chump blockers. Also, you only have 1 Nylea, God of the Hunt in the deck, so you might opt to add a few dudes who already have trample or evasion built-in: Terra Stomper or Scuttling Doom Engine are what I'd go with.
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Solid Snake is a HE.
I just realized what you were saying after trying to decipher it for like 5 minutes. Yeah, Yisan is a guy. Wizards said so. They also said Domri was a guy, but a lot if people still don't know that.
Anyway, time for actual advice. I'd go down to two Nykthos if you aren't running BTE, replacing them with Darksteel Citadels. It isn't that good without BTE in the deck, and you REALLY don't want to draw multiples.
P.s. I'm not sure what sex Ashiok is, but I've always called it a "she".
Ashiok is an it. A genderless non-human thing.
C Kozilek C
GB Gitrog GB
G Titania G
WU Brago WU
GB MerenGB
Duel Commander Decks
UR Keranos UR
BRG Jund BRG
GR Tron GR GW Tron GW
C Eldrazi Tron (SB) C
BG Lantern Control BG
UW Control (SB) UW
3x Burning-Tree Emissary
4x Courser of Kruphix
4x Elvish Mystic
3x Genesis Hydra
2x Nylea, God of the Hunt
4x Polukranos, World Eater
3x Scuttling Doom Engine
4x Voyaging Satyr
2x Reclamation Sage
1x Hydra Broodmaster
20x Forest
4x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Sorcery (3)
3x Life's Legacy
Planeswalker (3)
3x Nissa, Worldwaker
2x Arbor Colossus
2x Hornet Queen
4x Nylea's Disciple
3x Mistcutter Hydra
4x Unravel the Aether
I almost feel like I need to splash black for kill spells. I do not have Abrupt Decay, however, so that's not an option. I will include Reaper of the Wilds, though.
I don't want to sound bad but why in the world do you not SB in testing? How can you possibly know what's not working if you have no clue how games 2-3 will turn out? Also, 4 skylashers in the SB would do wonders for your mono blue matchup which is a much better deck ATM than any random enchant deck you would find. Your deck is honestly top heavy and you need to decide which fat stays and which fat to trim. Your deck is also optimized for an enchant deck that hasn't really taken off yet. Maybe revisit after the new set comes out?
11 Forest
4 Llanowar Wastes
3 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Swamp
2 Temple of Malady
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Spells
2 Garruk, Apex Predator
3 Golgari Charm
3 Nissa, Worldwaker
3 Courser of Kruphix
3 Eidolon of Blossoms
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Genesis Hydra
1 Hornet Queen
2 Nylea, God of the Hunt
3 Polukranos, World Eater
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Voyaging Satyr
1 Golgari Charm
2 Mistcutter Hydra
3 Nylea's Disciple
3 Reclamation Sage
2 Scuttling Doom Engine
2 Pithing Needle
2 Phyrexian Revoker
Here's my deck with a small black splash. I'm happy with it and will probably pilot it at Game Day this weekend.