I don't think that BT is worth splashing. While play testing my version of mono white I found that i always had enough land to drop LtF on all of my creatures. In a perfect world you would think that you would be attacking with a ton; in reality you're looking at spending 2 or 3 to target everyone.
I have found that this guy Tethmos High Priest Seems like it will make a great addition since he can make sure that Phalanx Leader stays on the board.
Brimaz, King of Oreskos is another great card you shall consider, doesn't die against red easily, and becomes public enemy #1 against other decks, so they ignore your Hero of Iroas or another bestow target for a while
Banishing Light and Oppressive Rays in SB.
Brave the Elements perhaps in SB too. It only seems strong against red sweepers (Anger) or lots of blockers (RG). Against Esper or Monoblack, you're just using it to protect one creature most of the time... at which point Gods Willing or Ajani's Presence are better because they trigger Heroic.
Oppressive Rays seems awful for Constructed. It basically just says, "this creature can't attack... unless its controller has three lands in play and wants to attack with it." Sure, it's only one mana, but what does it do besides mildly inconvenience your opponent?
We're talking aggro/midrange here. They want to attack every turn, play creatures every turn, and they can't do both. Therefore it's almost as good as Pacifism but cheaper. Vs. Control, you want to win before their expensive finisher shows up. Let's be explicit here: Turn 2, they play a blocker. Your turn 2, Oppressive Rays, Attack, play another creature. If they want to spend all of Turn 3 enabling their blocker, I'm happy. If they leave it stuck, I'm happy.
We're talking aggro/midrange here. They want to attack every turn, play creatures every turn, and they can't do both. Therefore it's almost as good as Pacifism but cheaper. Vs. Control, you want to win before their expensive finisher shows up.
It often has a free Falter attached to it too. We're playing aggressive white deck. Opponent taps out to play annoying blocker, like Courser of Kruphix. For 1 mana, we both stop it from blocking this turn and make it very very difficult for the opponent to attack or block with it in future turns, assuming they want to do stuff in the game other than attack and block with that one creature. It's tempo.
Sure, it sucks when they have 8 mana, but so does about half the deck. 20 land decks don't play cards because of how good they are when players are at 8 mana.
So i picked up some Tethnos, Spirit of Labyrinth, Launch the Fleet ,Banishing Light and Deicide
I figure deicide will be critical in getting rid of Thassa, Banishing light for big threats like Desecration, Stormbreath etc, I imagine spirit is worth the slot cuz it shuts down underworld connections and revelation but what else does it shut down I'm rather new to the game , just starting out competitive.
But I still think both Eidolons are worth running just cuz they are abusable off Hero of Iroas reducing the cost. Plus I need enough targeters. Band leader seems nice but Im looking to play super aggressive with this build
I dont wannt the mana curve to be high at all because i have bestowers that I have to cast. so I count 5 three drops in the main.
I feel like I improved the side alot with adding banishing and deicide.
Any other changes I should make besides adding Ajani(ill pick him up this week at FNM)
Im going to be honest with you the only maindeck changes ive made so far is to add two ajanis presence maindeck. The rest are "win more" cards. The set comes out on mtgo tomorrow so ill be able to test. Ill be adding two deicide to the sideboard. You have to remember your meta choices. The orzhov god is the only one that will be effective early and thats all we care about. Tethnos maybe one main one board. Remember the deck runs on alotve pumps and tricks for heroic. So three mana removal really sucks here. Banishing light is better for straight WW. And just fyi it doesnt kill bloodbaron or stormbreath dragon so its not very useful. This deck dominates mono blue so why worry about thassa. I know it targets alot but you need to be applying pressure and getting around obstacles. Ppl ask why i dont play band leader and the other one drop and its this simple bro. Why play a one drop heroic i cant bestow on turn two? Just play your 2/1 guaranteed threats and play heroic creatures that matter that benefit your board. If you play on mtgo let me know. I have the whole meta built so you can test.
really appreciate your insight man I am actually taking this to FNM next friday and I picked up 2 pride caller for 15 so im gunna take ure advice and make some changes and tell me what you think
The only cards I lack are literally mutavault but honestly its not worth 100 for a playset when their is no way in hell i can flip them before rotation
im gunna play around with both tethmos and fabled hero see which i like better
I really like the balance yur build has im just scared to run a second spear and 3 fabled cuz I dont wanna have too manna 3 drops opening and get stuck
I still think glare is great value for 2 mana considering how limited white is in terms of good side board stuff
Any way you can tell me what to side in certain matchups. Ive been watching of pro videos seeing how blue and black devotion work but am unsure what to side and likewise for Boros,naya and jund lol
GR- 3xacolytes reward-Out-anything but fabled hero lol. possibly brave if you feel threatened by anger. I usually don't if I won game one.
Orzhov- bring the house its going to be a long day. Beat it three times at the event. gonna be honest totally dependent on their list.
Mazes end-no idea its garbage. Don't have much game against it but it loses to mono b and red decks so just hope it gets culled out.
If you're going to refuse to go with mutavault. run one heliod, and two or three nyxthos shrines. Its alwas good to add a new wrinkle they aren't counting on.
and all I changed from my list maindeck from the tourney is OUt-1xdrayd militand-1x hopeful eidolon in 2x ajanis presence lol.
2xdeicide
2xbrave the elements
4xfiendslayer
1xbanishing light
1xtetmos priest
2xacolytes reward
3xglare
Most recent sideboard. Played fnm tonight went 4/1/1 had the tie against orzhov. Main and side need some tuning, but overall went as expected. Very pleased with 3x ajanis presence maindecked.
You guys have been really helpful. I am about to make this deck and was looking for some more insight as to how it plays out.
And just reading the back and forth between you two has answered a lot of questions.
If I ever find anything revolutionary to this deck I will be sure to add it but, so far looks pretty awesome guys.
What do you guys think of this pseudo-aggro heroics build? I like the idea of incorporating Brimaz and Heliod in as an alternate attack strategy, and feel like it has a nice balance of 1 and 2 mana sets to keep my momentum in the early rounds. Any suggestions for edits and sideboard additions? (I'm having issues with the deck/cards functions, so I've listed it out in ugly format below..)
Creatures: 4 Favored Hoplite, 4 Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, 4 Hero of Iroas, 3 Hopeful Eidolon, 3 Fabled Hero, 2 Eidolon of Countless Battles, 2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos, 2 Heliod, God of the Sun
Spells: 4 Banishing Light, 3 Ajani's Presence, 3 Gods Willing, 2 Ordeal of Heliod, 2 Spear of Heliod
I went 3-1 that night. My first game was against a scrub, but the second was a Selesneya Charm deck, that went on the longest, but thanks to the card draw of the Ordeal and Stratus walk I was never without a Gods Willing. The third game was a mono green deck, and both of those went super fast, i won both games early. The last game was against a Mono Black Devotion, the first game he won but it was close, the second game I lucked out and was able to draw creatures to keep his Desecration Demon tapped, but the last game I got mana flooded. Overall not a bad night.
4 Dryad Militant
2 Fabled Hero
4 Hero of Iroas
4 Phalanx Leader
4 Soldier of the Pantheon
Enchantment Creatures:10
3 Eidolon of Countless Battles
4 Nyxborn Shieldmate
3 Hopeful Eidolon
2 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Enchantments:3
3 Ethereal Armor
Instants: 6
2 Ajani's Presence
4 Gods Willing
1 Spear of Heliod
Lands: 20
20 Plains
3 Spirit of the Labyrinth
3 Glare of Heresy
2 Deicide
3 Rootborn Defenses
Please use the deck tag rather than individual card tags for a decklist. Thanks! -rujasu
Battlefield Thaumaturge might be worth splashing for as well.
I have found that this guy Tethmos High Priest Seems like it will make a great addition since he can make sure that Phalanx Leader stays on the board.
I also cut the Hopeful Eidolon for Lagonna-Band Trailblazer. Lagonna-Band Trailblazer is a great early blocker that seems more useful than a 1/1 lifelink.
The only net decking I do involves the Home Depot
Brimaz, King of Oreskos is another great card you shall consider, doesn't die against red easily, and becomes public enemy #1 against other decks, so they ignore your Hero of Iroas or another bestow target for a while
Also, Tethmos High Priest is worth a try, you have 23 legal targets right now for it. Or you may change Hero of Iroas for Favored Hoplite or Lagonna-Band Trailblazer and try to run Immortal Servitude. 4 mana to return almost all your dudes to the board
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4 Favored Hoplite
4 Nyxborn Shieldmate
4 Phalanx Leader
4 Hero of Iroas
4 Anax and Cymede
2 Hopeful Eidolon
2 Eidolon of Countless Battles
3 Launch the Fleet
4 Gods Willing
3 Ajani's Presence
2 Madcap Skills
Banishing Light and Oppressive Rays in SB.
Brave the Elements perhaps in SB too. It only seems strong against red sweepers (Anger) or lots of blockers (RG). Against Esper or Monoblack, you're just using it to protect one creature most of the time... at which point Gods Willing or Ajani's Presence are better because they trigger Heroic.
GB Electric Dreams BG Deal 20 in one shot, or discard their hand?
GWU Free Stuff Midrange UWG Slowly bury the opponent with more threats and answers than they can handle.
My greatest hits:
GURFate Reforged Temur Ascendancy COMBORUG
GUDragons of Tarkir Whisperwood Forever UG
It often has a free Falter attached to it too. We're playing aggressive white deck. Opponent taps out to play annoying blocker, like Courser of Kruphix. For 1 mana, we both stop it from blocking this turn and make it very very difficult for the opponent to attack or block with it in future turns, assuming they want to do stuff in the game other than attack and block with that one creature. It's tempo.
Sure, it sucks when they have 8 mana, but so does about half the deck. 20 land decks don't play cards because of how good they are when players are at 8 mana.
So i picked up some Tethnos, Spirit of Labyrinth, Launch the Fleet ,Banishing Light and Deicide
I figure deicide will be critical in getting rid of Thassa, Banishing light for big threats like Desecration, Stormbreath etc, I imagine spirit is worth the slot cuz it shuts down underworld connections and revelation but what else does it shut down I'm rather new to the game , just starting out competitive.
But I still think both Eidolons are worth running just cuz they are abusable off Hero of Iroas reducing the cost. Plus I need enough targeters. Band leader seems nice but Im looking to play super aggressive with this build
I dont wannt the mana curve to be high at all because i have bestowers that I have to cast. so I count 5 three drops in the main.
I feel like I improved the side alot with adding banishing and deicide.
Any other changes I should make besides adding Ajani(ill pick him up this week at FNM)
Should I cut dryad militant for something else
The only cards I lack are literally mutavault but honestly its not worth 100 for a playset when their is no way in hell i can flip them before rotation
im gunna play around with both tethmos and fabled hero see which i like better
I really like the balance yur build has im just scared to run a second spear and 3 fabled cuz I dont wanna have too manna 3 drops opening and get stuck
I still think glare is great value for 2 mana considering how limited white is in terms of good side board stuff
Any way you can tell me what to side in certain matchups. Ive been watching of pro videos seeing how blue and black devotion work but am unsure what to side and likewise for Boros,naya and jund lol
GR- 3xacolytes reward-Out-anything but fabled hero lol. possibly brave if you feel threatened by anger. I usually don't if I won game one.
Orzhov- bring the house its going to be a long day. Beat it three times at the event. gonna be honest totally dependent on their list.
Mazes end-no idea its garbage. Don't have much game against it but it loses to mono b and red decks so just hope it gets culled out.
If you're going to refuse to go with mutavault. run one heliod, and two or three nyxthos shrines. Its alwas good to add a new wrinkle they aren't counting on.
and all I changed from my list maindeck from the tourney is OUt-1xdrayd militand-1x hopeful eidolon in 2x ajanis presence lol.
2xbrave the elements
4xfiendslayer
1xbanishing light
1xtetmos priest
2xacolytes reward
3xglare
Most recent sideboard. Played fnm tonight went 4/1/1 had the tie against orzhov. Main and side need some tuning, but overall went as expected. Very pleased with 3x ajanis presence maindecked.
And just reading the back and forth between you two has answered a lot of questions.
If I ever find anything revolutionary to this deck I will be sure to add it but, so far looks pretty awesome guys.
Creatures: 4 Favored Hoplite, 4 Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, 4 Hero of Iroas, 3 Hopeful Eidolon, 3 Fabled Hero, 2 Eidolon of Countless Battles, 2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos, 2 Heliod, God of the Sun
Spells: 4 Banishing Light, 3 Ajani's Presence, 3 Gods Willing, 2 Ordeal of Heliod, 2 Spear of Heliod
Lands: 22 Plains
I had 4 Fabled Heroes though, and used Preeminent Captain , plus it had a good blue mix.
Aqueous Form
Ordeal of Thassa for Card Draw.
Stratus Walk
and also have
2 Battle Mastery
I also had 2 extra Ajani's Presence and I currently use 22 land.
I went 3-1 that night. My first game was against a scrub, but the second was a Selesneya Charm deck, that went on the longest, but thanks to the card draw of the Ordeal and Stratus walk I was never without a Gods Willing. The third game was a mono green deck, and both of those went super fast, i won both games early. The last game was against a Mono Black Devotion, the first game he won but it was close, the second game I lucked out and was able to draw creatures to keep his Desecration Demon tapped, but the last game I got mana flooded. Overall not a bad night.
I'd recommend Hushwing Gryff as a counter to Gary's.