I am surprised that Habel took it without Courser or Arbor Colossus in his 75, can anybody explain how his list with 3x Scavenging Ooze and 3x Boon Satyr made the difference?
I am unwilling to remove Courser from my 75 without a good argument, to me it just seems that the deck is just that more aggressive.
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Playing Fanatic of Xenagos or Boon Satyr instead of Courser really tilts the mirror match in your favor but at the expense of all your other matchups. I'm personally not a fan of three Scoozes and feel like he ciild just be running Courser alongside Boon Satyr in some number.
I personally shifted 2 Boon Satyrs into the board and I run 3 each Fanatic and Courser in the maindeck. Has worked well so far.
This standard is pretty good time to play green / red with all the cards that basically let you draw more. Courser, Domri, Garruk, Chandra... its a blast.
Could be a meta call. Courser is bad against UWx in at least 3 ways, being a semi expensive creature that dies to last breath, giving your opponent complete information on your draws, and lacking in the kind of meat or evasion to credibly threaten a life total pre eslpeth or battle past tokens post elspeth.
Rather than focus on just the deck that got first which can often be attributed to luck as much as minor deck tweaks you could say that of the 4 GR monster decks in the top 8 there were 8 copies of courser. In the top 16 there were 16. That puts it on par with xenawalker in terms of high ranking representation, not a bad place to be.
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Well like I said in another thread. The reason GR took off is because Mono-Blue fall out of favor and Mono-Black players are still stuck in the pre-BNG meta with all their Bile Blight, Devour Flesh, even Drown in Sorrow etc. which are all just terrible against GR Monsters.
I twittered to Cedric Philips and Patrick Sullivan also said it on the camera, Mono-Black has all the tools to beat that matchup. They just have to finally switch up their removal suite and play Doom Blade and/or Ultimate Price maindeck again like they did in the beginning and things will start to change again.
Until that happens and/or Mono-Blue picks up again it is certainly a good time to play GR Monsters but the hate is there. It is just a question of how long it will take to catch on.
Well like I said in another thread. The reason GR took off is because Mono-Blue fall out of favor and Mono-Black players are still stuck in the pre-BNG meta with all their Bile Blight, Devour Flesh, even Drown in Sorrow etc. which are all just terrible against GR Monsters.
I twittered to Cedric Philips and Patrick Sullivan also said it on the camera, Mono-Black has all the tools to beat that matchup. They just have to finally switch up their removal suite and play Doom Blade and/or Ultimate Price maindeck again like they did in the beginning and things will start to change again.
Until that happens and/or Mono-Blue picks up again it is certainly a good time to play GR Monsters but the hate is there. It is just a question of how long it will take to catch on.
This. You only have to look at the highest placed black list, 11th. 1 Doom Blade Sideboard. 3 Lifebane is also relevant if we're being generous, but how enthusiastic do you feel looking at your 3 Bile Blight and 3 Devour Flesh when you have 4 cards to bring in? Well, at least no mana dorks are surviving.
G/R monsters, no Courser, no Xenagod wins. Yow. The Fanatic of Xenagos seems really, really bad though. Boon satyr was enormous.
I think it's bad in G/R monsters, which is more or less about getting out big difficult to answer threats coupled with incremental advantage through Planeswalkers and cards like Courser, Boon Satyr or Scavenging Ooze. The deck doesn't really want something like Fanatic, which serves as only a somewhat above the curve beater. It is fine in the mirror, which is why I think he performed well through the day (As the extra muscle allows you to push through damage faster than an opponent running Courser), but ultimately it is really weak against most of the other MUs. Rampager gets around this in that it allows you to push through damage on top of being a good sized body. It's just versatile.
I think if Fanatic has a home, it's going to be a more traditional G/R aggro build with a bunch of redundancy built in that functions mostly on 1-2 drops, with a good number of 3 and very sparing in the 4 drop and above range.
Well like I said in another thread. The reason GR took off is because Mono-Blue fall out of favor and Mono-Black players are still stuck in the pre-BNG meta with all their Bile Blight, Devour Flesh, even Drown in Sorrow etc. which are all just terrible against GR Monsters.
I twittered to Cedric Philips and Patrick Sullivan also said it on the camera, Mono-Black has all the tools to beat that matchup. They just have to finally switch up their removal suite and play Doom Blade and/or Ultimate Price maindeck again like they did in the beginning and things will start to change again.
Until that happens and/or Mono-Blue picks up again it is certainly a good time to play GR Monsters but the hate is there. It is just a question of how long it will take to catch on.
This. You only have to look at the highest placed black list, 11th. 1 Doom Blade Sideboard. 3 Lifebane is also relevant if we're being generous, but how enthusiastic do you feel looking at your 3 Bile Blight and 3 Devour Flesh when you have 4 cards to bring in? Well, at least no mana dorks are surviving.
I noticed this after playing Mono-B almost immediately. I don't think the Meta is really in the right spot for Devour Flesh at all anymore. It's hedging bets for something that shouldn't come up much, and in most cases Doom Blade is probably better (I personally prefer Ultimate Price). I think Bile Blight has a place, as G/R tends to get greedy with their hands often, and disrupting mana production is a perfectly serviceable. That said, I think it's probably as a 2, not a 3 or 4 after some testing. It's mainly great dealing with opposing Mutavaults more than anything in many MUs. I also think that Duress could very well be maindeckable now. G/R monsters runs a ton of planeswalkers, and Thoughtseize/Downfall only goes so far. I'm going to test out 1-2 mainboard Duress simply because of this.
So lets say Mono B puts the Doom Blades and Ultimate Price back into the mainboard, does that at least make Bile Blight a sideboard card for the mirror?
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So lets say Mono B puts the Doom Blades and Ultimate Price back into the mainboard, does that at least make Bile Blight a sideboard card for the mirror?
I would still advocate some number in the main as it is good against the mirror, aggro, mono-U, and especially Mutavault. Personally, I don't like Doom Blade at all in the main, as it is almost completely worthless in the mirror where you have to hope they get a Mutavault out. I'm running 3 Ultimate Price and 2 Bile Blight in the main, and I find that pretty good.
I really like the Jund monsters deck and I think Ketter was wiped out by a super nut draw from CVM.
Seems like the reaction to Bile Blight has been to stack creatures with 4 toughness. Mono black will have to adapt.
I think mono blue was a bit missing. Tidebinder Mage and Master of Waves are just super cards against GR. As we saw round 1 CVM struggled hard even though his opponent was nowhere near the same skill level.
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I am unwilling to remove Courser from my 75 without a good argument, to me it just seems that the deck is just that more aggressive.
This standard is pretty good time to play green / red with all the cards that basically let you draw more. Courser, Domri, Garruk, Chandra... its a blast.
Rather than focus on just the deck that got first which can often be attributed to luck as much as minor deck tweaks you could say that of the 4 GR monster decks in the top 8 there were 8 copies of courser. In the top 16 there were 16. That puts it on par with xenawalker in terms of high ranking representation, not a bad place to be.
I twittered to Cedric Philips and Patrick Sullivan also said it on the camera, Mono-Black has all the tools to beat that matchup. They just have to finally switch up their removal suite and play Doom Blade and/or Ultimate Price maindeck again like they did in the beginning and things will start to change again.
Until that happens and/or Mono-Blue picks up again it is certainly a good time to play GR Monsters but the hate is there. It is just a question of how long it will take to catch on.
This. You only have to look at the highest placed black list, 11th. 1 Doom Blade Sideboard. 3 Lifebane is also relevant if we're being generous, but how enthusiastic do you feel looking at your 3 Bile Blight and 3 Devour Flesh when you have 4 cards to bring in? Well, at least no mana dorks are surviving.
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I think it's bad in G/R monsters, which is more or less about getting out big difficult to answer threats coupled with incremental advantage through Planeswalkers and cards like Courser, Boon Satyr or Scavenging Ooze. The deck doesn't really want something like Fanatic, which serves as only a somewhat above the curve beater. It is fine in the mirror, which is why I think he performed well through the day (As the extra muscle allows you to push through damage faster than an opponent running Courser), but ultimately it is really weak against most of the other MUs. Rampager gets around this in that it allows you to push through damage on top of being a good sized body. It's just versatile.
I think if Fanatic has a home, it's going to be a more traditional G/R aggro build with a bunch of redundancy built in that functions mostly on 1-2 drops, with a good number of 3 and very sparing in the 4 drop and above range.
I noticed this after playing Mono-B almost immediately. I don't think the Meta is really in the right spot for Devour Flesh at all anymore. It's hedging bets for something that shouldn't come up much, and in most cases Doom Blade is probably better (I personally prefer Ultimate Price). I think Bile Blight has a place, as G/R tends to get greedy with their hands often, and disrupting mana production is a perfectly serviceable. That said, I think it's probably as a 2, not a 3 or 4 after some testing. It's mainly great dealing with opposing Mutavaults more than anything in many MUs. I also think that Duress could very well be maindeckable now. G/R monsters runs a ton of planeswalkers, and Thoughtseize/Downfall only goes so far. I'm going to test out 1-2 mainboard Duress simply because of this.
I would still advocate some number in the main as it is good against the mirror, aggro, mono-U, and especially Mutavault. Personally, I don't like Doom Blade at all in the main, as it is almost completely worthless in the mirror where you have to hope they get a Mutavault out. I'm running 3 Ultimate Price and 2 Bile Blight in the main, and I find that pretty good.
I really like the Jund monsters deck and I think Ketter was wiped out by a super nut draw from CVM.
Seems like the reaction to Bile Blight has been to stack creatures with 4 toughness. Mono black will have to adapt.
I think mono blue was a bit missing. Tidebinder Mage and Master of Waves are just super cards against GR. As we saw round 1 CVM struggled hard even though his opponent was nowhere near the same skill level.