I run Mono Green
I have faced tons and tons of lifebane zombies
End of the story
I still play mono green
Lifebane is a great card don't get me wrong, but I run 35 freaking creatures, and can usually refill my hand on turn 4 with Garruk. I care very little about lifebane zombie.
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Lifebane Zombie is as good against you as Sin Collector is against control or Supreme Verdict is against aggro. Every deck has good and bad matchups, and cards that are good and bad against it, but that doesn't invalidate an entire strategy.
I don't know, maybe your meta has more mono black decks than usual and you face Lifebane Zombies every round. If that's the case I agree your deck might not be the best choice, but that doesn't mean you should quit playing standard. You just need to tweak it, or simply build another one better suited for your meta.
Alright guys, I think I'm going to cut the White and try to ramp past him into Garruk or Primeval Bounty. No reason to play GW Aggro (attackers with less than 4 toughness) against this menace.
Seriously - with all the people on here telling you that LBZ is not as back-breaking as you might imagine, you go and ignore each and every one of them.
No LBZ is not destroy 2 permanents. It's a 2-for-1, something that people have to play around since the beginning of magic. Sin Collector is a 2-for-1, does anyone stop playing control? Divination, because you get up 1 card above the opponent, does a similar thing - is anyone complaining about that?
LBZ is not the end-all for green and white lists. Given the litany of stupid posts you have made in this thread, you are either refusing to see good advice, or just obtuse.
If you're having trouble with Lifebane Zombie in GW, you may be playing the wrong GW deck for your meta. Not to mention, mono black only has 3 of them post-board, and only has them in game 2/3. There are plenty of times when you play turn 1 dude, turn 2 dude, they play Lifebane only to see Selesnya Charm, Advent of the Wurm, Call of the Conclave, land or something.
Seriously - with all the people on here telling you that LBZ is not as back-breaking as you might imagine, you go and ignore each and every one of them.
No LBZ is not destroy 2 permanents. It's a 2-for-1, something that people have to play around since the beginning of magic. Sin Collector is a 2-for-1, does anyone stop playing control? Divination, because you get up 1 card above the opponent, does a similar thing - is anyone complaining about that?
LBZ is not the end-all for green and white lists. Given the litany of stupid posts you have made in this thread, you are either refusing to see good advice, or just obtuse.
Whoa there... I do not think I made a bunch of stupid posts. The worst post in the thread is the one where the guy assumes my deck is full of Worldspine Wurms and offers no advice. The only advice I received was run more Advents, Charms, and Conclaves (I was running 4 of each already) and ramp past him. I have decided I will try the ramp idea.
I never said I wanted the card banned... I am just stating there is no reason to run Green/White aggro with this guy around (and monoblack being so popular). Hopefully some other people will see this thread before they invest time and money into green/white aggro cards.
I don't understand. Is the issue the discard effect? If so, why play anything when thoughtseize is around?
Is it the 3/1 intimidating body? Can gw not race that?
I'm not sure what the problem is here, perhaps you can expand on it a bit.
Edit: genini, if this was reddit, I would upvote that post to oblivion.
I don't mean to split hairs here but Lifebane Zombie doesn't actually force an opponent to discard. He exiles meaning Loxodon smiter is having a bad bad day.
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Would Dark Confidant still be good if he punched you in the face for 5 damage a turn?
Lifebane zombie can be a bit of a liability for the black player. I see a bunch of gw players complaining that it's a 2 for 1, but i am also a gw player and i would like to tell you that it doesn't have to be a problem.
If lifebane doesn't get a card from you then he's 3 power for 3 cmc with no card advantage. That's not such a great turn 3 play compared to something like thassa or reckoner. You do need to be realistic about the fact that he is very good at hurting gw midrange decks, but there are things you can do like faster aggro, combat tricks, combos decks like hexproof, token creatures, or you can design your deck to ramp toward a non-creature win condition. E.g. Elspeth or enchantments of some sort.
Alright guys, I think I'm going to cut the White and try to ramp past him into Garruk or Primeval Bounty. No reason to play GW Aggro (attackers with less than 4 toughness) against this menace.
You'll just be crying thoughtseize and hero's downfall next, then and that your deck is too slow. Don't try to shift away from problems. Use better deck building technique and play to fix it. It is one thing if the top tier deck is packing 50% of creatures that are pro green or white. It is another thing to have one card (2-4 copies) in the sideboard that 2 for 1s you if played in the first 3-4 turns (roughly 50% chance of this happening) and is a so-so to subpar card after that. LBZ is a great card but if it is bothering you, you're just walking into a direction that you'll complain more from later.
Alright guys, I think I'm going to cut the White and try to ramp past him into Garruk or Primeval Bounty. No reason to play GW Aggro (attackers with less than 4 toughness) against this menace.
I think you'll find going for a ramp strategy isn't going to help your mono-black matchup. I honestly think you're better of sticking with GW aggro, play tons of creatures and just overload their removal. The ramp strategy is just going to leave your big threats vulnerable to black's spot removal.
Whoa there... I do not think I made a bunch of stupid posts. The worst post in the thread is the one where the guy assumes my deck is full of Worldspine Wurms and offers no advice. The only advice I received was run more Advents, Charms, and Conclaves (I was running 4 of each already) and ramp past him. I have decided I will try the ramp idea.
I never said I wanted the card banned... I am just stating there is no reason to run Green/White aggro with this guy around (and monoblack being so popular). Hopefully some other people will see this thread before they invest time and money into green/white aggro cards.
The worst post of the thread is this, where you try to state that "there is no reason to run Green/White aggro with this guy around."
The amount of stupidity in this overarching statement is overwhelming. If you haven't noticed, White Weenie aggro won the last GP. Shrout got second at a recent SCG open with a straight up GW list, as well as top 4ing the SCG invitational.
I'm playing Mono Black and GW is the deck that I don't want to face because the matchup is not in my favour. We have a hard time handling super fast aggro. The worst cards for me are Voice of Resurgence and Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Chaining multiple Lifebane Zombie is a way to get some freewins yes, and it's a two for one, but you got your own 2 for 1 in Voice of Resurgence. If a GW Players gets 2 into play im very hard pressed to win the game. Boon Satyr and Advent of the Wurm are other cards that hurt Mono Black too. Maybe you should just adjust your build to beat Mono Black because it certainly can and will many times.
He is annoying I'll grant you that, I can't really give you anything other than splash red or black in your build to effectively kill the bugger or chaining him to a rock....
If unwilling to splash I'd just say ramp past it and play more creatures.... :/
Doesn't really help I know >.<"
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Standard: Mardu Midrange, Jeskai Wins, Naya Walkers, Boss Sligh, Mono Black Aggro
Modern: RUG Scapeshift, Burn, UG Infect
Legacy: Death n Taxes, Burn, Tendrils
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion, Krenko, Mob Boss, Narset, Enlightened Master
It's the deck Lifebane Zombie lives in that makes the card more broken than it is in a vaccum. Its also the fact that nearly all of mono-black sideboard cards for other decks happen to work great against GW (duress, lifebane).
I just disagree with how efficient all of black's answer cards are and Lifebane is just part of the package.
I run 4 4 4 4 of those cards. I run 36-37 threats counting the charms. Im not saying post sideboard Black is unbeatable but Lifebane Zombie is unless I draw the exact right amount of lands.
Tatebomb what do you mean green ramps past LBZ? He is a turn three play and if you understand my struggles the last thing i want to do is put mana dorks giving me less real threats.
I for one, would greatly enjoy seeing a g/w deck with 36/37 threats but loses outright to a set of lbz.
Decklist?
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Vintage. That's about it. Maybe Standard, if it could get it together into something interesting enough to play.
I for one, would greatly enjoy seeing a g/w deck with 36/37 threats but loses outright to a set of lbz.
Decklist?
36 threats, 23 lands, and 1 EagleEyeCherry piloting it. In all seriousness, we know he has playsets of selesnya charm, boon satyr, advent of the wurm, call of the conclave. And that he's proceeding to complain about a card that is "always a 2 for 1" when it is only such maybe half the time when he's playing a deck that should have 4 rootborn defenses (a card that you could consider a 2 for 1 much more often than LBZ). So we have a general idea of what his deck is.
Well, hopefully we will see less LBZ after the new set is released. Considering what a boost the black, black/white, and Esper control decks got in this set, they will need more and more cards out of the SB to deal with the mirror matches.
Two things:
-Standard is more balanced now than I ever remember it being. Things like LBZ generally do not cripple any decks completely. LBZ is a good hate card; it's obviously not ruining the format.
-One could argue that certain cards are overpowered/ make Standard less fun. No one less than Brian Kibler has complained that Thoughtseize, a legit "broken"/"overpowered" card (this because it's almost always good, seldom merely situationally so as LBZ is), hurts Standard. But Mr. Kibler, along with other forward-thinking players who understand that the game has cards that are more powerful than others, plans and play accordingly.
I don't see the point in kvetching. This isn't affinity. This isn't even Faeries or Jund.
Lol. And this isn't even close one of those cases that required an emergency ban like the one we has in Zen-Som standard for Jace TMS and stoneforge mystic.
-Standard is more balanced now than I ever remember it being. Things like LBZ generally do not cripple any decks completely. LBZ is a good hate card; it's obviously not ruining the format.
Well, I've been seeing a slow and steady increase in mono-black players, and that deck is starting to dominate. I can't see anything in the new set that will change that--in fact, mono black or black control decks seem to get the strongest cards in the set so it should, on paper, only be a stronger choice. We'll see if it gets to that Caw-blade level of dominance or not.
Why does one color get all the fun? The funniest thing is that Lifebane Zombie gets Intimidate instead of Unblockable. If I play black like everyone else who is competitive, then I can stop him! Are we going to get some Black hate that isn't also in Black and a 5 drop in the next set?
Should I just trade all my cards for Thoughseizes and play the market instead of the game until LBZ rotates? I actually don't have a problem with this card but I see where the next year and a half are headed.
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I have faced tons and tons of lifebane zombies
End of the story
I still play mono green
Lifebane is a great card don't get me wrong, but I run 35 freaking creatures, and can usually refill my hand on turn 4 with Garruk. I care very little about lifebane zombie.
Tried to pull away, but now I'm Back At it
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I don't know, maybe your meta has more mono black decks than usual and you face Lifebane Zombies every round. If that's the case I agree your deck might not be the best choice, but that doesn't mean you should quit playing standard. You just need to tweak it, or simply build another one better suited for your meta.
No LBZ is not destroy 2 permanents. It's a 2-for-1, something that people have to play around since the beginning of magic. Sin Collector is a 2-for-1, does anyone stop playing control? Divination, because you get up 1 card above the opponent, does a similar thing - is anyone complaining about that?
LBZ is not the end-all for green and white lists. Given the litany of stupid posts you have made in this thread, you are either refusing to see good advice, or just obtuse.
Whoa there... I do not think I made a bunch of stupid posts. The worst post in the thread is the one where the guy assumes my deck is full of Worldspine Wurms and offers no advice. The only advice I received was run more Advents, Charms, and Conclaves (I was running 4 of each already) and ramp past him. I have decided I will try the ramp idea.
I never said I wanted the card banned... I am just stating there is no reason to run Green/White aggro with this guy around (and monoblack being so popular). Hopefully some other people will see this thread before they invest time and money into green/white aggro cards.
I don't mean to split hairs here but Lifebane Zombie doesn't actually force an opponent to discard. He exiles meaning Loxodon smiter is having a bad bad day.
Standard:
RW Boros devotion/Purphoros combo
RGB Jund Midrange
Modern:
WB Martyr.proc
If lifebane doesn't get a card from you then he's 3 power for 3 cmc with no card advantage. That's not such a great turn 3 play compared to something like thassa or reckoner. You do need to be realistic about the fact that he is very good at hurting gw midrange decks, but there are things you can do like faster aggro, combat tricks, combos decks like hexproof, token creatures, or you can design your deck to ramp toward a non-creature win condition. E.g. Elspeth or enchantments of some sort.
You'll just be crying thoughtseize and hero's downfall next, then and that your deck is too slow. Don't try to shift away from problems. Use better deck building technique and play to fix it. It is one thing if the top tier deck is packing 50% of creatures that are pro green or white. It is another thing to have one card (2-4 copies) in the sideboard that 2 for 1s you if played in the first 3-4 turns (roughly 50% chance of this happening) and is a so-so to subpar card after that. LBZ is a great card but if it is bothering you, you're just walking into a direction that you'll complain more from later.
I think you'll find going for a ramp strategy isn't going to help your mono-black matchup. I honestly think you're better of sticking with GW aggro, play tons of creatures and just overload their removal. The ramp strategy is just going to leave your big threats vulnerable to black's spot removal.
Then this:
So is it just G/W aggro that's not worth it (like you said in the quote directly above)? Or all G or W creatures?
And am I understanding correctly that you are writing off all G and W creatures because of one card?
The worst post of the thread is this, where you try to state that "there is no reason to run Green/White aggro with this guy around."
The amount of stupidity in this overarching statement is overwhelming. If you haven't noticed, White Weenie aggro won the last GP. Shrout got second at a recent SCG open with a straight up GW list, as well as top 4ing the SCG invitational.
Chaining multiple Lifebane Zombie is a way to get some freewins yes, and it's a two for one, but you got your own 2 for 1 in Voice of Resurgence. If a GW Players gets 2 into play im very hard pressed to win the game. Boon Satyr and Advent of the Wurm are other cards that hurt Mono Black too. Maybe you should just adjust your build to beat Mono Black because it certainly can and will many times.
If unwilling to splash I'd just say ramp past it and play more creatures.... :/
Doesn't really help I know >.<"
Standard: Mardu Midrange, Jeskai Wins, Naya Walkers, Boss Sligh, Mono Black Aggro
Modern: RUG Scapeshift, Burn, UG Infect
Legacy: Death n Taxes, Burn, Tendrils
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion, Krenko, Mob Boss, Narset, Enlightened Master
I just disagree with how efficient all of black's answer cards are and Lifebane is just part of the package.
I for one, would greatly enjoy seeing a g/w deck with 36/37 threats but loses outright to a set of lbz.
Decklist?
36 threats, 23 lands, and 1 EagleEyeCherry piloting it. In all seriousness, we know he has playsets of selesnya charm, boon satyr, advent of the wurm, call of the conclave. And that he's proceeding to complain about a card that is "always a 2 for 1" when it is only such maybe half the time when he's playing a deck that should have 4 rootborn defenses (a card that you could consider a 2 for 1 much more often than LBZ). So we have a general idea of what his deck is.
-Standard is more balanced now than I ever remember it being. Things like LBZ generally do not cripple any decks completely. LBZ is a good hate card; it's obviously not ruining the format.
-One could argue that certain cards are overpowered/ make Standard less fun. No one less than Brian Kibler has complained that Thoughtseize, a legit "broken"/"overpowered" card (this because it's almost always good, seldom merely situationally so as LBZ is), hurts Standard. But Mr. Kibler, along with other forward-thinking players who understand that the game has cards that are more powerful than others, plans and play accordingly.
I don't see the point in kvetching. This isn't affinity. This isn't even Faeries or Jund.
Well, I've been seeing a slow and steady increase in mono-black players, and that deck is starting to dominate. I can't see anything in the new set that will change that--in fact, mono black or black control decks seem to get the strongest cards in the set so it should, on paper, only be a stronger choice. We'll see if it gets to that Caw-blade level of dominance or not.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/standard
Why does one color get all the fun? The funniest thing is that Lifebane Zombie gets Intimidate instead of Unblockable. If I play black like everyone else who is competitive, then I can stop him! Are we going to get some Black hate that isn't also in Black and a 5 drop in the next set?
Should I just trade all my cards for Thoughseizes and play the market instead of the game until LBZ rotates? I actually don't have a problem with this card but I see where the next year and a half are headed.