Thragtusk was a pain but wasnt that bad unless Restoration Angel came into play. Having both of them so easily splashable was the only downside I saw in the format.
Thragtusk was a pain but wasnt that bad unless Restoration Angel came into play. Having both of them so easily splashable was the only downside I saw in the format.
This.
I played Experiment Jund during this time and curving out to the following draw was always sweet:
Turn One: Experiment One
Turn two: BTE to Flinthoof Boar
Turn 3: Dreg Mangler
Turn 4: Falkenrath Aristocrat
I don't know about you guys, but I liked Thragtusk. Just look at the OTHER standard formats before it amd see the deck that dominated. I think those are more obnoxious than going up against thragtusk decks.
Lorwyn/Alara - faeries. T2 bitterblossom ggwp
Alara/Zendikar - jund. Bloodbraid elf into blightning ggwp
Zendikar/Scars - cawblade. The first standard bannings in years, nuff said.
Scars/Innistrad - Delver. Get bashed with 3/2 fliers for 1 mana while all your spells get mana leaked and creatures get vapor snagged.
Thragtusk was 5-mana, so that's higher than any of the other defining cards from previous standards. It's also not that good at killing people aside from the fact that it has 5 power, it's just all about resiliency and staying alive.
The current standard is now pretty badly dominated by thoughtseize. Synergy doesn't really exist in the format because thoughtseize rips your hand apart. Creatures also took a huge nosedive so removal is everywhere. Whereas INN/RTR standard was about which card could let you go over the top, RTR/THS standard is more about trying to stick something to the board through all the removal and disruption. I don't see how this is better than the previous standard.
Thragtusk was a pain but wasnt that bad unless Restoration Angel came into play. Having both of them so easily splashable was the only downside I saw in the format.
My favorite deck to play out of the last 2 standards was the B/x Zombies build with Mortarpod. The Aristocrats Act 2 deck was fun too, but I liked the zombies more. I also liked that I could play Grixis with Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker, while not a Tier 1 deck it was a strong Tier 1.5 deck. I am playing B/W midrange now and it is an okay to play deck. I admit I wasn't a big fan of Thragtusk, but between having decks bloated with him to having the current limited fun and standard weak format we have now. I say bring back the beast.
There was a deck called OmniDoor ThragFire. It actually brought out a lot of wins, considering it was literally just janky goodstuff. I think that it was an awesome Standard season just for the variety.
Well I remember Jund made up virtually half the metagame late in standard. Seriously one deck made up 40% of the metagame for a few months, it was pretty gross. Between huntmaster and thragtusk Olivia volddaren, and scavenging ooze things got pretty gross. Farseek created perfect mana. Thragtusk and garruk were dangerous threats against control, all those 3/3 beast tokens....spot removal was extremely weak, we didn't get doom blade until the final set. You could literally supreme verdict someone and they would start the next turn with 2 3/3 beast tokens. Miracled bonfire of the damned was by far the most obnoxious card that could kill you out of nowhere and wipe your board
LOL at how this thread from December 2013 is still going on. RTR-THS must really be that bad if people are still talking about INN-RTR.
It´s more that we had a all you can eat buffe and now we got whine and crackers with cheese. Nothing bad but not everyone likes cheese.
I have seen/heard much more people at FNM and the release events at the stores I have gone to during the INN-RTR vs RTR-THS time frame. I just think that when you come from this big high its hard for something to following and be as successful/popular. Its a tough act to follow. We will always have sets and time frames that we enjoyed the most or more then others. I think the interaction between the INN-RTR time was much better then the RTR-THS frame. And a common thing Ive heard is that many prefer playing the Check Lands from M13 with the RTR Shock Lands vs the RTR Shock Lands with the Scry Lands now. The whole Thragtusk/Restoration Angel thing was a pain but even with that it seem to be one of the most balanced time frames in Magic where so many different decks/colors would do well and were playable.
You obviously never played during the first Mirrodin. Thragtusk didn't make RTR/Innistrad a bad standard, in fact it was better than standard had been in forever (though that is a pretty low bar, cause standard sucks by default.
Jace SHOULD be unbanned in modern. I hate all the people saying "JACE IS BROKEN OHMYGOD HE'LL TAKE OVER AND CAWBLADE WILL REIGN SUPREME AGAIN" when bloodbraid elf literally comes down after jace and kicks jace right in the crotch, takes jace's lunch money, and jace is left to bleed out on the sidewalk in agonizing pain.
You obviously never played during the first Mirrodin. Thragtusk didn't make RTR/Innistrad a bad standard, in fact it was better than standard had been in forever (though that is a pretty low bar, cause standard sucks by default.
I would add Jace and StoneForge Mystic = worst Standard ever. I never seen/heard so many people quit/stop playing Magic during one period like that and then it got so bad they were banned.
Upheaval + Psychatog was bad too... but not on those levels
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This.
I played Experiment Jund during this time and curving out to the following draw was always sweet:
Turn One: Experiment One
Turn two: BTE to Flinthoof Boar
Turn 3: Dreg Mangler
Turn 4: Falkenrath Aristocrat
Yeah. Good times.
Lorwyn/Alara - faeries. T2 bitterblossom ggwp
Alara/Zendikar - jund. Bloodbraid elf into blightning ggwp
Zendikar/Scars - cawblade. The first standard bannings in years, nuff said.
Scars/Innistrad - Delver. Get bashed with 3/2 fliers for 1 mana while all your spells get mana leaked and creatures get vapor snagged.
Thragtusk was 5-mana, so that's higher than any of the other defining cards from previous standards. It's also not that good at killing people aside from the fact that it has 5 power, it's just all about resiliency and staying alive.
The current standard is now pretty badly dominated by thoughtseize. Synergy doesn't really exist in the format because thoughtseize rips your hand apart. Creatures also took a huge nosedive so removal is everywhere. Whereas INN/RTR standard was about which card could let you go over the top, RTR/THS standard is more about trying to stick something to the board through all the removal and disruption. I don't see how this is better than the previous standard.
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I have seen/heard much more people at FNM and the release events at the stores I have gone to during the INN-RTR vs RTR-THS time frame. I just think that when you come from this big high its hard for something to following and be as successful/popular. Its a tough act to follow. We will always have sets and time frames that we enjoyed the most or more then others. I think the interaction between the INN-RTR time was much better then the RTR-THS frame. And a common thing Ive heard is that many prefer playing the Check Lands from M13 with the RTR Shock Lands vs the RTR Shock Lands with the Scry Lands now. The whole Thragtusk/Restoration Angel thing was a pain but even with that it seem to be one of the most balanced time frames in Magic where so many different decks/colors would do well and were playable.
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You obviously never played during the first Mirrodin. Thragtusk didn't make RTR/Innistrad a bad standard, in fact it was better than standard had been in forever (though that is a pretty low bar, cause standard sucks by default.
I would add Jace and StoneForge Mystic = worst Standard ever. I never seen/heard so many people quit/stop playing Magic during one period like that and then it got so bad they were banned.
Be a lemming hunter. Don't be a lemming.
Really, all you had to do was explain to him the popularity metric, not give him the lemming hunter manifesto...
Originally posted by MemoryLapse and DotMatrix