Holy **** that was ridiculous. I can appreciate Control as much as anyone, but my God...please let something happen this next game....
Pretty much. U/W control is boooooring to watch.
That said, I will give Jensen a ton of props. His greatest ability above most other players is that he doesn't get greedy. There were many times he could have more or less safely played something but held back as it wasn't a sure bet. I've seen many players get trapped into thinking they've won, got greedy and went huge, and watched as they got dismantled by the other opponent punishing them hard for the misplay. There's no good reason to play Elspeth on turn 6, even with the extra insurance of Elixir. Even still, there's no really good reason to play Elspeth at 9 mana with this deck, because if you've hit that point you aren't sweating much. You are playing the long game, and leaving yourself open like that will wreck you if you aren't careful. If you pay attention, Elspeth doesn't come out until waaaay late, and after the opponent has used up a ton of resources. Jace is different, but that's because Jace digs you out of a bind really hard. So seeing his patience is good.
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ANNNNND I was wrong. He just did it. That is a bummer from Jenson. And it's putting him in a very rough spot. Had he left Elspeth around, he could have used her to get rid of the eventual Bloodbaron. And he's rushing now. I absolutely don't think D-Sphere Pithing Needle to allow you to use Jace was a bad idea.
And Marlon's big mistake of not paying attention to the Pithing needle was just forgetful. Granted, it's been a grueling tournament for both players.
Gutierrez did not deserve that game 2. Misplays that big should be punished.
Huey made some misplays too (tapping out for Jace with a Needle on the board was pretty bad) so it goes both ways. It's the last match of a long tournament so both players are likely pretty burnt.
Also, I don't understand why people don't seem to think that misplays are allowed to happen. This is the end of 2 days straight of Magic for them. I mean, missing those Underworld Connections draws was bad (painfully bad), but I couldn't imagine what my mental state would be by then.
The racism in the chat was very disappointing. Oh well, not sure what I expected from the MtG community. It would be cool if commentators stopped treating pros like gods.
I missed that part. Did Huey flip over cards with the Needle out?
No, but only because Gutierrez just barely stopped him. Jensen quickly moved the die from 4 to 2 on his Jace, Architect and I think his hand even touched the top of the deck before Marlon stopped him and corrected the game state.
It would be cool if commentators stopped treating pros like gods.
That was pretty annoying. "LOL WOW HUEY HAS THIS ONE" like a bunch of giggly schoolgirls. What the actual **** dudes, the other guy stands just as much of a chance as he does, as clearly evidenced by winning the damn GP.
That was pretty annoying. "LOL WOW HUEY HAS THIS ONE" like a bunch of giggly schoolgirls. What the actual **** dudes, the other guy stands just as much of a chance as he does, as clearly evidenced by winning the damn GP.
The really annoying one was his match-up against the red devotion deck, where they played his win off as nothing short of miraculous. And to those of us who know how those types of deck work, it wasn't a surprising result in the least. The match-up was really only slightly in the Red Deck's favor to begin with going into the match-up, and given how U/W control actually functions it was at all a "surprising" win in the least. At no point did I feel that the game was so heavily in the favor of the Red player's that Jenson had to massively outmaneuver the opponent to win. And starting one game with two verdicts and a D-sphere in hand is exactly what you want against that sort of deck. It was just a huge fanboyism to him there that really wasn't deserved by the actual game state.
This match-up was slightly different, but they still gave to much props to the guy. He's a pro, certainly, but that doesn't mean as much as they put on him. Marlon didn't ride there on pure luck or on an obviously strong deck that just wrecked the meta; he ran a more or less conventional style deck that was a bit different than the competition in certain key ways and had to have a great deal of skill to get there in the first place. The game possibly favored Jenson simply due to deck match-up. U/W control, as I said, loves games that durdle out and can deal with most threats; it stands poorly however to hand disruption and Marlon's choice of Thoughtseizing Divination was a less than obvious pick that completely altered the course of the game; something that takes skill as there were "stronger" picks that were weaker given the current state of the board. As far as "Pro vs not pro" though I couldn't give a crap less. Both were there for the same reasons: they understood what they were going up against before ever stepping foot at the event, built a deck accordingly, and played extremely well. There are plenty of exceedingly skilled non-professionals in all fields. Some of the best players of any game may not ever attempt to play.
I don't understand how anyone can say he doesn't deserve that win. Beat two HoF that are in top form in the Top 8. That's called earning it.
Pretty much. Game 2 was just a complete mess for both players, and even though he missed a bunch of triggers he had board state control fairly well handled (Not completely, mind you). It's understandable, obviously, but it was hard to watch as both players just completely forgot what was happening.
Game 3 some may say was lucky with the 3 thoughtseizes, but he also was running Duress and Sin Collector. I would be surprised if he didn't hit a bunch of hand disruption early on. And his choice of Divination over some more "obviously" stronger cards, such as Revelation and Elspeth, was a brilliant call on the game state. It may seem obvious to most of us, but I've seen far to many people in the moment get to rapped up in what is the "best" card in the hand without thinking about what matters the most right now. So it was cool and collected decision at exactly the right time, forcing Jensen to make sub-optimal decisions like casting Elspeth with no way to protect her from a downfall or the like.
The top 8 was pretty diverse compared to recently Gps... people started exploring new colour combinations and strategies.
Perhaps the blue and black decks did get a little inbred for beating the mirror. Brads deck was a black deck for beating Blue and Black decks.
The amount of off colour scry lands in decks, makes me want Born of the gods soon.. I am going to be pissed if there is a 3/2 split over Born and journey. two colour combo's getting screwed over.
The match-up was really only slightly in the Red Deck's favor to begin with going into the match-up, and given how U/W control actually functions it was at all a "surprising" win in the least. At no point did I feel that the game was so heavily in the favor of the Red player's that Jenson had to massively outmaneuver the opponent to win.
I agree 100%
I thought that type of response was stock response when anyone playing U/x control wins, they do it with Wafo Tapa also. . . but now, after watching that series of matches. The announcers are just riding the higher ranked guy. Which hats off to jensen and hats off to marlon as well, long days freezing unseasonal temperatures, here in dallas. good games all around.
I thought that type of response was stock response when anyone playing U/x control wins, they do it with Wafo Tapa also. . . but now, after watching that series of matches. The announcers are just riding the higher ranked guy. Which hats off to jensen and hats off to marlon as well, long days freezing unseasonal temperatures, here in dallas. good games all around.
Oh, absolutely. Both played exceptionally well, and were knowledgeable enough about the meta to know what to expect and know how to beat it without becoming to terribly focused on a single strategy. And for going through two very long days of gameplay to get there to boot.
That said, if I were to face Jenson's deck I may be tempted to use Pithing needle to name Elixer and find some other means to deal with Elspeth. You know, as a final screw off to cheeky bastards.
Oh, absolutely. Both played exceptionally well, and were knowledgeable enough about the meta to know what to expect and know how to beat it without becoming to terribly focused on a single strategy. And for going through two very long days of gameplay to get there to boot.
That said, if I were to face Jenson's deck I may be tempted to use Pithing needle to name Elixer and find some other means to deal with Elspeth. You know, as a final screw off to cheeky bastards.
The biggest risks with that play are that Jace can still just ultimate and sit behind counter magic, or they can just control the game until they draw a Detention Sphere.
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The biggest risks with that play are that Jace can still just ultimate and sit behind counter magic, or they can just control the game until they draw a Detention Sphere.
Oh, certainly. I kind of felt that Pithing needle in the match-up was mostly a foregone conclusion anyway, although it did buy some time against Jace. *But* it would have been fun to watch if for some ungodly reason Jenson had been forced to use all of his D-spheres, and then a Needle is land and force Jenson to protect Jace at all costs to try something to win. It'd be rare, but possible.
Christ, that's bad luck for Pat Cox. Rudy Fernandez was dreadful, takes a game loss for being an idiot and misplayed so badly he deserved to lose, but topdecks the one card in his deck he needs to win the game.
Magic can be cruel sometimes.
Hello, Rudy Fernandez here for ya.
So yes, I understand that what I did with the deck registration was my fault and the explanation behind it is that a friend of mine was talking about his old Jund list and listed off cards and said Garruk, Primal Hunter. This was during our deck registration and I, like an idiot, wrote that down. It was my carelessness for not catching it. Next, I understand that I was sloppy and misplayed a lot during my feature match. This was my first time day two-ing and was really nervous/excited that I was not thinking clearly (something I hope to rid myself of ASAP). If there is any criticism about my plays that you have, then please, tell me of them and I will do my best to defend my case. I know of a couple misplays I did, but I'm only hoping to get better. If there's any advice you have for me, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Hello, Rudy Fernandez here for ya.
So yes, I understand that what I did with the deck registration was my fault and the explanation behind it is that a friend of mine was talking about his old Jund list and listed off cards and said Garruk, Primal Hunter. This was during our deck registration and I, like an idiot, wrote that down. It was my carelessness for not catching it. Next, I understand that I was sloppy and misplayed a lot during my feature match. This was my first time day two-ing and was really nervous/excited that I was not thinking clearly (something I hope to rid myself of ASAP). If there is any criticism about my plays that you have, then please, tell me of them and I will do my best to defend my case. I know of a couple misplays I did, but I'm only hoping to get better. If there's any advice you have for me, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Don't fret too much over random MTGS trolls posting about feature matches they see while resting comfortably behind their computer screens. Everyone misplays, its just a matter of learning from the mistakes.
+1 for having a mature post/response.
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Pretty much. U/W control is boooooring to watch.
That said, I will give Jensen a ton of props. His greatest ability above most other players is that he doesn't get greedy. There were many times he could have more or less safely played something but held back as it wasn't a sure bet. I've seen many players get trapped into thinking they've won, got greedy and went huge, and watched as they got dismantled by the other opponent punishing them hard for the misplay. There's no good reason to play Elspeth on turn 6, even with the extra insurance of Elixir. Even still, there's no really good reason to play Elspeth at 9 mana with this deck, because if you've hit that point you aren't sweating much. You are playing the long game, and leaving yourself open like that will wreck you if you aren't careful. If you pay attention, Elspeth doesn't come out until waaaay late, and after the opponent has used up a ton of resources. Jace is different, but that's because Jace digs you out of a bind really hard. So seeing his patience is good.
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ANNNNND I was wrong. He just did it. That is a bummer from Jenson. And it's putting him in a very rough spot. Had he left Elspeth around, he could have used her to get rid of the eventual Bloodbaron. And he's rushing now. I absolutely don't think D-Sphere Pithing Needle to allow you to use Jace was a bad idea.
And Marlon's big mistake of not paying attention to the Pithing needle was just forgetful. Granted, it's been a grueling tournament for both players.
you mean like Jensen minusing his Jace and forgetting it was named by Pithing Needle?
Huey made some misplays too (tapping out for Jace with a Needle on the board was pretty bad) so it goes both ways. It's the last match of a long tournament so both players are likely pretty burnt.
Also, I don't understand why people don't seem to think that misplays are allowed to happen. This is the end of 2 days straight of Magic for them. I mean, missing those Underworld Connections draws was bad (painfully bad), but I couldn't imagine what my mental state would be by then.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
You're crazy, that was sweet.
If Gutierrez wasn't such a nice guy, Jensen would have given himself a game loss right there.
I missed that part. Did Huey flip over cards with the Needle out?
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No, but only because Gutierrez just barely stopped him. Jensen quickly moved the die from 4 to 2 on his Jace, Architect and I think his hand even touched the top of the deck before Marlon stopped him and corrected the game state.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
That was pretty annoying. "LOL WOW HUEY HAS THIS ONE" like a bunch of giggly schoolgirls. What the actual **** dudes, the other guy stands just as much of a chance as he does, as clearly evidenced by winning the damn GP.
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The really annoying one was his match-up against the red devotion deck, where they played his win off as nothing short of miraculous. And to those of us who know how those types of deck work, it wasn't a surprising result in the least. The match-up was really only slightly in the Red Deck's favor to begin with going into the match-up, and given how U/W control actually functions it was at all a "surprising" win in the least. At no point did I feel that the game was so heavily in the favor of the Red player's that Jenson had to massively outmaneuver the opponent to win. And starting one game with two verdicts and a D-sphere in hand is exactly what you want against that sort of deck. It was just a huge fanboyism to him there that really wasn't deserved by the actual game state.
This match-up was slightly different, but they still gave to much props to the guy. He's a pro, certainly, but that doesn't mean as much as they put on him. Marlon didn't ride there on pure luck or on an obviously strong deck that just wrecked the meta; he ran a more or less conventional style deck that was a bit different than the competition in certain key ways and had to have a great deal of skill to get there in the first place. The game possibly favored Jenson simply due to deck match-up. U/W control, as I said, loves games that durdle out and can deal with most threats; it stands poorly however to hand disruption and Marlon's choice of Thoughtseizing Divination was a less than obvious pick that completely altered the course of the game; something that takes skill as there were "stronger" picks that were weaker given the current state of the board. As far as "Pro vs not pro" though I couldn't give a crap less. Both were there for the same reasons: they understood what they were going up against before ever stepping foot at the event, built a deck accordingly, and played extremely well. There are plenty of exceedingly skilled non-professionals in all fields. Some of the best players of any game may not ever attempt to play.
Pretty much. Game 2 was just a complete mess for both players, and even though he missed a bunch of triggers he had board state control fairly well handled (Not completely, mind you). It's understandable, obviously, but it was hard to watch as both players just completely forgot what was happening.
Game 3 some may say was lucky with the 3 thoughtseizes, but he also was running Duress and Sin Collector. I would be surprised if he didn't hit a bunch of hand disruption early on. And his choice of Divination over some more "obviously" stronger cards, such as Revelation and Elspeth, was a brilliant call on the game state. It may seem obvious to most of us, but I've seen far to many people in the moment get to rapped up in what is the "best" card in the hand without thinking about what matters the most right now. So it was cool and collected decision at exactly the right time, forcing Jensen to make sub-optimal decisions like casting Elspeth with no way to protect her from a downfall or the like.
Perhaps the blue and black decks did get a little inbred for beating the mirror. Brads deck was a black deck for beating Blue and Black decks.
The amount of off colour scry lands in decks, makes me want Born of the gods soon.. I am going to be pissed if there is a 3/2 split over Born and journey. two colour combo's getting screwed over.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
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I agree 100%
I thought that type of response was stock response when anyone playing U/x control wins, they do it with Wafo Tapa also. . . but now, after watching that series of matches. The announcers are just riding the higher ranked guy. Which hats off to jensen and hats off to marlon as well, long days freezing unseasonal temperatures, here in dallas. good games all around.
Oh, absolutely. Both played exceptionally well, and were knowledgeable enough about the meta to know what to expect and know how to beat it without becoming to terribly focused on a single strategy. And for going through two very long days of gameplay to get there to boot.
That said, if I were to face Jenson's deck I may be tempted to use Pithing needle to name Elixer and find some other means to deal with Elspeth. You know, as a final screw off to cheeky bastards.
The biggest risks with that play are that Jace can still just ultimate and sit behind counter magic, or they can just control the game until they draw a Detention Sphere.
Oh, certainly. I kind of felt that Pithing needle in the match-up was mostly a foregone conclusion anyway, although it did buy some time against Jace. *But* it would have been fun to watch if for some ungodly reason Jenson had been forced to use all of his D-spheres, and then a Needle is land and force Jenson to protect Jace at all costs to try something to win. It'd be rare, but possible.
Hello, Rudy Fernandez here for ya.
So yes, I understand that what I did with the deck registration was my fault and the explanation behind it is that a friend of mine was talking about his old Jund list and listed off cards and said Garruk, Primal Hunter. This was during our deck registration and I, like an idiot, wrote that down. It was my carelessness for not catching it. Next, I understand that I was sloppy and misplayed a lot during my feature match. This was my first time day two-ing and was really nervous/excited that I was not thinking clearly (something I hope to rid myself of ASAP). If there is any criticism about my plays that you have, then please, tell me of them and I will do my best to defend my case. I know of a couple misplays I did, but I'm only hoping to get better. If there's any advice you have for me, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Don't fret too much over random MTGS trolls posting about feature matches they see while resting comfortably behind their computer screens. Everyone misplays, its just a matter of learning from the mistakes.
+1 for having a mature post/response.