They seem to be pretty happy with only ally-color duals in the core set. My guess is after the all-the-colors good stuff we are seeing now, they will probably dial back the ease of playing many colors in the sets coming up.
oh ok thanks. I was just getting back into Magic and I was wondering if it was worth it to get them at all. Maybe I'll skip them for now.
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I actually disagree, I think there's a pretty good chance of them being reprinted in core set. After rotation a lot of manabases are going to suffer (given the multicolor block we're in right now) unless the enemy duals get reprinted. It would make a lot of sense for them to just have all 10 duals in the core set from M14 on. If that's the case, I wouldn't expect any duals in the next block, you wouldn't see any until after the shocks rotated out. The other option is to cut the duals from the core set and reprint them all along with the INN duals in the next block, but that seems unlikely.
What seems very unlikely is to not reprint the INN duals, leave the core set duals as the are, and then have a new type of dual in the new block...so 3 types of duals legal in standard, which goes against NWO.
What seems very unlikely is to not reprint the INN duals, leave the core set duals as the are, and then have a new type of dual in the new block...so 3 types of duals legal in standard, which goes against NWO.
This is a really good point.
So for instance you have the shocks in RTR block, the core set duals in M14, and say for argument's sake they reprinted the duals from scars block in the new block coming out in the fall. That would be the 3 different types.
So they'd either not re-do the core set duals in M14 and come out with something new in the new block, or, if they continue with core sets duals in M14, the new block would either not have any or have the enemy colored check-lands.
honestly i hope they mimic alpha and beta and just have these types of duals as the staple in the core sets. this also would mean they wont print anything but utility lands or such probably in the set after that would cause the rotation.
the other option would be to stop print on core set duals and go another path with a new set of lands comming out in the set that will rotate innistrad out. then print all ten duals in M15 core set.
honestly though with the shocks being all being printed in one go in dragons maze yet again seems like they are going to just take the innistrad duals and make them core duals possibly with different art work thats less "innistrad".
I actually disagree, I think there's a pretty good chance of them being reprinted in core set. After rotation a lot of manabases are going to suffer (given the multicolor block we're in right now) unless the enemy duals get reprinted.
I don't think Wizards really wants to see this level of "everything for everyone just because you can have all these crazy mana bases." I may be completely off, but I think that Wizards (or at least the impression i get from Rosewater) wants to have a more restrictive mana base for constructed formats.
First of all: We currently have all ten color pairs with the return of the final 5 shocks from Gatecrash. This allows people to play all the color pairings they want even after the INN duals rotate, albeit with the reasonable cost of life-vs-speed.
Second: The primary reason for introducing the enemy duals in INN was to allow for enemy colored decks that were supported by the spells in the block, but not by the lands in the recent sets. They needed to add the enemy duals because there would be no realistic way to play decks such as "BUG self-mill" or "RW Humans" without those special lands.
It would make a lot of sense for them to just have all 10 duals in the core set from M14 on. If that's the case, I wouldn't expect any duals in the next block, you wouldn't see any until after the shocks rotated out. The other option is to cut the duals from the core set and reprint them all along with the INN duals in the next block, but that seems unlikely.
What seems very unlikely is to not reprint the INN duals, leave the core set duals as the are, and then have a new type of dual in the new block...so 3 types of duals legal in standard, which goes against NWO.
I agree that 3 dual land types legal in standard would definitely upset NWO. If they were to reprint the INN duals in a core set, it would only be because they needed to support enemy colored pairings for an upcoming set. But, as Rosewater has pointed out in his most recent six-year plan review article (see: Year four of "The Six-Year Plan"), Wizard's R&D has found that, on average, it takes roughly 4+ years for the MtG player base to become relaxed enough from one block theme (tribal, multicolor, etc.) to bring it back. Therefore, it is unlikely we will see any more high profile use of enemy color pairings until the next multicolor themed set.
Also, P.S.:
Just by looking at the card names (Hinterland Harbor, Sulfur Falls) these are unlikely to be reprinted in any upcoming sets that are not a return to Innistrad because they would make no sense in most other palnes (but not an impossibility). So, the only possible place to see these reprinted would be in a core set, or a casual variant product.
That, and you know what they say. If Wizards started shipping $100 bills in boosters tomorrow, people would scream and cry and whine that they were folded the wrong way.
There is a strong possibility that these only stay in Expert sets. They can only print so many utility lands in expert expansions before they run out, and they'll probably use these, or similar enemy-colored lands to fill the remaining space.
Perhaps another question is whether we are certain the Core set duals will be printed again in M14. I have been looking for a concrete answer to that question as I'm jumping into Standard after almost 10 years away from the game. I've already invested in Shocklands, but I'm not sure whether I would be wiser to continue to invest my money in RTR and GTC. I have a hard time imagining Wizards allowing the Innistrad duals to cycle out and keeping the 5 in the Core set.
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What seems very unlikely is to not reprint the INN duals, leave the core set duals as the are, and then have a new type of dual in the new block...so 3 types of duals legal in standard, which goes against NWO.
Standard:
RW Boros devotion/Purphoros combo
RGB Jund Midrange
Modern:
WB Martyr.proc
This is a really good point.
So for instance you have the shocks in RTR block, the core set duals in M14, and say for argument's sake they reprinted the duals from scars block in the new block coming out in the fall. That would be the 3 different types.
So they'd either not re-do the core set duals in M14 and come out with something new in the new block, or, if they continue with core sets duals in M14, the new block would either not have any or have the enemy colored check-lands.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
the other option would be to stop print on core set duals and go another path with a new set of lands comming out in the set that will rotate innistrad out. then print all ten duals in M15 core set.
honestly though with the shocks being all being printed in one go in dragons maze yet again seems like they are going to just take the innistrad duals and make them core duals possibly with different art work thats less "innistrad".
I don't think Wizards really wants to see this level of "everything for everyone just because you can have all these crazy mana bases." I may be completely off, but I think that Wizards (or at least the impression i get from Rosewater) wants to have a more restrictive mana base for constructed formats.
First of all: We currently have all ten color pairs with the return of the final 5 shocks from Gatecrash. This allows people to play all the color pairings they want even after the INN duals rotate, albeit with the reasonable cost of life-vs-speed.
Second: The primary reason for introducing the enemy duals in INN was to allow for enemy colored decks that were supported by the spells in the block, but not by the lands in the recent sets. They needed to add the enemy duals because there would be no realistic way to play decks such as "BUG self-mill" or "RW Humans" without those special lands.
I agree that 3 dual land types legal in standard would definitely upset NWO. If they were to reprint the INN duals in a core set, it would only be because they needed to support enemy colored pairings for an upcoming set. But, as Rosewater has pointed out in his most recent six-year plan review article (see: Year four of "The Six-Year Plan"), Wizard's R&D has found that, on average, it takes roughly 4+ years for the MtG player base to become relaxed enough from one block theme (tribal, multicolor, etc.) to bring it back. Therefore, it is unlikely we will see any more high profile use of enemy color pairings until the next multicolor themed set.
Also, P.S.:
Just by looking at the card names (Hinterland Harbor, Sulfur Falls) these are unlikely to be reprinted in any upcoming sets that are not a return to Innistrad because they would make no sense in most other palnes (but not an impossibility). So, the only possible place to see these reprinted would be in a core set, or a casual variant product.
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Oh, sorry about that. Thanks for redirecting me to the more appropriate forum section.
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