I am going to an FNM either this week or week after, for the most part I have built this G/W deck that doesn't do to bad. 16th-23rd place out of 45 people I consider a good night. The top deck lists are U/W humans or Delver, well I decided to step up to a "big boy" deck and give U/W humans a try. Now I know from expierence it's not the suit that makes the man, its the man that makes the suit. Thats why I am posting actually, I have read that playing blue is a different animal then playing green. I will not have to much time to play test this deck but I have hopes. My main worries are well bluffing or knowing when or when not to with hold your mana to faint into a counter. I guess blue strategy. Anyone know any tips for a first time blue player. If you guys need a deck list I will be happy to provide.
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honestly W/u humans isnt like playing blue at all its like playing mono white aggro, generally we arent running leaks main any more and we simple run blue for geist of saint traft and moorland haunt humans is an agressive deck that relies on solid pressure and being resilient to sweeps (moorland haunt, doomed traveler). my advice is dont over extend into a wipe and you'll do fine
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it depends on how much you can feign really. The deck runs as a straight forward white aggro, but not overextending, keeping the right mana untapped feigning a mana leak on hand, can win you games. Only you know what your deck runs, G1 at least
We don't know your deck list but here is some tips.
1. Don't over extend. Let your Honor's make your smaller guys threats, get value from each creature instead of swarming.
Take this very realistic play.
Turn 1 Champion of the Parish
Turn 2 Doomed Traveler, attack with COTP
Turn 3 Honor of the Pure (force them to wipe) swing for 5
Turn 4 If you were on the draw they may have wiped...now you have a 2/2 flyer. If you were on the play then play another honor if you have it or a Oring/sword. I would sit here and not overextend if you know they have board wipes.
Now if you have a Moorland Haunt out then you are sitting very pretty with the ability to make 2/2 flyers and a you still have a hand to lay down constant pressure.
With creatures like Geist,Crusader, Hero...etc there is no reason to vomit your hand out. Each of our creatures can do massive damage or is resistant to board wipes. This is my greatest advice to you.
2. If you are using angelic destinies...DO NOT try to equip without a Grand abolisher out unless you are equiping it to a geist. DO NOT get 2 for 1'd here, it is usually GG for you if you do.
These are my biggest things, I have taken U/w Humans x-0 many times at FNM. This deck is very capable of going undefeated easily. Have fun with it and post your results so we can help you fine tune things
Hey thanks for the advice, yeah I will defently post my decklist after tommrow night along with how it did. You know I thought with law keeper I wouldnt use his ability to much but the fact that all my creatures arnt heavy seems to keep mana open quite nicely so I think I am understanding thiiis meta more and more
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Hey thanks for the advice, yeah I will defently post my decklist after tommrow night along with how it did. You know I thought with law keeper I wouldnt use his ability to much but the fact that all my creatures arnt heavy seems to keep mana open quite nicely so I think I am understanding thiiis meta more and more
I run 2x lawKeepers main, people would be surpised just how much he can save your ass. Plus it makes my 9 and 10th 1 drop for that aggro start.
So yeah last night I went 2/3 last night however it should be more like 1/4, because last night I had a bye due to someone leaving with out telling the staff. I feel like I didnt actually use the deck right, also half the time I wasnt drawing proper lands. But as promised here is the list with my standings. Oh yeah I was quite literally dead last in the stores standings. But I did expect not to do well with a deck that I barely have played. But oh well win some lose some.
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What went wrong? What do you mean 'not drawing the proper lands'?
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My first draw, would always have like one land in it (even at the 24 lands), if I mul'ed I would have 2 lands and no creatures. Like I said I feel as though I didn't play the deck properly. I feel as though a hand of 1 plain, champion, gather the townsfolk, honor of the pure, geist, and fiend hunter. I could try that hand but I feel as though it would be risky. But thats the kind of stuff that was happening.
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Sounds more like bad shuffling and bad luck more than the deck itself.
I agree, I got anxious, and didn't pile shuffle. My luck could't of been worse, but, I don't know I feel like I extended my self too. There were times I could put three Doomed Traveler's in at once. I was like why not.
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I agree, I got anxious, and didn't pile shuffle. My luck could't of been worse, but, I don't know I feel like I extended my self too. There were times I could put three Doomed Traveler's in at once. I was like why not.
That's not always bad, especially if you have an Honor of the Pure or 2.
I have to join you on the poor shuffling. I have been shuffling very poorly as of lately. It's to the point where 2 land keeps are nightmares.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Is it me or is the deck fairly swingy? I went undefeated yesterday at a GP Trial, beating Mageblade, UB control, RG and other decks quite convincingly. I've started testing for next weekend using a very similar deck but went like 3-6 so far in the above matchups, kind of frustrating.
So yeah last night I went 2/3 last night however it should be more like 1/4, because last night I had a bye due to someone leaving with out telling the staff. I feel like I didnt actually use the deck right, also half the time I wasnt drawing proper lands. But as promised here is the list with my standings. Oh yeah I was quite literally dead last in the stores standings. But I did expect not to do well with a deck that I barely have played. But oh well win some lose some.
This is a great deck list, if you swapped the swords for the destinies, its almost exactly like mine and I havnt yet in about 10 FNM's when less than X-1. I think that you need some practice with it and maby shuffle really good before going to the tourny.
You know what, that's the thing I feel like I need to familerize myself with this deck as well. I am used to using a G/W deck that runs Elesh Norn, and [card] stranglehold geist [\card]. It would do alright, but It was based on tapping out and getting the biggest baddest thing out on the field then wacking the crap out of someone with it. This deck needs some mind games invovled, and a giant amount of thought into every late game turn. One wipe will be your last in most situations.
I have noticed that if they manage to kill off three creatures from your board its hard to get that back.
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thats not entirely true on the wipe part it just takes a lot of getting used to its more about early game explosiveness followed by resiliency i've had alot of success with it and its alot easier to play than ppl think it is it plays as a mono white deck generally you want your opp around 10 or less by turn 4 so if they do wipe you can grind out the last few points for the win or you can get mirran + destiny for the one shot at that point
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"Unfortunately, all of my test animals have died or escaped, so i shall be the final subject. I feel no fear. This is a momentous night."
--Laboratory notes, final entry
Gonna try this more streamline decklist next week. Took the mana leak's out cause I feel as though I lose a ton of aggro, and I am not running a control deck. Also I added relic-warden due to the fact I know of multiple decks that are U/B control at my store's meta, and I get crushed by this freaking enchantment (sorry name eludes me) that gives all creatures I control -1/-1 and I can't draw into my o-rings intime. I also added gradigger's cage for the same reason. Also alot of reanimate decks are at my store. Finally the cage is good to shut down undying. Lemme Know what you guys think
Gonna try this more streamline decklist next week. Took the mana leak's out cause I feel as though I lose a ton of aggro, and I am not running a control deck. Also I added relic-warden due to the fact I know of multiple decks that are U/B control at my store's meta, and I get crushed by this freaking enchantment (sorry name eludes me) that gives all creatures I control -1/-1 and I can't draw into my o-rings intime. I also added gradigger's cage for the same reason. Also alot of reanimate decks are at my store. Finally the cage is good to shut down undying. Lemme Know what you guys think
I would drop the dissipate honestly. Also,the extra land seems like a wasted sideboard slot.
I also don't know your meta, but I have always kept a dismember or two in the side for poison and phyrexian crusader. The crusader is pretty much the nightmare card you do not want to see hit the table T3. Unless you have a crusader and an AD of your own of course
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Standard:
N/A
Modern:
Grishoalbrand / Grixis Death's Shadow / Jeskai Control / UW Control
The three most popular decks in my meta are; U/B control, U/W Humans, and U/W delver. Honestly i am weary of dismember because of the four life I would lose in the process. Also I was thinking of siding SoFF for that plain, so that I can increase how often I shuffle into land which seems to be my problem to begin with.
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--Laboratory notes, final entry
1. Don't over extend. Let your Honor's make your smaller guys threats, get value from each creature instead of swarming.
Take this very realistic play.
Turn 1 Champion of the Parish
Turn 2 Doomed Traveler, attack with COTP
Turn 3 Honor of the Pure (force them to wipe) swing for 5
Turn 4 If you were on the draw they may have wiped...now you have a 2/2 flyer. If you were on the play then play another honor if you have it or a Oring/sword. I would sit here and not overextend if you know they have board wipes.
Now if you have a Moorland Haunt out then you are sitting very pretty with the ability to make 2/2 flyers and a you still have a hand to lay down constant pressure.
With creatures like Geist,Crusader, Hero...etc there is no reason to vomit your hand out. Each of our creatures can do massive damage or is resistant to board wipes. This is my greatest advice to you.
2. If you are using angelic destinies...DO NOT try to equip without a Grand abolisher out unless you are equiping it to a geist. DO NOT get 2 for 1'd here, it is usually GG for you if you do.
These are my biggest things, I have taken U/w Humans x-0 many times at FNM. This deck is very capable of going undefeated easily. Have fun with it and post your results so we can help you fine tune things
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I run 2x lawKeepers main, people would be surpised just how much he can save your ass. Plus it makes my 9 and 10th 1 drop for that aggro start.
Creatures
4 champion of the perish
4 doomed traveler
4 hero of bladehold
2 fiend hunter
2 geist of saint traft
3 grand abolisher
4 mirran crusader
enchantments
2 angelic destiny
4 honor the pure
2 oblivion ring
3 gather the townsfolk
instants
3 mana leak
Lands
4 glacial fortress
4 seachrome coast
1 island
3 moorland haunt
11 plains
1 celestial purge
1 corrosive gale
2 divine offering
2 gideon lawkeeper
2 swords of war and peace
3 ratchet bomb
2 revoke exsistance
1 plain
So yeah last night I went 2/3 last night however it should be more like 1/4, because last night I had a bye due to someone leaving with out telling the staff. I feel like I didnt actually use the deck right, also half the time I wasnt drawing proper lands. But as promised here is the list with my standings. Oh yeah I was quite literally dead last in the stores standings. But I did expect not to do well with a deck that I barely have played. But oh well win some lose some.
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Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
I agree, I got anxious, and didn't pile shuffle. My luck could't of been worse, but, I don't know I feel like I extended my self too. There were times I could put three Doomed Traveler's in at once. I was like why not.
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That's not always bad, especially if you have an Honor of the Pure or 2.
I have to join you on the poor shuffling. I have been shuffling very poorly as of lately. It's to the point where 2 land keeps are nightmares.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)This is a great deck list, if you swapped the swords for the destinies, its almost exactly like mine and I havnt yet in about 10 FNM's when less than X-1. I think that you need some practice with it and maby shuffle really good before going to the tourny.
I have noticed that if they manage to kill off three creatures from your board its hard to get that back.
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--Laboratory notes, final entry
Creatures
4 champion of the perish
4 doomed traveler
4 hero of bladehold
2 fiend hunter
2 geist of saint traft
2 grand abolisher
4 mirran crusader
2 leonin relic-warder
2 thalia, guardian of thraben
2 angelic destiny
4 honor the pure
2 oblivion ring
Sorcery
3 gather the townsfolk
artifacts
1 sword of feast and famine
Lands
4 glacial fortress
4 seachrome coast
1 island
3 moorland haunt
11 plains
1 celestial purge
2 grafdigger's cage
2 timely reinforcements
3 mana leak
1 dissipate
2 swords of war and peace
2 ratchet bomb
2 revoke exsistance
1 plain
Gonna try this more streamline decklist next week. Took the mana leak's out cause I feel as though I lose a ton of aggro, and I am not running a control deck. Also I added relic-warden due to the fact I know of multiple decks that are U/B control at my store's meta, and I get crushed by this freaking enchantment (sorry name eludes me) that gives all creatures I control -1/-1 and I can't draw into my o-rings intime. I also added gradigger's cage for the same reason. Also alot of reanimate decks are at my store. Finally the cage is good to shut down undying. Lemme Know what you guys think
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I would drop the dissipate honestly. Also,the extra land seems like a wasted sideboard slot.
I also don't know your meta, but I have always kept a dismember or two in the side for poison and phyrexian crusader. The crusader is pretty much the nightmare card you do not want to see hit the table T3. Unless you have a crusader and an AD of your own of course
N/A
Modern:
Grishoalbrand / Grixis Death's Shadow / Jeskai Control / UW Control
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