Cloistered Youth?

  • #1
    I think that Cloistered Youth is a perfect card in a U/W control deck against any aggro or control. For the fact that it can be a 3/3 body at the cost of -1 a turn, against aggro it could be a slight problem, but hey, you have a 3/3. Again a deck like U/B control I see that the only way to kill it is with a Go for the throat seeing that it flips, and it can even go down before they get mana leak mana up. I just don't see why it is not used. That is just my thoughts on the card.
    Last edited by Dale DoBack: 11/24/2011 2:51:04 AM
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  • #2
    No evasion, shoots you every turn. Yuck.

    The fact that it comes down early is irrelevant.
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  • #3
    It's not a bad card but not good enough.

    The 2 drop of many white decks is grand abolisher, and the added utility is better than the +1/1, damage per turn, and temporary vulnerability.
  • #4
    you know porcelain legionnaire does the same thing but better
  • #5
    Quote from yamateh
    you know porcelain legionnaire does the same thing but better


    2-life to outright kill any creature in Red until they 1-1 it. Parting Gut Shot, it could delay Shrine placement by a turn and a card, which in my experience is invauable. I've won and lost every game Vs RDW by only a few life on either side (Except my 4-0 day when I didn't put a foot wrong, but that was a fluke.)

    Against anything not red, it's a 2-srop threat as strong as Phyrexian Crusader (because it drops a turn earlier).

    White has so many better options at 2, some cards other colours would die for are getting overlooked because Grand Abolisher.

    IF this was a 1-drop, I'd totally consider it. That kind of board presence is only rivalled by Delver or Waif on T-2, and still being able to then throw Abolisher down on time is incredible.

    IF it had a good Keyword then I'd consider it. 3/3 Flier, Hexproof, Shroud, or something would be about the only thing to contend with Abolisher, seeind as T-3 you have that, Champion at 3, and have just plat Traft, but is that stronger than no Mana Leak on your Geist or Destiny? I'm not sure it is.

    If this was Limited discussion, this topic'd've been closed because it's an auto-include. As it is, you probably shouldn't use it, except for budget purposes.

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  • #6
    Quote from yamateh
    you know porcelain legionnaire does the same thing but better
    i totally forgot about that card! i was planning something for like WW WU that has its creatures go off at Turn 2. might use him
  • #7
    Even Watchwolf wasn't that great in a format that had a 4/4 that gained you 4 for 4 as a big deal creature... Really you want to be doing more than beating in for 3 by turn 3 in control these days, and as a whole you don't want to be tapping out on turn 2-3. Also, being a 1/1 initially is a real issue as a things like Wring Flesh and Gut shot are a real thing in this format.
  • #8
    Probably better off on the Delver plan, although that's a different deck I suppose
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    several years ago it would have been played no question, but there are better options right now
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    its not that i think Cloistered Youth is the worst card ever (its ok, but not great, and is borderline playable). its that i'm MINDBLOWN that the original poster is suggesting playing this in control.

    have you ever played control? did you ever play a control deck that liked to play cheap, vulnerable weenie creatures that deal damage to yourself?
  • #11
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    I think that Cloistered Youth is a perfect card in a U/W control deck against any aggro or control. For the fact that it can be a 3/3 body at the cost of -1 a turn, against aggro it could be a slight problem, but hey, you have a 3/3. Again a deck like U/B control I see that the only way to kill it is with a Go for the throat seeing that it flips, and it can even go down before they get mana leak mana up. I just don't see why it is not used. That is just my thoughts on the card.


    I'm astonished that you think this card is good especially in a control deck.
  • #12
    My own opinion is that its' greatest strength is that it is a human. That is extremely relevant with CotP out and about. Obviously Abolisher is better, but it isn't a terrible 2 drop. It also isn't the best 2 drop which is what the majority of statements have been. If you can't get your hands on an abolisher or just want a very low mana curve, then go for it, otherwise, I would choose a little more consistent creatures.
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  • #13
    Mirran Crusader is my preferred 2-drop but that's G/W.
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