Mono red
Mono b infect
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Gw tokens
Wolf run
Wolf run and solar flare are probanly the best, but red and infect and tokens are blowouts in the right meta while still being solid decks. UB control should probably be on the list, too, but I haven't seen a lot of it.
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I'm already getting sick of the way Wolf-Run is placing. It's very annoying to see it in every top 8, and winning like everything. It's not the new Caw-Blade but it's placing like a mother right now.
Don't give me the schpeal that it's placing because it's a good deck. I know it is. It's still annoying to see.
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I'm already getting sick of the way Wolf-Run is placing. It's very annoying to see it in every top 8, and winning like everything. It's not the new Caw-Blade but it's placing like a mother right now.
Because it dominates solar flare like no tomorrow, and people still thought solar flare was the best deck so those who brought R/G Kessig decks just steamrolled through the competition. Just goes to show that even the pros get decks wrong some times as they were discussing solar flare like it was the end all be all of decks.
Because it dominates solar flare like no tomorrow, and people still thought solar flare was the best deck so those who brought R/G Kessig decks just steamrolled through the competition. Just goes to show that even the pros get decks wrong some times as they were discussing solar flare like it was the end all be all of decks.
Well, I always knew they were wrong about Solar Flare. I don't even know how you could look at it like that.
But, are you saying the results wouldn't have fallen in Wolf-Run's favor as much as it did if people were still on Cloud Solar Flare?
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Because it dominates solar flare like no tomorrow, and people still thought solar flare was the best deck so those who brought R/G Kessig decks just steamrolled through the competition. Just goes to show that even the pros get decks wrong some times as they were discussing solar flare like it was the end all be all of decks.
I blame the mana bases, SF can't afford to run enough ghost quarters to fight WR, plus it has to deal with Titan, Garruk, Troll, and endless threats out of GSZ in addition to the land. That's a lot of different angles of attack and each requires pretty specific answers that the deck can't handle without folding to aggro or stumbling on colors.
The pros have nothing to do with Flare really. Thing about Flare is that we were in an untested meta for the last few weeks. It's been a huge circle jerk of decklists that everyone was scrambling to build last minute, and Flare is what the trickle down masses have been hearing about and have rushed to buy (Lili is proof). Wolf Run only just won for the first time last week and people haven't had enough time to test against it. One FNM doesn't really count.
So while many people have been saying this would happen to Flare for weeks now... Wolf Run might just very well be the "next Flare" once people see how to beat it. The Pros are the ones coming to States and dominating with creative decklists (Woo Ramp, B Infect, UW tokens), these might just be the top tier leading to Worlds... then we'll really see how things shake out.
what did you run? I bet it had blue in it. Decks without blue struggle heavily against that deck.
He was running a UW Control deck without the janky Hexproof creatures people keep trying to use. We've (he, I, badjuju) been developing a couple lists for about a week or two prior to States that could handle the Solar Flare and Wolf Run easily and still not lose to the random red or white aggro.
LostCon's list was very good. We decided that using 2 Frost Titans as finishers will catch nearly every deck off-guard (amazing for destroying Images, locking down Rage Shrines, keeping Wolf-Run's and Nexus neutered, as well as making Snapcaster + removal cost over nine thousand mana.) We also agreed that Disperse was very good against the meta and being very underutilized (same amount of CA as ITR when used with Snapcaster Mage.)
I splashed green for Beast Within and he opted to stay in pure UW with Midnight Haunting and Swords for extra reach -- otherwise our creature package is just 4x Snapcaster Mage and 2x Frost Titan.
I am not taking credit for his awesome day, just answering your question while he is offline. He made some different choices than I did in the end, which may make his version of our list superior.
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He was running a UW Control deck without the janky Hexproof creatures people keep trying to use. We've (he, I, badjuju) been developing a couple lists for about a week or two prior to States that could handle the Solar Flare and Wolf Run easily and still not lose to the random red or white aggro.
LostCon's list was very good. We decided that using 2 Frost Titans as finishers will catch nearly every deck off-guard (amazing for destroying Images, locking down Rage Shrines, keeping Wolf-Run's and Nexus neutered, as well as making Snapcaster + removal cost over nine thousand mana.) We also agreed that Disperse was very good against the meta and being very underutilized (same amount of CA as ITR when used with Snapcaster Mage.)
I splashed green for Beast Within and he opted to stay in pure UW with Midnight Haunting and Swords for extra reach -- otherwise our creature package is just 4x Snapcaster Mage and 2x Frost Titan.
I am not taking credit for his awesome day, just answering your question while he is offline. He made some different choices than I did in the end, which may make his version of our list superior.
Congrats to all Salvationers who did well at States!
Interesting, why the G splash for Beast Within? Did you consider fitting Garruk Relentless in somewhere as well? Seems good against Infect decks, plus a great win condition that you can easily cast and protect.
He was running a UW Control deck without the janky Hexproof creatures people keep trying to use. We've (he, I, badjuju) been developing a couple lists for about a week or two prior to States that could handle the Solar Flare and Wolf Run easily and still not lose to the random red or white aggro.
LostCon's list was very good. We decided that using 2 Frost Titans as finishers will catch nearly every deck off-guard (amazing for destroying Images, locking down Rage Shrines, keeping Wolf-Run's and Nexus neutered, as well as making Snapcaster + removal cost over nine thousand mana.) We also agreed that Disperse was very good against the meta and being very underutilized (same amount of CA as ITR when used with Snapcaster Mage.)
I splashed green for Beast Within and he opted to stay in pure UW with Midnight Haunting and Swords for extra reach -- otherwise our creature package is just 4x Snapcaster Mage and 2x Frost Titan.
I am not taking credit for his awesome day, just answering your question while he is offline. He made some different choices than I did in the end, which may make his version of our list superior.
Congrats to all Salvationers who did well at States!
Sounds a lot like what I have been running lately. I swap Gideon for Frosty and the deck started doing even better than before. I splashed Black for Doom Blade, Despise, and boarded in Gruesome Encore. I chose Doom Blade over Disperse, although I tried out both. I liked the Doom Blade against Wolfrun. Frost Titan is great against most of the Meta so far. Which Sword is he running?
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I placed 3rd at Indiana States, Running GW Tokens. I think the top two others were Giestblade decks. I was tired and didn't hear the final results of the top 8.
One of the guys I road up with made 2nd in the Swiss with Solar Flare (which he cut Liliana in) to get a box, so that was pretty fly. Georgia's Top 8 was:
2x Solar Flare
3x Wolf Run
1x Mono Red
1x Mono Black Infect
1x UW Control (Though it may have been UWb control, but it wasn't Solar Flare)
I ended up going 2-3 with Grixis Tezzeret before I dropped and ate at the Chinese buffet next door with some other guys.
Also, the Mono Black Infect was the only undefeated in Swiss (with the help of Liliana). I didn't stay after the quarterfinals though, so I didn't get to see who won. The other Solar Flare deck was running Blade Splicers and Venser as well as no Liliana by the way. Sever the Bloodline mixed with Spellbomb in the sideboard was definitely what won the mirror. He was overloaded with mirror answers.
There were also at least 2 or 3 GW Tokens decks in the top 16. They destroyed Wolf Run all day, but went belly up to Solar Flare.
Oh, there were like 150 people or something (8 rounds).
I got into the top 8 in Louisiana with a my U/B Control deck. It was a bit different since Inkmoth and Runechanter's Pike was the win condition.
The deck did well in general, but the only deck I ever lost against (and I mean lost any rounds to) was Wolf Run Ramp. That deck is the nuts. 5 of the 8 decks in the Louisiana top 8 were Wolf Run Ramp; and 3 of the top 4 were Wolf Run Ramp. My variant was extremely weak versus Wolf Run Ramp. Ancient Grudge laughs at Inkmoth + Pike combo.
I really wish Wotc would sanction these type tournies world wide every 3-4 months for the regular joes. It looks like a real diverse meta right now, which is nice to see. Some interesting rogue decks popping up in certain states. Its going to be interesting which decks take hold in the new meta.
One question, was Solar Flare played in just huge numbers that so many made top 8s or is it a ligit deck? I have heard conflicting arguments about the deck.
SC States top 8 featured current national champion Ali Aintrazi. He was running Esper Snapcaster Control, known as "Ali Cats." There was a RDW deck. A solar flare. A wolf run ramp. Not sure what the rest were, or who won.
As for me, I played UW Planeswalker Control in SC States, and went 5-1-2, coming in 21st out of 167 players (8 swiss rounds). I faced 1 UW Control, 5 Solar Flare, 1 Wolf Run Ramp, and 1 UW Humans deck.
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Mono b infect
Solar flare
Gw tokens
Wolf run
Wolf run and solar flare are probanly the best, but red and infect and tokens are blowouts in the right meta while still being solid decks. UB control should probably be on the list, too, but I haven't seen a lot of it.
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Because it dominates solar flare like no tomorrow, and people still thought solar flare was the best deck so those who brought R/G Kessig decks just steamrolled through the competition. Just goes to show that even the pros get decks wrong some times as they were discussing solar flare like it was the end all be all of decks.
But, are you saying the results wouldn't have fallen in Wolf-Run's favor as much as it did if people were still on Cloud Solar Flare?
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I blame the mana bases, SF can't afford to run enough ghost quarters to fight WR, plus it has to deal with Titan, Garruk, Troll, and endless threats out of GSZ in addition to the land. That's a lot of different angles of attack and each requires pretty specific answers that the deck can't handle without folding to aggro or stumbling on colors.
I suspect people will start running Frosty and Despise soon enough.
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So while many people have been saying this would happen to Flare for weeks now... Wolf Run might just very well be the "next Flare" once people see how to beat it. The Pros are the ones coming to States and dominating with creative decklists (Woo Ramp, B Infect, UW tokens), these might just be the top tier leading to Worlds... then we'll really see how things shake out.
1st: Tempered Steel
2nd: Solar Flare
3rd: RUG Pod
4th: RDW
5th: UW Golems/Shape Anew
6th: Solar Flare
7th: Solar Flare
8th: RDW
50% of the field was either playing Solar Flare or RDW.
Everyone seemed prepared for Wolf Run decks!
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He was running a UW Control deck without the janky Hexproof creatures people keep trying to use. We've (he, I, badjuju) been developing a couple lists for about a week or two prior to States that could handle the Solar Flare and Wolf Run easily and still not lose to the random red or white aggro.
LostCon's list was very good. We decided that using 2 Frost Titans as finishers will catch nearly every deck off-guard (amazing for destroying Images, locking down Rage Shrines, keeping Wolf-Run's and Nexus neutered, as well as making Snapcaster + removal cost over nine thousand mana.) We also agreed that Disperse was very good against the meta and being very underutilized (same amount of CA as ITR when used with Snapcaster Mage.)
I splashed green for Beast Within and he opted to stay in pure UW with Midnight Haunting and Swords for extra reach -- otherwise our creature package is just 4x Snapcaster Mage and 2x Frost Titan.
I am not taking credit for his awesome day, just answering your question while he is offline. He made some different choices than I did in the end, which may make his version of our list superior.
Congrats to all Salvationers who did well at States!
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2: mono red
3: solar flare
4: mono red
Interesting, why the G splash for Beast Within? Did you consider fitting Garruk Relentless in somewhere as well? Seems good against Infect decks, plus a great win condition that you can easily cast and protect.
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Sounds a lot like what I have been running lately. I swap Gideon for Frosty and the deck started doing even better than before. I splashed Black for Doom Blade, Despise, and boarded in Gruesome Encore. I chose Doom Blade over Disperse, although I tried out both. I liked the Doom Blade against Wolfrun. Frost Titan is great against most of the Meta so far. Which Sword is he running?
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3x Wolf Run
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1x Mono Black Infect
1x UW Control (Though it may have been UWb control, but it wasn't Solar Flare)
I ended up going 2-3 with Grixis Tezzeret before I dropped and ate at the Chinese buffet next door with some other guys.
Also, the Mono Black Infect was the only undefeated in Swiss (with the help of Liliana). I didn't stay after the quarterfinals though, so I didn't get to see who won. The other Solar Flare deck was running Blade Splicers and Venser as well as no Liliana by the way. Sever the Bloodline mixed with Spellbomb in the sideboard was definitely what won the mirror. He was overloaded with mirror answers.
There were also at least 2 or 3 GW Tokens decks in the top 16. They destroyed Wolf Run all day, but went belly up to Solar Flare.
Oh, there were like 150 people or something (8 rounds).
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The deck did well in general, but the only deck I ever lost against (and I mean lost any rounds to) was Wolf Run Ramp. That deck is the nuts. 5 of the 8 decks in the Louisiana top 8 were Wolf Run Ramp; and 3 of the top 4 were Wolf Run Ramp. My variant was extremely weak versus Wolf Run Ramp. Ancient Grudge laughs at Inkmoth + Pike combo.
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BUG Pod vs BG Pod - Winner BG Pod
Tempered Steel vs ?? Solar Flare? - Winner Tempered Steel
G/W/U Tokens Control vs G/W Humans - Winner G/W Humans
RDW vs RDW - Winner RDW
Semis:
BG Pod vs G/W Humans - Winner G/W Humans
RDW vs Tempered Steel - Winner RDW
Finals:
G/W Humans vs RDW - Winner RDW
1)RDW
2)G/W Humans
3)Tempered Steel
4)BG Pod
5)RDW
6)G/W/U Tokens Control
7)?? Solar flare??
8)BUG Pod
Wins/Losses/Draws
13/2/1
One question, was Solar Flare played in just huge numbers that so many made top 8s or is it a ligit deck? I have heard conflicting arguments about the deck.
http://the2011s.com/The2011s_Decklists.html will have the decklists on Monday.
As for me, I played UW Planeswalker Control in SC States, and went 5-1-2, coming in 21st out of 167 players (8 swiss rounds). I faced 1 UW Control, 5 Solar Flare, 1 Wolf Run Ramp, and 1 UW Humans deck.
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