The people who HAVE expensive mythics will rarely want to play a format where their investment was worthless.
I'm trying to get Pauper and Middle Class Magic (only commons and uncommons) to take off locally as they are cheap, acceessible formats to all that still reward good deck building and play skill. Alas when someone's paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars on mythics they aren't going to want to leave them at home.
I know that some people may not be on board but who says you'd have to chose one or the other to play. I'm not saying this is supposed to be a budget format or anything since cards like fetchlands and Stoneforge Mystic can all still be played just it does away with a lot of what is holding Standard back. The problem with Pauper and MCM is that it can essentially feel like a very restricted format and a budget one at that. All I'm proposing is we cut out what we think is harming Standard and continuing on.
Think of it like an experiment even to see if Mythics really are killing Standard and somewhere to test brews that don't have to pass the tests of being able to kill by turn 5 or the "Jace" tests. Just of the top of my head I can see different archetypes being more viable: Combo (Pyromancer's Ascension, Quest WW, pre-M11 Valakut), Control (MBC, MWC, UW Control, UB Control), and Aggro (RDW, Boros) and even things like Tribal (Elves, Goblins, Knights).
I also think a good place to start would be on MTGO since its easier to meet up with players that don't want to be playing/paying Mythics and organize events/tournaments. I think it could be a great opportunity for the players to show how they feel and for Wizards to possibly see the variety that a non-mythic format has. It would at least do more than simply seeing a bunch of sigs with "I don't like Mythics".
Did you even read the article? Because you took it wildly out of context. They did not say they think they should ban Jace, they said it's power level was a lot higher than they had anticipated/wanted. There's also no mention of "secondary market" anywhere in that article let alone it be a causation for not banning. I don't think it's fair for you to sandbag Wizards based on things you either made up or thought the article said when glancing over it.
The entire game is getting too expensive, not just Standard, even though Standard is quite ridiculous. I remember when I got my Mother of Runes for a quarter each, now they're like $4...Swords to Plowshares for a dollar each, and now they're about $4 too...and the list goes on. I actually traded out of my non-Standard binder a couple weeks ago and was astonished at how much money some of my cards are worth because I got most of them back when $2 was the average price of a rare. I haven't even built a Standard deck since Tarmogoyf was $40 and I thought that was bad enough.
I'm really curious just how expensive this game is going to get before people take a hint.
The entire game is getting too expensive, not just Standard, even though Standard is quite ridiculous. I remember when I got my Mother of Runes for a quarter each, now they're like $4...Swords to Plowshares for a dollar each, and now they're about $4 too...and the list goes on. I actually traded out of my non-Standard binder a couple weeks ago and was astonished at how much money some of my cards are worth because I got most of them back when $2 was the average price of a rare. I haven't even built a Standard deck since Tarmogoyf was $40 and I thought that was bad enough.
I'm really curious just how expensive this game is going to get before people take a hint.
Legacy staples have taken insane price hikes in the last few weeks, the increased popularity of the format doesn't wholly explain the insane rise so rapidly. There is a lot of speculation that *the* major card dealing site simply jacked prices, and everyone else followed suit. There is a lot of money to be made in second market dealings: many players who play competitively support the hobby by card speculation and profitable trading buy/selling. I can't wholly blame dealers for jacking prices considering that stuff still sells at those prices, but I don't think it is the best thing for the game/format.
For standard, I think that a good trading strategy makes it much more affordable. You have to get rid of your rotating money cards early and either trade them for legacy cards that hold value, or cards that are likely to increase in value with the October rotation. I traded almost all my shards block high value cards last year after Rise came out, before M11, and got a bunch of Jaces and most of my zen fetches. This year I'll be offing my Jace and Titan sets afer NPH before M12 for hopefully some legacy cards or just see if I can sell them for 80+% of market. I hardly spent anything on the entire zen block, everything was just drafts, and trading value I already had. Standard doesn't have to be so expensive, you just have to trade aggressively. I spend far more traveling to tournaments than I do on new cards.
Someone please explain to me why this isn't a good idea. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe wizards did something like this in the past:
Once or twice a year release a standard legal dual deck and sell it for something like forty five dollars or something. I dunno. Picture it. Jace v. Valakut Titan Dual Deck. You could even make it cawblade. Give each deck a couple of mythics plus a few decent rares and the usual assortment of common and uncommon. One titan and one JTMS. Sell it for fifty. Sixty. It would sell like crazy would it not??
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My current complaint is the price of fetch lands. Will these prices reduce once they rotate out our are they here to stay?
Your lucky fetches are only at what they are. If Mythics (the supposed demons of Magic) didn't exist, those Fetches would be double the price. Guaranteed.
yes it would sell like crazy, but if all the spikes out there knew there was a box set coming they wouldnt buy any singles from dealers. Hence the amount of boxes dealers buy from wotc would go down and they would lose a lot of money.
Fair enough but could wizards not release this theoretical dual box like..... now? Worldwake boxes have already sold like crazy, right?
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Your lucky fetches are only at what they are. If Mythics (the supposed demons of Magic) didn't exist, those Fetches would be double the price. Guaranteed.
You realize Zendikar doesn't have much in the way of mythics right?
In fact if in zendikar instead of 1 in 8 packs having a mythic they just had an extra basic land the rares would only have to go up by 37.5% to cover the missing value. They would only have to go up by 20% if they went back to the old system of a rare in every pack.
And that Mythic rare keeping rares cheap is working so well for sf mystic.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
You realize Zendikar doesn't have much in the way of mythics right?
In fact if in zendikar instead of 1 in 8 packs having a mythic they just had an extra basic land the rares would only have to go up by 37.5% to cover the missing value. They would only have to go up by 20% if they went back to the old system of a rare in every pack.
And that Mythic rare keeping rares cheap is working so well for sf mystic.
What he's saying isn't that people are opening Zen because of Mythics and have tons of the rest of rares lying around like Stoneforge & Jace, what he's saying is that with the introduction of Mythic Rarity, they infact introduced something more like uncommon-rares and made mythics the old rares. Regular rares are now printed nearly twice as often as those in sets before there were mythics, thus greatly increasing the supply of them. Without mythics everybody would complain about the obscene prices of any lands in standard, so I'm actually greatful they exist. Jace would've costed just as much as he does if he were printed in an old set, say future sight. Look at the price of Goyf and he wasn't played much in standard. Imagine how expensive he'd have been as a standard staple and legacy staple? Yeah now compare to Jace.
Your lucky fetches are only at what they are. If Mythics (the supposed demons of Magic) didn't exist, those Fetches would be double the price. Guaranteed.
Yeah, I wasn't playing during Lorwyn and Shadowmoor, but before M10 I can't remember a time when the manabase for nearly every competitive deck wasn't at least $100
What he's saying isn't that people are opening Zen because of Mythics and have tons of the rest of rares lying around like Stoneforge & Jace, what he's saying is that with the introduction of Mythic Rarity, they infact introduced something more like uncommon-rares and made mythics the old rares. Regular rares are now printed nearly twice as often as those in sets before there were mythics, thus greatly increasing the supply of them.
That is incorrect,
1. Rares in general are not any more common(infact they are less commonn)
2. What you are talking about is the reduction of numbers of rares pers set which increase the frequency of getting a specific rare by 50%.(This has nothing to do with mythics)
3. That has little effect on the price of rares. Less rares per set does not equal cheaper rares, the rares will still have about the same average price, it just means that the set itself will be cheaper.
Without mythics everybody would complain about the obscene prices of any lands in standard, so I'm actually greatful they exist. Jace would've costed just as much as he does if he were printed in an old set, say future sight.
Incorect, If you look at the play level of mythic and compare them to the play level of pre-mythic rares, cards with similar play level the mythic cost 3-5 times the price.
Look at the price of Goyf and he wasn't played much in standard. Imagine how expensive he'd have been as a standard staple and legacy staple? Yeah now compare to Jace.
Goyf was a monster in every format(he was about 33% of the top 8's across the board) Jace is just a standard monster.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
OK so can i clarify something really quick? is it that when mythics came out, did Wizards decide to make super pumped rares (abilities)? or is it that they decided have the good cards get more recognition?...that wasnt worded very well haha just let me know if it needs clarifying
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Unfortunately not true...Although not as dominating in other formats, Jace is extensively played in extended and vintage (yes, seriously, vintage). I'm not too sure about legacy but I assure you about the other two.
There is a small online sentiment to actually get Jace restricted in vintage because he's so powerful. It's crazy that a four mana permanent can do that to a format with Black Lotus/Ancestral Recall in.
I did overlook extended though Goyf was much more dominate than jace is now. I looked up vintage from what I see 7 Jaces in the top 8 is high I wouldn't call that dominating.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
You know what I find funny? Its how people are willing to accept for a card.
I may sound weird in saying this but, i haggle for my cards. I recently picked up a Jtms when ge was going for $60 dollars, for $55. Now thats not much, but i still saved money.
Prices in standard are kind of ridiculous, especially since it constantly seems to change with whatever deck is popular right now. JTMS, we can all agree, is an example of price-gouging on a piece of cardboard just because it has strong abilities. I have reason to doubt that cardboard and ink is really worth $80. The only reason for these exorbitant costs is because sellers are just looking to make a quick buck.
Prices in standard are kind of ridiculous, especially since it constantly seems to change with whatever deck is popular right now. JTMS, we can all agree, is an example of price-gouging on a piece of cardboard just because it has strong abilities. I have reason to doubt that cardboard and ink is really worth $80. The only reason for these exorbitant costs is because sellers are just looking to make a quick buck.
Honestly if you play the market properly Magic is really not that expensive. I picked up Jaces when they were 20 because I mean cmon, 4 abilities? It was obviously going to be ridiculous. I sold them when they hit 50 because I thought they wouldn't go higher than that. When they hit 75 I had to re-pick them up because I wanted to play with them, and was also picking up spares when I could for $60 to flip for $75 just to recoup some of what I lost. I don't blame dealers for wanting to make money on a card that's scarce, it's a simple matter of supply and demand, of course the card is gonna keep rising.
Prices in standard are kind of ridiculous, especially since it constantly seems to change with whatever deck is popular right now. JTMS, we can all agree, is an example of price-gouging on a piece of cardboard just because it has strong abilities. I have reason to doubt that cardboard and ink is really worth $80. The only reason for these exorbitant costs is because sellers are just looking to make a quick buck.
are you 7? do you even understand the basic concept of supply and demand?
i'm pretty sure the cardboard and ink to print a black lotus was well less then a dollar.
yet for some reason, it's a phenomenally expensive card. why is that? it's all the dealers fault!
you're complaining that the prices change in standard due to the popularity of the deck. LOL. so you're complaining that things cost more when more folks want them.
you're complaining that the prices change in standard due to the popularity of the deck. LOL. so you're complaining that things cost more when more folks want them.
The issue is how much more they cost. Many cards seem suspiciously arbitrarily expensive. Of course it's reasonable to expect that staple rares will cost more than other cards, but $90? $40? Why?
This is why magic is too expensive... Mythics are in shorter supply than rares and in higher demand... hence the stupid price... the only way to stop this is by either reducing the demand for mythics (make them not staples) or by increasing the supply (removal of mythic rarity)
Its not rocket science people.
An expensive Standard deck when I last played (Time Spiral/Lorwyn) was $300. That's practically a budget deck now.
Mythics do not have to be removed entirely to increase supply.
They could change the mythic ratio to 1 in 6 packs rather than 1 in 8, or, WotC could design 2-3 less mythics per set. There are other ways to increase the supply
I don't think a 1-6 ratio would help much more. Mythics were originally supposed to be bad cards for the casual crowd, and technically outside of rafiq and the planeswalkers they all were. The problem is cards like elspeth and Sarkhan (at least for the first month or so) were pretty strong indicators that they weren't going to adhere to that rule for very long. If they go back to that and stick to it, the little kids will still jump for joy at their mythic 8/8 trample for 7, dealers will be stoked because they won't have to open as much to make money and players will rejoice that rares will retain some kind of value.
On a more serious note I dont think the problem lies with the mythic rarity itself but the power (like the above cards) lend to the format, look at stoneforge mystic she is a rare not mythic whos price is more than vengvine a mythic. The problem also lies within the varience factor of the game, in which in order to be competitive it is very difficult to out right impossible to do so without running the cards which has direct correlation with the power of them. If wizards printed more powerful non mythic cards ie: stoneforge mystic that have to be used in a different way entirly (different arctype) the cost for standard would decrease and the variance would increase.
It would drop the value of the sets, but more importantly it would make the rarity of rares and mythics closer which would decrease the price of Mythics and increase the price of rare. I would guess it would drop the price of mythics by 40%.
On a more serious note I dont think the problem lies with the mythic rarity itself but the power (like the above cards) lend to the format, look at stoneforge mystic she is a rare not mythic whos price is more than vengvine a mythic.
There are two factors that determine a cards price, supply and demand. Stone forger is seeing much more play that vengevine, If vengevine was seeing the type of play stoneforge is then it would likely be a $60-$100 card. Also a quick ebay search shows that despite seeing vastly more play stoneforge is actually cheaper the vengevine.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
This thread feels so lacking of facts like at all. Standard is fine, cards have always hit these price points. Jesters cap was a $30 dollar rare in ICE AGE for gods sake., Mutavault hit $40 a piece in Lorwyn's big constructed season, Cryptic broke $25 so did bitterblossom. Your buying cards at their peak and complaining about their prices. Are you going to do the same when Thrun, Molten-Tail mastiocore and Koth sky rocket? Read the market a little guys, its like being mad that Google's stock went up and you can't afford to buy it now thats its so high, regardless of the fact that everyone told you to buy when it was low.
And yes I get that $90 is a lot higher, but do you get how how the fetches would be otherwise? stoneforge? Jace would be at 50, stoneforge 40 and the fetches at least 20 a piece. Manlands would be $10-15 a piece, swords would still be 20+. This goes for a lot of cards in the format.
Have a helicopter drop you off out front. Light your cigar with a small Indonesian boy holding a black lotus. Then bust out a craw wurm deck with no sleeves. Raw dog shuffle, loose terribly, flip the table, leave in a hovercraft.
I think Mythic was a damned stupid idea. It just makes some of the best cards shorter in supply, and thus drives their prices way up.
It's pretty irritating, because Wizards must have known that was going to happen.
That being said, as long as people will pay the money, and they will, the prices are going to remain the same. The "power decks" of each set aren't going to stop being expensive unfortunately.
The thing that really irritates me is that with the release of this new set, the cards have already been examined and their power has already been determined. Mental Misstep is starting out as a 5 dollar uncommon ffs! This leaves zero room to buy cards you know are going to be big ahead of time, because a lot of the pros have already sussed out what's going to be good, made the information public, and the dealer's have raised the prices sky-high in response.
@Avron - what makes you think think Thrun, Koth and Masticore are going to skyrocket? (Although I do agree about Koth).
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I know that some people may not be on board but who says you'd have to chose one or the other to play. I'm not saying this is supposed to be a budget format or anything since cards like fetchlands and Stoneforge Mystic can all still be played just it does away with a lot of what is holding Standard back. The problem with Pauper and MCM is that it can essentially feel like a very restricted format and a budget one at that. All I'm proposing is we cut out what we think is harming Standard and continuing on.
Think of it like an experiment even to see if Mythics really are killing Standard and somewhere to test brews that don't have to pass the tests of being able to kill by turn 5 or the "Jace" tests. Just of the top of my head I can see different archetypes being more viable: Combo (Pyromancer's Ascension, Quest WW, pre-M11 Valakut), Control (MBC, MWC, UW Control, UB Control), and Aggro (RDW, Boros) and even things like Tribal (Elves, Goblins, Knights).
I also think a good place to start would be on MTGO since its easier to meet up with players that don't want to be playing/paying Mythics and organize events/tournaments. I think it could be a great opportunity for the players to show how they feel and for Wizards to possibly see the variety that a non-mythic format has. It would at least do more than simply seeing a bunch of sigs with "I don't like Mythics".
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I'm really curious just how expensive this game is going to get before people take a hint.
Legacy staples have taken insane price hikes in the last few weeks, the increased popularity of the format doesn't wholly explain the insane rise so rapidly. There is a lot of speculation that *the* major card dealing site simply jacked prices, and everyone else followed suit. There is a lot of money to be made in second market dealings: many players who play competitively support the hobby by card speculation and profitable trading buy/selling. I can't wholly blame dealers for jacking prices considering that stuff still sells at those prices, but I don't think it is the best thing for the game/format.
For standard, I think that a good trading strategy makes it much more affordable. You have to get rid of your rotating money cards early and either trade them for legacy cards that hold value, or cards that are likely to increase in value with the October rotation. I traded almost all my shards block high value cards last year after Rise came out, before M11, and got a bunch of Jaces and most of my zen fetches. This year I'll be offing my Jace and Titan sets afer NPH before M12 for hopefully some legacy cards or just see if I can sell them for 80+% of market. I hardly spent anything on the entire zen block, everything was just drafts, and trading value I already had. Standard doesn't have to be so expensive, you just have to trade aggressively. I spend far more traveling to tournaments than I do on new cards.
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Once or twice a year release a standard legal dual deck and sell it for something like forty five dollars or something. I dunno. Picture it. Jace v. Valakut Titan Dual Deck. You could even make it cawblade. Give each deck a couple of mythics plus a few decent rares and the usual assortment of common and uncommon. One titan and one JTMS. Sell it for fifty. Sixty. It would sell like crazy would it not??
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Your lucky fetches are only at what they are. If Mythics (the supposed demons of Magic) didn't exist, those Fetches would be double the price. Guaranteed.
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Fair enough but could wizards not release this theoretical dual box like..... now? Worldwake boxes have already sold like crazy, right?
You realize Zendikar doesn't have much in the way of mythics right?
In fact if in zendikar instead of 1 in 8 packs having a mythic they just had an extra basic land the rares would only have to go up by 37.5% to cover the missing value. They would only have to go up by 20% if they went back to the old system of a rare in every pack.
And that Mythic rare keeping rares cheap is working so well for sf mystic.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
What he's saying isn't that people are opening Zen because of Mythics and have tons of the rest of rares lying around like Stoneforge & Jace, what he's saying is that with the introduction of Mythic Rarity, they infact introduced something more like uncommon-rares and made mythics the old rares. Regular rares are now printed nearly twice as often as those in sets before there were mythics, thus greatly increasing the supply of them. Without mythics everybody would complain about the obscene prices of any lands in standard, so I'm actually greatful they exist. Jace would've costed just as much as he does if he were printed in an old set, say future sight. Look at the price of Goyf and he wasn't played much in standard. Imagine how expensive he'd have been as a standard staple and legacy staple? Yeah now compare to Jace.
Yeah, I wasn't playing during Lorwyn and Shadowmoor, but before M10 I can't remember a time when the manabase for nearly every competitive deck wasn't at least $100
That is incorrect,
1. Rares in general are not any more common(infact they are less commonn)
2. What you are talking about is the reduction of numbers of rares pers set which increase the frequency of getting a specific rare by 50%.(This has nothing to do with mythics)
3. That has little effect on the price of rares. Less rares per set does not equal cheaper rares, the rares will still have about the same average price, it just means that the set itself will be cheaper.
Incorect, If you look at the play level of mythic and compare them to the play level of pre-mythic rares, cards with similar play level the mythic cost 3-5 times the price.
Goyf was a monster in every format(he was about 33% of the top 8's across the board) Jace is just a standard monster.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
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I did overlook extended though Goyf was much more dominate than jace is now. I looked up vintage from what I see 7 Jaces in the top 8 is high I wouldn't call that dominating.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I may sound weird in saying this but, i haggle for my cards. I recently picked up a Jtms when ge was going for $60 dollars, for $55. Now thats not much, but i still saved money.
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Honestly if you play the market properly Magic is really not that expensive. I picked up Jaces when they were 20 because I mean cmon, 4 abilities? It was obviously going to be ridiculous. I sold them when they hit 50 because I thought they wouldn't go higher than that. When they hit 75 I had to re-pick them up because I wanted to play with them, and was also picking up spares when I could for $60 to flip for $75 just to recoup some of what I lost. I don't blame dealers for wanting to make money on a card that's scarce, it's a simple matter of supply and demand, of course the card is gonna keep rising.
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are you 7? do you even understand the basic concept of supply and demand?
i'm pretty sure the cardboard and ink to print a black lotus was well less then a dollar.
yet for some reason, it's a phenomenally expensive card. why is that? it's all the dealers fault!
you're complaining that the prices change in standard due to the popularity of the deck. LOL. so you're complaining that things cost more when more folks want them.
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The issue is how much more they cost. Many cards seem suspiciously arbitrarily expensive. Of course it's reasonable to expect that staple rares will cost more than other cards, but $90? $40? Why?
An expensive Standard deck when I last played (Time Spiral/Lorwyn) was $300. That's practically a budget deck now.
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I don't think a 1-6 ratio would help much more. Mythics were originally supposed to be bad cards for the casual crowd, and technically outside of rafiq and the planeswalkers they all were. The problem is cards like elspeth and Sarkhan (at least for the first month or so) were pretty strong indicators that they weren't going to adhere to that rule for very long. If they go back to that and stick to it, the little kids will still jump for joy at their mythic 8/8 trample for 7, dealers will be stoked because they won't have to open as much to make money and players will rejoice that rares will retain some kind of value.
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On a more serious note I dont think the problem lies with the mythic rarity itself but the power (like the above cards) lend to the format, look at stoneforge mystic she is a rare not mythic whos price is more than vengvine a mythic. The problem also lies within the varience factor of the game, in which in order to be competitive it is very difficult to out right impossible to do so without running the cards which has direct correlation with the power of them. If wizards printed more powerful non mythic cards ie: stoneforge mystic that have to be used in a different way entirly (different arctype) the cost for standard would decrease and the variance would increase.
It would drop the value of the sets, but more importantly it would make the rarity of rares and mythics closer which would decrease the price of Mythics and increase the price of rare. I would guess it would drop the price of mythics by 40%.
There are two factors that determine a cards price, supply and demand. Stone forger is seeing much more play that vengevine, If vengevine was seeing the type of play stoneforge is then it would likely be a $60-$100 card. Also a quick ebay search shows that despite seeing vastly more play stoneforge is actually cheaper the vengevine.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
And yes I get that $90 is a lot higher, but do you get how how the fetches would be otherwise? stoneforge? Jace would be at 50, stoneforge 40 and the fetches at least 20 a piece. Manlands would be $10-15 a piece, swords would still be 20+. This goes for a lot of cards in the format.
It's pretty irritating, because Wizards must have known that was going to happen.
That being said, as long as people will pay the money, and they will, the prices are going to remain the same. The "power decks" of each set aren't going to stop being expensive unfortunately.
The thing that really irritates me is that with the release of this new set, the cards have already been examined and their power has already been determined. Mental Misstep is starting out as a 5 dollar uncommon ffs! This leaves zero room to buy cards you know are going to be big ahead of time, because a lot of the pros have already sussed out what's going to be good, made the information public, and the dealer's have raised the prices sky-high in response.
@Avron - what makes you think think Thrun, Koth and Masticore are going to skyrocket? (Although I do agree about Koth).