I just got back from FNM a few hours ago. I went 3-1 and ended up either 2nd or 3rd. I decided the Grixis list was better than the Esper one I had brewed up and I think I was right. The spot removal and sweepers in the burn are just much better overall.
Sigh, when I sat down I couldn't help but think that this was a bad match. A throw back to my non-Pyroclasm/Slagstorm days. Game 1 I managed to handle his threats and with a couple of timely Pyroclasms managed to get the win via Creeping Tar Pit and Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas. Game 2, I was dead by turn 4. He dropped Ornithopter, Memnite, and Kuldotha Rebirth before my first turn. He followed that up with a Contested Warzone on turn 2 and I was basically dead at that point. Game 3, I hit a turn 5 Wurmcoil Engine and took control of the game. He had a decent board position with 3 goblin tokens, Goblin Wardriver, 2 4/4 Devastating Summons tokens, a Chimeric Mass with 3 counters, and Koth of the Hammer but he had sacrificed all of his lands and couldn't draw another. He actually used Koth's first ability on one of my mountains just to do something on his turn. I finished him off with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas' ultimate.
Round 3: Mono White Lifegain (2-0)
This felt like a bye. I think the guy was new to the game but I did realize that Leyline of Sanctity (which he had main) is a real pain to deal with. I managed to kill him with big artifacts courtesy of Precursor Golem in both games after he managed to get to around 30 each time.
Round 4: Blue/White Proliferate (2-1)
Game 1, I seriously lost to Thrumming Bird...let that sink in. I ended up having to use Tumble Magnet counters on the damn thing. I felt horrible after this game because he was running Fuel for the Cause and Steady Progress :o...he finished Game 1 with a Tumble Magnet that had almost 10 counters on it. I was completely locked out of the game. Game 2 and Game 3, were inverses of each other. He got mana screwed in game 2 and flooded in game 3. Both of those games were won off the back of turn 3 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas and his artifact friends.
So all in all, 3-1, but it's not like I had stiff competition. I understand the value of Inferno Titan in this deck and if I had them then they would be main over the Precursor Golem. I thought I'd like the Golem but there's just too much spot removal in my meta (Doom Blade is overtaking Go for the Throat here) so I might put the Grave Titans main over the Golem. I really enjoyed playing this deck, it was a lot of fun.
looks like my list
my match yesterday at FNM wus against New Jund round one lol.
I didn't playtest my list b4 FNM and lost to that. Could of 2-0'd him but i made to many mistakes in Game 1, game 2 i auto killed myself staying with a horrible hand.
Round two i won 2-0 Against Mono Blue Architect
Round three won 2-0 against Kiblers B/U infect list.
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For Valakut I am seriously thinking about bringing back Mindslaver/treasure mage package for the side, or see what I can do with it main. Today I am headed up to cleveland to meet with the rest of our tour team and we are going to tweak all of our decks for the upcoming tournaments. There is one regional today in Atlanta, and in a few weeks at Nashville, and that is the one that we all plan on going to. After the grixis list gets finished I'll see how it goes against Valakut and RUG. If the list is better I will post it in my link tonight when I get back home.
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Three weeks man, then I am going to see how far I can take grixis, until then I am going to be focusing solely on this deck and put all of my other ideas on the back burner.
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I just got back from my National Qualifier, where I got seriously dumped on by my Deck. I am playing a build similar to Neo's list, but with tweaks because I have no JTMs. All 4 games I played, I mulliganed to 5. X-2 can't even get into prizes here so I dropped.
I would be down for some MWS testing, but I still can't get access to all of the cards. Their instructions are lacking, or I am retarded, but either way I can't get the application to see the new database.
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Been following the forums for about the last 20 pages or so and I noticed there was a lot more focus on grixis decks than just plain u/b. The reason I am testing u/b is to go for the colorless lands much like eldrazi green. I am hoping i can get some critique on this list.
Mystifying Maze: this card is a great mana dump late game, and also is good at forcing an unequip on a sworded hawk.
Ichor Wellspring: once animated by tezz, it is almost a jace's ingenuity. One draw when it comes into play, one when it leaves, and eating an opponent's removal or attacking for the win, it seems really powerful late game. Of course, by itself it is worse than prophetic prism, so it may see the cut.
Inquisition over Preordain: this deck is more consistent than the grixis version from the testing I have done, so preordain is less important. Also, I have won too many matches using inquisition to snatch a sword or stoneforge for me to cut it.
My sideboard is still a work in progress sadly.
Been following the forums for about the last 20 pages or so and I noticed there was a lot more focus on grixis decks than just plain u/b. The reason I am testing u/b is to go for the colorless lands much like eldrazi green. I am hoping i can get some critique on this list.
Mystifying Maze: this card is a great mana dump late game, and also is good at forcing an unequip on a sworded hawk.
Ichor Wellspring: once animated by tezz, it is almost a jace's ingenuity. One draw when it comes into play, one when it leaves, and eating an opponent's removal or attacking for the win, it seems really powerful late game. Of course, by itself it is worse than prophetic prism, so it may see the cut.
Inquisition over Preordain: this deck is more consistent than the grixis version from the testing I have done, so preordain is less important. Also, I have won too many matches using inquisition to snatch a sword or stoneforge for me to cut it.
My sideboard is still a work in progress sadly.
I myself prefer the control version of tezzeret as well, and find it to be more reliable....but grixis is tons of fun and its just so aggressive.
as for your list, you have alot of 1 ofs, why not run 4 Iok? or split it 2/2? cut the ichor wellspring and one prophetic prism for 2 more sphere of the suns or add more Gftt/doom blade in thier place. just some food for thought.
Been following the forums for about the last 20 pages or so and I noticed there was a lot more focus on grixis decks than just plain u/b. The reason I am testing u/b is to go for the colorless lands much like eldrazi green. I am hoping i can get some critique on this list.
Mystifying Maze: this card is a great mana dump late game, and also is good at forcing an unequip on a sworded hawk.
Ichor Wellspring: once animated by tezz, it is almost a jace's ingenuity. One draw when it comes into play, one when it leaves, and eating an opponent's removal or attacking for the win, it seems really powerful late game. Of course, by itself it is worse than prophetic prism, so it may see the cut.
Inquisition over Preordain: this deck is more consistent than the grixis version from the testing I have done, so preordain is less important. Also, I have won too many matches using inquisition to snatch a sword or stoneforge for me to cut it.
My sideboard is still a work in progress sadly.
I started out running a UB Proliferate Infect style deck and only very recently switched to Grixis. I don't think I'll go back. As much as I wanted to deny it, the burn offered by red is simply better. Your list is a good step in the right direction but seems to lack a little focus. I don't see the need for Prophetic Prism seeing as how your only 2 colors and only running 6 colorless lands. I would consider upping your Everflowing Chalice and Sphere of the Suns count to 4 each. Creeping Tar Pits are too good to not run as well. I'm not sure I'd run less than 4 Mana Leak, 2 seems a bit iffy to me. I'd try to find a way to fit more spot removal into the deck.
Been following the forums for about the last 20 pages or so and I noticed there was a lot more focus on grixis decks than just plain u/b. The reason I am testing u/b is to go for the colorless lands much like eldrazi green. I am hoping i can get some critique on this list.
Mystifying Maze: this card is a great mana dump late game, and also is good at forcing an unequip on a sworded hawk.
Ichor Wellspring: once animated by tezz, it is almost a jace's ingenuity. One draw when it comes into play, one when it leaves, and eating an opponent's removal or attacking for the win, it seems really powerful late game. Of course, by itself it is worse than prophetic prism, so it may see the cut.
Inquisition over Preordain: this deck is more consistent than the grixis version from the testing I have done, so preordain is less important. Also, I have won too many matches using inquisition to snatch a sword or stoneforge for me to cut it.
My sideboard is still a work in progress sadly.
ichor wellspring and prophetic prism are both terribly suboptimal cards from my experience. you shouldnt need mana fixing at all with the prism, and the extra draw is 'cute' but not nearly as good as something that could replace it. ichor wellspring is too situational i'd say. it might work in some crazy ridiculous deck that abuses proliferate via throne of geth, but outside of that its just reeeally mediocre.
have you tried triskelion main? hes a blast to play, and hes actually quite good. its super awesome when you drop a trisk, then -1 on tezz to get an 8/8 that can ping little dudes, or take down planeswalkers.
i would strongly suggest you get in 4 creeping tar pit mainboard, they are simply too good to be overlooked.
you need little jace at the very least. you simply have to have something to deal with jace mainboard. even if its a preemptive vindicate via jace beleren.
I've been out of it regarding Tezzeret the last couple weeks. Been concentrating on other decks, but Tezz keeps calling me back. I really like the Grixis build, but do not have Koth, can't afford Koth and probably won't ever get Koth. So, I'm trying this:
I'm wondering if I might need any creatures for early threats. In play testing so far, I've been fine with the IoK, Magnets, Slagstorms, etc taking care of what comes out.
I'm also debating on taking out the Chalices and putting in Prophetic Prism (for the draw and mana fixing). One last thing is I'm wondering if I should run 4x IoK and dropping either the bolt or preordain down to 3 instead.
I know Koth is the big boy in Grixis, but he's not an option for me.
Any suggestions?
BTW- In play testing, this absolutely destroyed my Architect deck. One game, I was able to use Tezz's ultimate for 20. Another, I won on the back of the Tar Pits. And another it was the Titans. The deck is extremely versatile.
i think you are underselling yourself, koth is totally do-able, he's right around 20$ and is pretty easy to trade for, other than that, DO NOT replace chalices with prisms, prism is at the top of the list to be cut as soon as it can be
otherwise, i like the list and i think you should probably keep playtesting, but you should play against other decks than just architect
Chalice is really good in setting up a turn 3 walker. There for awhile I didn't use Koth at all, but I had to use 4 tezz and 3 jace the mind sculptor to get the job done, and while the caw match up was a lot easier, it lacked in facing another control deck. But I do have some free time so I will see about coming up with a modified list for you if JTMS is also not an option, or you should go look at what Tronist and Zeek are working on, their BUG list looks fantastic.
But I do have some really good news, I have almost have the valakut match down to an auto-win as long as you don't get a crap hand. After a few more test I will post the changes to the build and the reasons behind it, but there are not that many changes
With an opening hand of Mountain, Scalding Tarn, Darkslick, 2x Koth and 2x Inferno I had Valakut to 1 life before they topdecked their answer...let's hope these changes hold up against the other matches.
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i think you are underselling yourself, koth is totally do-able, he's right around 20$ and is pretty easy to trade for, other than that, DO NOT replace chalices with prisms, prism is at the top of the list to be cut as soon as it can be
otherwise, i like the list and i think you should probably keep playtesting, but you should play against other decks than just architect
while i do agree that prism is pretty mediocre for an artifact, it does do a couple of good things.
1.) filtering mana is simply needed for some 3 color decks.
2.) it ups the count of 0-2 mana cost artifacts (if this gets to 12+, with other artifacts in the 3+ mana slots as well, you can run mox opal, which is nice)
I've been out of it regarding Tezzeret the last couple weeks. Been concentrating on other decks, but Tezz keeps calling me back. I really like the Grixis build, but do not have Koth, can't afford Koth and probably won't ever get Koth. So, I'm trying this:
I'm wondering if I might need any creatures for early threats. In play testing so far, I've been fine with the IoK, Magnets, Slagstorms, etc taking care of what comes out.
I'm also debating on taking out the Chalices and putting in Prophetic Prism (for the draw and mana fixing). One last thing is I'm wondering if I should run 4x IoK and dropping either the bolt or preordain down to 3 instead.
I know Koth is the big boy in Grixis, but he's not an option for me.
Any suggestions?
BTW- In play testing, this absolutely destroyed my Architect deck. One game, I was able to use Tezz's ultimate for 20. Another, I won on the back of the Tar Pits. And another it was the Titans. The deck is extremely versatile.
As a suggestion, play more chandra, she is a great win con if you can protect here, i have won games with Tezz/Chandra combination
while i do agree that prism is pretty mediocre for an artifact, it does do a couple of good things.
1.) filtering mana is simply needed for some 3 color decks.
2.) it ups the count of 0-2 mana cost artifacts (if this gets to 12+, with other artifacts in the 3+ mana slots as well, you can run mox opal, which is nice)
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3. ) Cantrip
4. ) It still can be a great 5/5 beater, better than a Magnet with counters still on it
i think you are underselling yourself, koth is totally do-able, he's right around 20$ and is pretty easy to trade for, other than that, DO NOT replace chalices with prisms, prism is at the top of the list to be cut as soon as it can be
otherwise, i like the list and i think you should probably keep playtesting, but you should play against other decks than just architect
Please do not say that Koth is doable for my situation. It might be for you, but not really for me.
1. I'm a single father with custody of 4 kids who JUST got back to work a month ago after being out of work for almost a year. Spending $20.00 on a single card is not really an option for me at this point.
2. Since I was out of work, my 40k card collection is now about 1/40th of that. Had to sell just about everything I had, so most of my trade-bait is gone.
3. Everyplace in town (all 2 options) has Koth at $30.00, so take point 1 and up it by $10.00
I am not disputing that Koth is the way to go. I've just gotta make due until I can get him somehow...
I am hoping to play vs several other decks soon (RDW, MWC, Infect). And I'm going to play this at FNM. Then I'm going to decide which deck to play for the National Qualifier this next weekend.
while i do agree that prism is pretty mediocre for an artifact, it does do a couple of good things.
1.) filtering mana is simply needed for some 3 color decks.
2.) it ups the count of 0-2 mana cost artifacts (if this gets to 12+, with other artifacts in the 3+ mana slots as well, you can run mox opal, which is nice)
I really think I might needs the mana fixing right now that the prism provides. I'm going to run it and see if it helps much.
As a suggestion, play more chandra, she is a great win con if you can protect here, i have won games with Tezz/Chandra combination
Maybe I'll take out Liliana for another Chandra. Thanks again. Everytime I got her, she did wonders for me. She's an insta-kill for any Titan or <6 toughness.
apologies, this IS a developing competitive thread where budget discussion is prohibited, wasn't trying to make anything personal
It's all good. No worries and I didn't take it personal. It IS developing competitive and you're right about the budget discussion, but I'm not sure Koth falls into that category because it's not a Koth deck. Koth is an option in the Tezzeret deck Now if I said I didn't have Tezz cuz I couldn't afford him...haha
Thanks for the input. I will be on the lookout for Koth. Maybe I can scrap something together to try to trade for him. Dunno at this point.
You can still have a Grixis deck without Koth, so do not worry too much about that. You could just play more of a control list in Chapin's style
Lilliana is a decent replacement for Jace TMS, I almost thought about dropping my Jaces for her actually, it forces me to run more black and it lets mute Tutor for cards while taking off the heat. But that was just an idea, I don't have plans on actually testing it really.
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i'm without papa jace as well, but i'm considering doing 2 mana leak and 2 forsee or something to try to make up for it, little jace in the side most likely
i'm without papa jace as well, but i'm considering doing 2 mana leak and 2 forsee or something to try to make up for it, little jace in the side most likely
If you are going to run little Jace I think you have to run a set of 'em to be honest. Other wise you need something equally as effective if not on a higher power level if you are going to split.
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thats why i'm goin with foresee mana leak, both are pretty relevent and forsee can dig pretty deep, and you are drawing 2 for sure, mana leak fits in really well b/c 1U is easily achieved, any other suggestions are welcome, i'll get my list posted up here soon maybe i can get some advice from a more experienced tezz pilot than myself
thats why i'm goin with foresee mana leak, both are pretty relevent and forsee can dig pretty deep, and you are drawing 2 for sure, mana leak fits in really well b/c 1U is easily achieved, any other suggestions are welcome, i'll get my list posted up here soon maybe i can get some advice from a more experienced tezz pilot than myself
I'd be interested in seeing your list. I'm in the process of building the deck right now as well, and on't intend to run Big Jace. Other than that, I have every card in the deck except for the Tarns, which will follow as soon as I can get a decent deal on em.
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looks like my list
my match yesterday at FNM wus against New Jund round one lol.
I didn't playtest my list b4 FNM and lost to that. Could of 2-0'd him but i made to many mistakes in Game 1, game 2 i auto killed myself staying with a horrible hand.
Round two i won 2-0 Against Mono Blue Architect
Round three won 2-0 against Kiblers B/U infect list.
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Three weeks man, then I am going to see how far I can take grixis, until then I am going to be focusing solely on this deck and put all of my other ideas on the back burner.
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Sunday I will be here if you wanna get together and test your BUG on MWS.
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I would be down for some MWS testing, but I still can't get access to all of the cards. Their instructions are lacking, or I am retarded, but either way I can't get the application to see the new database.
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-2 JTM
-1 Koth
-2 Opal
-4 Lightning Bolt
-2 Precurser Golem
+4 Galvanic Blast
+3 Mana Leak
+2 Duress
+2 Wurmcoil Engine
And my sideboard is different, 2 Memoricide, 2 slagstorm, 2 Revoker, etc.
At FNM, I dont have much problem, even against Caw Blade and Eldrazi Ramp. Just for some reason today, the force was not with me.
Notes on my deck:
Mystifying Maze: this card is a great mana dump late game, and also is good at forcing an unequip on a sworded hawk.
Ichor Wellspring: once animated by tezz, it is almost a jace's ingenuity. One draw when it comes into play, one when it leaves, and eating an opponent's removal or attacking for the win, it seems really powerful late game. Of course, by itself it is worse than prophetic prism, so it may see the cut.
Inquisition over Preordain: this deck is more consistent than the grixis version from the testing I have done, so preordain is less important. Also, I have won too many matches using inquisition to snatch a sword or stoneforge for me to cut it.
My sideboard is still a work in progress sadly.
I myself prefer the control version of tezzeret as well, and find it to be more reliable....but grixis is tons of fun and its just so aggressive.
as for your list, you have alot of 1 ofs, why not run 4 Iok? or split it 2/2? cut the ichor wellspring and one prophetic prism for 2 more sphere of the suns or add more Gftt/doom blade in thier place. just some food for thought.
I started out running a UB Proliferate Infect style deck and only very recently switched to Grixis. I don't think I'll go back. As much as I wanted to deny it, the burn offered by red is simply better. Your list is a good step in the right direction but seems to lack a little focus. I don't see the need for Prophetic Prism seeing as how your only 2 colors and only running 6 colorless lands. I would consider upping your Everflowing Chalice and Sphere of the Suns count to 4 each. Creeping Tar Pits are too good to not run as well. I'm not sure I'd run less than 4 Mana Leak, 2 seems a bit iffy to me. I'd try to find a way to fit more spot removal into the deck.
4 Inkmoth Nexus
6 Swamp
6 Island
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
Creatures
1 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Kuldotha Forgemaster
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Myr Battlesphere
4 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Spells
4 Tumble Magnet
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Preordain
3 Ratchet Bomb
4 Sphere of the Suns
4 Everflowing Chalice
1 Mindslaver
3 See Beyond
3 Flashfreeze
3 Duress
2 Disfigure
3 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Platinum Emperion
ichor wellspring and prophetic prism are both terribly suboptimal cards from my experience. you shouldnt need mana fixing at all with the prism, and the extra draw is 'cute' but not nearly as good as something that could replace it. ichor wellspring is too situational i'd say. it might work in some crazy ridiculous deck that abuses proliferate via throne of geth, but outside of that its just reeeally mediocre.
have you tried triskelion main? hes a blast to play, and hes actually quite good. its super awesome when you drop a trisk, then -1 on tezz to get an 8/8 that can ping little dudes, or take down planeswalkers.
i would strongly suggest you get in 4 creeping tar pit mainboard, they are simply too good to be overlooked.
you need little jace at the very least. you simply have to have something to deal with jace mainboard. even if its a preemptive vindicate via jace beleren.
2x Inferno Titan
2x Precursor Golem
1x Wurmcoil Engine
PLANESWALKERS (7)
3x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
2x Jace Beleren
1x Chandra Nalaar
1x Liliana Vess
ARTIFACTS (12)
4x Tumble Magnet
3x Sphere of the Suns
2x Everflowing Chalice
2x Ratchet Bomb
1x Mox Opal
4x Preordain
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Inquisition
2x Slagstorm
LANDS (23)
4x Creeping Tar Pit
4x Blackcleave Cliffs
4x Darkslick Shores
4x Mountain
3x Tectonic Edge
2x Island
2x Swamp
4x Spreading Seas
4x Memoricide
2x Doom Blade
2x Go for the Throat
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Pyroclasm
1x Sadistic Sacrament
I'm wondering if I might need any creatures for early threats. In play testing so far, I've been fine with the IoK, Magnets, Slagstorms, etc taking care of what comes out.
I'm also debating on taking out the Chalices and putting in Prophetic Prism (for the draw and mana fixing). One last thing is I'm wondering if I should run 4x IoK and dropping either the bolt or preordain down to 3 instead.
I know Koth is the big boy in Grixis, but he's not an option for me.
Any suggestions?
BTW- In play testing, this absolutely destroyed my Architect deck. One game, I was able to use Tezz's ultimate for 20. Another, I won on the back of the Tar Pits. And another it was the Titans. The deck is extremely versatile.
otherwise, i like the list and i think you should probably keep playtesting, but you should play against other decks than just architect
But I do have some really good news, I have almost have the valakut match down to an auto-win as long as you don't get a crap hand. After a few more test I will post the changes to the build and the reasons behind it, but there are not that many changes
With an opening hand of Mountain, Scalding Tarn, Darkslick, 2x Koth and 2x Inferno I had Valakut to 1 life before they topdecked their answer...let's hope these changes hold up against the other matches.
while i do agree that prism is pretty mediocre for an artifact, it does do a couple of good things.
1.) filtering mana is simply needed for some 3 color decks.
2.) it ups the count of 0-2 mana cost artifacts (if this gets to 12+, with other artifacts in the 3+ mana slots as well, you can run mox opal, which is nice)
As a suggestion, play more chandra, she is a great win con if you can protect here, i have won games with Tezz/Chandra combination
and
3. ) Cantrip
4. ) It still can be a great 5/5 beater, better than a Magnet with counters still on it
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Please do not say that Koth is doable for my situation. It might be for you, but not really for me.
1. I'm a single father with custody of 4 kids who JUST got back to work a month ago after being out of work for almost a year. Spending $20.00 on a single card is not really an option for me at this point.
2. Since I was out of work, my 40k card collection is now about 1/40th of that. Had to sell just about everything I had, so most of my trade-bait is gone.
3. Everyplace in town (all 2 options) has Koth at $30.00, so take point 1 and up it by $10.00
I am not disputing that Koth is the way to go. I've just gotta make due until I can get him somehow...
I am hoping to play vs several other decks soon (RDW, MWC, Infect). And I'm going to play this at FNM. Then I'm going to decide which deck to play for the National Qualifier this next weekend.
I really think I might needs the mana fixing right now that the prism provides. I'm going to run it and see if it helps much.
Maybe I'll take out Liliana for another Chandra. Thanks again. Everytime I got her, she did wonders for me. She's an insta-kill for any Titan or <6 toughness.
Thanks for the input. I do take them to heart.
It's all good. No worries and I didn't take it personal. It IS developing competitive and you're right about the budget discussion, but I'm not sure Koth falls into that category because it's not a Koth deck. Koth is an option in the Tezzeret deck Now if I said I didn't have Tezz cuz I couldn't afford him...haha
Thanks for the input. I will be on the lookout for Koth. Maybe I can scrap something together to try to trade for him. Dunno at this point.
Lilliana is a decent replacement for Jace TMS, I almost thought about dropping my Jaces for her actually, it forces me to run more black and it lets mute Tutor for cards while taking off the heat. But that was just an idea, I don't have plans on actually testing it really.
UB - Tezzerator 2.0 - UB
8-3-0
(Decklist and blog updated 4/11/2011)
"Fun fact about me: I home brew my buddies meta deck. He went from having a much lower ranking then me to a significantly higher rating since I started doing this."
If you are going to run little Jace I think you have to run a set of 'em to be honest. Other wise you need something equally as effective if not on a higher power level if you are going to split.
UB - Tezzerator 2.0 - UB
8-3-0
(Decklist and blog updated 4/11/2011)
"Fun fact about me: I home brew my buddies meta deck. He went from having a much lower ranking then me to a significantly higher rating since I started doing this."
I'd be interested in seeing your list. I'm in the process of building the deck right now as well, and on't intend to run Big Jace. Other than that, I have every card in the deck except for the Tarns, which will follow as soon as I can get a decent deal on em.