Looks like you a have pretty good list going here. I personally would swap out the Glint Hawks and clean replace them with Spellskites. I don't like Glint Hawk...too gimmicky IMO.
glint hawk allows alot more explosive starts...i run 4x tec edge and 2x contested warzone as opposed to inkmoth...swinging with a buffed flier for W is still really good imo but that is what i side out most of the time...i will probably switch the hawks for spellskite or mb shrine...or mb hero...hero has been a house for me lately.
glint hawk allows alot more explosive starts...i run 4x tec edge and 2x contested warzone as opposed to inkmoth...swinging with a buffed flier for W is still really good imo but that is what i side out most of the time...i will probably switch the hawks for spellskite or mb shrine...or mb hero...hero has been a house for me lately.
That build also burns out really fast which is why were not seeing any lists MBing multiple warzones and glint hawks (non idol) topping. It doesnt translate to the mid range game well. Also if there is no 0 drop, you lose alot of power.
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Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
People have tried bringing in the quest package a few times but it never really got results. Personally I feel it dilutes the deck by running two separate all-in strategies. It's great if you get TS or quest in your opening hand, but if you get neither of them down by turn 3 then you're left with a jumble of pieces that can't get you anywhere. Plus with the number of decks running sweepers quest is kind of a liability anyways. Dropping your hand to get the armor or batterskull out is pretty risky when everyone and their mom is running DoJ or pyroclasm.
Not to mention that Quest or one of the big equips would be about the worst possible topdecks for us. If you run a regular Tempered Steel build the worst late topdeck you can get is a land (or maybe a Tempered Steel after a board sweep).
I think its great youre making a primer but youre forgetting alot in the Straight white aggro version. Literally like 12 identical lists on TCG 4-0s. Here it is:
Auto 4 ofs are:
memnite
signal pest
overseer
spellskite (other lists I have seen 3)
vault skirge
inkmoth nexus
tempered steel
2/3
mox opal
The only thing I left out of the core build was Spellskite because it seems like people leave it out in favor of another aggro creature (although for the life of me I can't figure why). I did note that it is one of the cards that will go in nearly any build.
The only thing I left out of the core build was Spellskite because it seems like people leave it out in favor of another aggro creature (although for the life of me I can't figure why). I did note that it is one of the cards that will go in nearly any build.
Its pretty crucial to the build. he survives alot of wipe and also eats a bolt for other important creatures.
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Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
I pulled an Angelic Destiny at the Pre release along with Archon of Justice ended up makeing a B/W ctrl deck and placed 4th sweeping every game except 1 that card is verry powerfull but I cant see it working with our build it just slows our deck down (but i could be wrong)
Idols are insane, you realize that, right? They dodge wipes and other times of removal. You should always leave them in. its a 2/2 flying for 2 that reacts to the pumps in your deck. Glint hawk does not and is "cute" at best.
You are right. I was being dumb. I don't mean to say I was acting dumb, I mean to say trying to incorporate quest into this deck is dumb. Quest works because it has ways of cheating equips on to creatures. If you try to add quest to this deck you can't really justify adding white creatures that auto equip.
Long story short, my suggestion was dumb. This is not a quest deck for a reason.
Has anyone put thought towards Mortarpod being that final slot? Glint Hawk can bounce it after it's fired off it's germ and do it again.
Then you can use all your warm bodies as a finisher for those last couple of points.
I havent. I would just use contested war zone for that kind of damage and I do not run glink hawk in my build I go for the midrange WW verson. That verson seems solid and can easely do turn 4 wins aswell as mid game hero`s for the finisher.
Has anyone put thought towards Mortarpod being that final slot? Glint Hawk can bounce it after it's fired off it's germ and do it again.
Then you can use all your warm bodies as a finisher for those last couple of points.
This assumes we actually want to play Glint Hawk.
But anyways, it doesn't benefit from Tempered Steel or Steel Overseer and destroying an X/1 usually isn't relevant to us. If I wanted extra reach I would just play a W/r version and use Galvanic Blast.
I'm really goin' out on a limb here...but what about 2 Phyrexian Unlife in the SB as a pseudo-10 Life Gain against RDW/Vampires? It's something I would certainly be interested in trying out. Has anyone else experimented with the card? (In this deck, or others)
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PS: With the rewards I reaped from that 4-0, I've finally been able to add Spellskites to the board. So don't jump on me for that.
Congrats on makeing the 4-0 there I like the idea of preordain despite what anyone says getting to see your next 2 cards is vital after our explosive start in a match. That being said I have not tryed MTGO for 1 main reason and that reason leads me to asking you the question...... If i were to sign up how much would i dropp on makeing our kind of deck?? I am not so much worried about money there but spending money on cards that are online and not in my hands I.E. my main reason for not doing it (YET). Please tell me if i signed up rightnow what do i spend money wise on cards and is it rilly worth it?
think some of us are quite aware that hero of bladehold rocks on this deck. unfortunately, for me i can't feel her giving another big time blow on the enemy.
I'm running a decklist which aims to see the goal of this deck. "speed".
i wanna ask if hero of bladehold is better on the field than legionnaires with a tempered steel? or bladehold over GHI with a tempered steel? Sure she is strong but quite too slow. she can be removed easily. a 4cc creature on fourth turn can sometimes be annoying. next turn she could just be removed easily, while 2 porcelain legionnaires in 4th turn can be deadly enough for the enemy.
bladehold rocks when TMS is still legal,when there are a lot of control. but how about now? is hero of bladehold still viable in our deck? can she make it up for speed? wanna hear ur ideas.
think some of us are quite aware that hero of bladehold rocks on this deck. unfortunately, for me i can't feel her giving another big time blow on the enemy.
I'm running a decklist which aims to see the goal of this deck. "speed".
i wanna ask if hero of bladehold is better on the field than legionnaires with a tempered steel? or bladehold over GHI with a tempered steel? Sure she is strong but quite too slow. she can be removed easily. a 4cc creature on fourth turn can sometimes be annoying. next turn she could just be removed easily, while 2 porcelain legionnaires in 4th turn can be deadly enough for the enemy.
bladehold rocks when TMS is still legal,when there are a lot of control. but how about now? is hero of bladehold still viable in our deck? can she make it up for speed? wanna hear ur ideas.
My personel opinion would be yes hero deffinatly fits in our deck. Yes speed is the name of the game in this deck but her board presence mid game is devestating to a player even with removel because she is a ''take care of or die'' card. Porcelain Legionnaire is a nice card but with out tempered steel it is easely removed by alot of things by running a 3/4 it is alot harder and the activated abilitys of her with B-cry and tokens make it a 2 turn win most cases
I haven't had much luck with running Hero of Bladehold, as she's a pretty big target for whatever removal you're facing, and I've never seen her survive more than one attack. I have, on the other hand, had a lot of fun running Phyrexian Metamorph at the top end of the curve. In a control-heavy environment you'll get lots of fun targets for it, and responding to a 6/6 Titan with an 8/8 Titan of your own is so, so satisfying.
glint hawk allows alot more explosive starts...i run 4x tec edge and 2x contested warzone as opposed to inkmoth...swinging with a buffed flier for W is still really good imo but that is what i side out most of the time...i will probably switch the hawks for spellskite or mb shrine...or mb hero...hero has been a house for me lately.
That build also burns out really fast which is why were not seeing any lists MBing multiple warzones and glint hawks (non idol) topping. It doesnt translate to the mid range game well. Also if there is no 0 drop, you lose alot of power.
Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
Not to mention that Quest or one of the big equips would be about the worst possible topdecks for us. If you run a regular Tempered Steel build the worst late topdeck you can get is a land (or maybe a Tempered Steel after a board sweep).
Topdecking Tempered Steel with Inkmoth in play looks really good.
"You just tapped out to board wipe? k, I cast Steel and infect you for 3"
Yeah, also Glint Hawk Idol. Hence why I included the word "maybe"
The only thing I left out of the core build was Spellskite because it seems like people leave it out in favor of another aggro creature (although for the life of me I can't figure why). I did note that it is one of the cards that will go in nearly any build.
Modern:
UR Storm RU
RG Titanshift GR
MTGO: MrPajitnv (Yes I typo'd it)
Its pretty crucial to the build. he survives alot of wipe and also eats a bolt for other important creatures.
Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
And Angelic Destiny. I BE TROLLAN
"afaict"?
As far as I can tell?
You are right. I was being dumb. I don't mean to say I was acting dumb, I mean to say trying to incorporate quest into this deck is dumb. Quest works because it has ways of cheating equips on to creatures. If you try to add quest to this deck you can't really justify adding white creatures that auto equip.
Long story short, my suggestion was dumb. This is not a quest deck for a reason.
Then you can use all your warm bodies as a finisher for those last couple of points.
I havent. I would just use contested war zone for that kind of damage and I do not run glink hawk in my build I go for the midrange WW verson. That verson seems solid and can easely do turn 4 wins aswell as mid game hero`s for the finisher.
This assumes we actually want to play Glint Hawk.
But anyways, it doesn't benefit from Tempered Steel or Steel Overseer and destroying an X/1 usually isn't relevant to us. If I wanted extra reach I would just play a W/r version and use Galvanic Blast.
I'm firmly onboard with the Preordain plan. I've been having some success with it on MTGO.
Also, I don't know how much stock I'd put in those 4-0 decks from tcgplayer...do you know how easy it is to get up there? Heck, even I've done it.
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=872072
PS: With the rewards I reaped from that 4-0, I've finally been able to add Spellskites to the board. So don't jump on me for that.
Congrats on makeing the 4-0 there I like the idea of preordain despite what anyone says getting to see your next 2 cards is vital after our explosive start in a match. That being said I have not tryed MTGO for 1 main reason and that reason leads me to asking you the question...... If i were to sign up how much would i dropp on makeing our kind of deck?? I am not so much worried about money there but spending money on cards that are online and not in my hands I.E. my main reason for not doing it (YET). Please tell me if i signed up rightnow what do i spend money wise on cards and is it rilly worth it?
Turn 1 Origin Spellbomb
Turn 2 Glint Hawk Idol
Turn 3 Timely Reinforcements
Turn 4 Hero of Bladehold
lololol
Congrats! Until I read the last line I was going to say that. Also, pierce over dispatch in the mainboard?
Ill be running preordain this week. testing today with people for whether I want to run Origin Spellbomb or Legoinnaires.
I hope this is a joke too.
Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
lololol
I'm running a decklist which aims to see the goal of this deck. "speed".
i wanna ask if hero of bladehold is better on the field than legionnaires with a tempered steel? or bladehold over GHI with a tempered steel? Sure she is strong but quite too slow. she can be removed easily. a 4cc creature on fourth turn can sometimes be annoying. next turn she could just be removed easily, while 2 porcelain legionnaires in 4th turn can be deadly enough for the enemy.
bladehold rocks when TMS is still legal,when there are a lot of control. but how about now? is hero of bladehold still viable in our deck? can she make it up for speed? wanna hear ur ideas.
My personel opinion would be yes hero deffinatly fits in our deck. Yes speed is the name of the game in this deck but her board presence mid game is devestating to a player even with removel because she is a ''take care of or die'' card.
Porcelain Legionnaire is a nice card but with out tempered steel it is easely removed by alot of things by running a 3/4 it is alot harder and the activated abilitys of her with B-cry and tokens make it a 2 turn win most cases