So out of all of the new cards I just wasnt impressed by what green brought to infect. I was considering mono B for a bit but then I decided that I liked a few things that blue brought to the table too.
I like having the Tar Pits in here still as in a total stall game I might have to try to kill with them. They are great for taking out plainswalkers as well. I am only putting them as a 3x to reduce the amount of enters the battlefiend tapped lands I have. It also allowed me to bring my islands up one which increases the chances of my Drowned Catacombs to come in untapped.
I know the first thing I will hear is where is Jace??? Dont have any yet. We will see if I ever do.
I dont really want to run too much counterspelling magic as this is somewhat of a midrange agro still. Casting creatures gets in the way of keeping mana open to do things.
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There's two ways to go with UB Infect, as I see it.
Go with a low curve, featuing multiple artifact Infecters and New Tezz.
The other way, and the one I like more, play UB Control that happens to play a few Infectors -- Phyrexian Crusader, Skithiryx, Inkmoth Nexus, and Corrupted Conscience are all fine cards in such a deck.
Distortion Strike should be a staple in any U/B Infect deck I believe
I'm working on a UB Infect deck myself, throwing in some fun stuff like Neurok Invisimancer, been thinking of using Phyrexis/Tainted Strike to use on the Invisimancer and possibly Creeping Tarpits. Sticking Phyrexis/Tainted Strike on one of those two would make for a great finisher.
Phyrexis on Creeping Tarpit wouldn't be all that great though since the enchantment goes to the graveyard at EOT, but that's 3 poison unblocked if it doesn't get bolted or bladed or throated.
U/B Infect has the potential to be a beast. Imo, it's not the proliferate that is the key, but the sheer power of evasion. In a deck that only has to get 10 creature dmg in to win, evasion puts them on a clock in a hurry.
Hand of the Praetors - I can't see running Infect without him. Instant 4 of. Pseudo evasion putting poison counters simply by casting creatures with infect, plus the added benefit of +1/+1 to essentially every creature in the deck? Yes plz!
Ichor Rats - See Above. While definitely sided out for the mirror, against non-infect he shows up for 2 mana and you're 10% of the way there already.
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas - I know... I know... I see the u/b casting cost, and the potential 5/5 unblockable Plague Myr busting an opponent in the face, but I just don't think he really fits. Imo, you'd have to go Artifact heavy to really get the full benefit out of Ol' Tezzy, and I'm personally not feeling it. He's a 2 turn clock, and I definitely see the opportunity there, I just need more convincing
Phyrexian Crusader - First Strike + Infect = Win. The Pro Red/White is just an added bonus imo.
The Tezzy option does raise some possibilities though. There are a couple of Artifact Infect Creatures that come with value.
Ichorclaw Myr - How bad do you really want to block him? Take 1 poison counter, or lose a 3/3? I like making my opponent have to make choices like that.
Necropede - Gotta love the revenge from the grave action. So many ways that -1/-1 can be crippling, especially against Green Ramp. Again, forcing the opponent to decide.
Plague Myr - Eh. A 1/1 infect that provides mana, and a potential Tezzy target... but he's not really in the same league offensively as the others. He's like infect's own personal ramp.
Core Prowler 4 Mana for a 2/2 Infect, at first, I'm like... wtf... Oh yeah... but if he goes to the GY from play? Proliferate. So that's 3 Artifact Infectors that force my opponent to make a decision.
Hand of the Praetors and Phyrexian Crusader are both a must from Black.
Plague Stinger is really hard not to take for value, 1B for FLYING infect?
Going back to evasion... We've already mentioned Distortion Strike, which is a no brainer.
Bladed Pinions Flying + First Strike on Infect? Seems good.
Sword of Vengence So now your little Plague Myr just became a 7/5 First Strike (8/6 w/ the Hand), Trample, Vigilence, Haste, and has one ROCKING 401k. As awesome as that would be, though, it doesn't quite feel like it fits.
Ok admittedly, I got a little bit lazy on the lands, but this is off the top of my head here.
Inkmoth Nexus is an unbelievably powerful card in this deck. Gaining the benefit both from the Hands, and as a potential Tezzy target with built in evasion is too sweet.
Steady Progress - I dunno... I want it to work. 3 mana, Proliferate w/ a draw...
There are 10 potential targets for Tezzy to turn 5/5 (13 if you count the pinions, but that's just silly).
Evasion from Distortion Strike and Bladed Pinions.
Direct Poison Counters from Ichor Rats and Hand of the Praetors (2 for 1 when combined, weee!)
And of course a little bit of proliferate just to top it off.
That with Blue's Card Drawing/Scrying abilities to set up plays and the customary mana leaks...
It's got potential, but a board wipe would be crippling.
Gah... now you got my mind going... Poison Counters and Proliferate and what better evasion than out of combat counters?
Yeah, that's a 5 min toss-together... but essentially:
Hand of Praetor pushing poison counters simply for casting infect creatures, Ichor Rats pushing counters just for showing up, Core Prowlers proliferating when sacraficed to Geth, which proliferates again, Morbid Plunder to bring the infectors back to your hand.
Livewire Lash on Ichor Rats, which are unsummoned, pushing 2 counters, put back in play pushing another (plus any Hands out).
Ichor Wellspring for the card draw, sac to Geth to proliferate, and draw again.
I just dont see it in Hand of the Praetors. He automatically catches a kill spell in my meta meaning he is just a slow 4 mana guy who dies to any red burn. Vamps takes him out easy, goblins takes him out easy, and now u/b will be running Go for the Throat which takes him out also. Ya he is great if you plan on playing against mono green decks all day but he dies to literally every kill spell in standard right now. It also makes you attempt to play lots of small bad infectors which doesnt work so great in my opinion.
Phyrexian Vatmother on the other hand doesnt die to agro hate, or any of red's burn. While it hurts you a bit in a mirror match it also hits very hard and must be solved very fast or he will tear your opponents apart.
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas has no spot in infect currently. The only way I could see him making an appearance is if they ramp up the number of artifact infecters. There are a decent amount of them currently but not enought that I would want to make a deck based on Tezzy and artifact infecters.
The Distortion Strike might be a good call. I might need to up my number of creatures to run it though. I was going more for the tactic of strip them of their defenders with kill then swing through but distortion strike with a counterspell backup would be a good one too.
I tried to use the Ichor Rats and was just horribly unimpressed by them. Often I was playing against an agro deck where I would drop him and get the one poison counter then have to throw him into blocking a creature. With only one toughness, Lanowar Elf kills him sooooo I just cant make this guy impressive in my mind. Yes there is the proliferate way to go with poison but I would rather rely on good creatures to do most of the work and do the last 1-2 with proliferate.
One of the few creatures I would like to add to my list would probably be 2x Corpse Cur to rez and negate some of my opponents kill options.
I just dont see it in Hand of the Praetors. He automatically catches a kill spell in my meta meaning he is just a slow 4 mana guy who dies to any red burn. Vamps takes him out easy, goblins takes him out easy, and now u/b will be running Go for the Throat which takes him out also. Ya he is great if you plan on playing against mono green decks all day but he dies to literally every kill spell in standard right now. It also makes you attempt to play lots of small bad infectors which doesnt work so great in my opinion.
Phyrexian Vatmother on the other hand doesnt die to agro hate, or any of red's burn. While it hurts you a bit in a mirror match it also hits very hard and must be solved very fast or he will tear your opponents apart.
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas has no spot in infect currently. The only way I could see him making an appearance is if they ramp up the number of artifact infecters. There are a decent amount of them currently but not enought that I would want to make a deck based on Tezzy and artifact infecters.
The Distortion Strike might be a good call. I might need to up my number of creatures to run it though. I was going more for the tactic of strip them of their defenders with kill then swing through but distortion strike with a counterspell backup would be a good one too.
I tried to use the Ichor Rats and was just horribly unimpressed by them. Often I was playing against an agro deck where I would drop him and get the one poison counter then have to throw him into blocking a creature. With only one toughness, Lanowar Elf kills him sooooo I just cant make this guy impressive in my mind. Yes there is the proliferate way to go with poison but I would rather rely on good creatures to do most of the work and do the last 1-2 with proliferate.
One of the few creatures I would like to add to my list would probably be 2x Corpse Cur to rez and negate some of my opponents kill options.
Remember with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas that his second ability says: "Target artifact becomes a 5/5 artifact creature." This does not retain its original abilities IE infect so while yes you can have some beaters I believe they loose their infect. Thus Tezz has no place in infect
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Remember with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas that his second ability says: "Target artifact becomes a 5/5 artifact creature." This does not retain its original abilities IE infect so while yes you can have some beaters I believe they loose their infect. Thus Tezz has no place in infect
Actually, there is a clause in the rules that says something along the lines of: "Any permanent that 'becomes an artifact creature' retains all its abilities/stats."
Actually, there is a clause in the rules that says something along the lines of: "Any permanent that 'becomes an artifact creature' retains all its abilities/stats."
Let the Schennanegans Commence!
Interesting.... I was under the impression that it changed what it was entirely.
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I'm asking a judge and friend for verification on Tezzie's interaction with artifact infectors right now, but I what I do recall was that it was synergistic, not detrimental, with the target artifact's effects. For the sake of discussion, let's assume so.
If you're running Tezzie, you're running Hand.
Yeah, they're both four-mana cards, but note the interaction when you have both available. Either way, you'll be turning low-costing mid-game utility cards into dangerous threats - either by way of ETB triggers or because you're smashing them with a brute-force solution of a 5/5 infector. Even better, of course, if you have both on the field - then your opponent better have killspells.
I don't thinking "killspell bait" is necessarily a bad thing in aggro. Frankly, there isn't a single creature out there now that isn't vulnerable one way or another - even Vatmother's vulnerable to multiple Valakut triggers, and both it and Phyrexian Crusader'll die to Go for the Throat. Forcing them to expend spells on a single creature can be a good thing - it frees up the rest of your board, and they should have less kills than you have threats.
However, Tezzie/Hand is a very narrow build. Both of them demand a heavy support base - lots of 1-3cc creatures. Basically, running either means you're running a dedicated rush deck, whereas Vatmother and Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon leans you more towards midrange and control-type builds. Well, mid-range, actually - if you're running U/B Infect Control, I suggest ditching it and picking up a playset of Grave Titans instead.
Edit: Of course, Eldrazi don't count as creatures to that estimate. More like endgame hax. Hax, I tell you.
Interesting.... I was under the impression that it changed what it was entirely.
I'm digging arround the forums where I first saw it so I can find where exactly it is in the rules without reading the whole thing. I'll post the rule verbatim as soon as I find it.
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204.1b Some effects change an object's card type, supertype, or subtype but specify that the object retains a prior card type, supertype, or subtype. In such cases, all the object's prior card types, supertypes, and subtypes are retained. This rule applies to effects that use the phrase "in addition to its types" or that state that something is "still a [card type]." Some effects state that an object becomes an "artifact creature"; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes.
I'm asking a judge and friend for verification on Tezzie's interaction with artifact infectors right now, but I what I do recall was that it was synergistic, not detrimental, with the target artifact's effects. For the sake of discussion, let's assume so.
If you're running Tezzie, you're running Hand.
Yeah, they're both four-mana cards, but note the interaction when you have both available. Either way, you'll be turning low-costing mid-game utility cards into dangerous threats - either by way of ETB triggers or because you're smashing them with a brute-force solution of a 5/5 infector. Even better, of course, if you have both on the field - then your opponent better have killspells.
I don't thinking "killspell bait" is necessarily a bad thing in aggro. Frankly, there isn't a single creature out there now that isn't vulnerable one way or another - even Vatmother's vulnerable to multiple Valakut triggers, and both it and Phyrexian Crusader'll die to Go for the Throat. Forcing them to expend spells on a single creature can be a good thing - it frees up the rest of your board, and they should have less kills than you have threats.
However, Tezzie/Hand is a very narrow build. Both of them demand a heavy support base - lots of 1-3cc creatures. Basically, running either means you're running a dedicated rush deck, whereas Vatmother and Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon leans you more towards midrange and control-type builds. Well, mid-range, actually - if you're running U/B Infect Control, I suggest ditching it and picking up a playset of Grave Titans instead.
Edit: Of course, Eldrazi don't count as creatures to that estimate. More like endgame hax. Hax, I tell you.
Ya I could just run an all out U/B control deck but I dont find Titans to be fun at all to play. Infect looks like the new up and coming effect and I want to find some good ways to use it. Skittles actually stands up to Titans quite well as he can hit the same turn that your opponent is playing their titan.
I'm digging arround the forums where I first saw it so I can find where exactly it is in the rules without reading the whole thing. I'll post the rule verbatim as soon as I find it.
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Thanks for the clarification. I will have to correct my judge as I think I told him otherwise on this card.
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Er, note that keeping a card's type and subtype doesn't = keeping its abilities. It means that if an enchantment's been made into an artifact, it's an artifact enchantment.
Edit: Moot point. Got word back from the judge - an Infect creature targeted by Tezzie's second ability is still an infect creature. ie: Ichorclaw Myr just got a lot more dangerous.
Ya sounds like tezzy could be an interesting infect deck. Only downside is I would hate to build such a deck as I think it would be a very bad infect deck without him there. Meaning that a control player has only to counter / memerocide Tezzeret and you are sitting with gimp little creatures. I have a feeling that just running stronger infect creatures might be a better call over that.
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Ya sounds like tezzy could be an interesting infect deck. Only downside is I would hate to build such a deck as I think it would be a very bad infect deck without him there. Meaning that a control player has only to counter / memerocide Tezzeret and you are sitting with gimp little creatures. I have a feeling that just running stronger infect creatures might be a better call over that.
the asp may be replaced, but i think that single counter can make the difference, Tezzeret is the win con thus 4, and all our creatures are artifacts that can be sacrified to proliferate actively and even a second copy of throne of Geth doesn't hurt at all.
Depending on the Meta you may consider doom blade over Go for the troat
I am playing a variation of this at SCG Indy Open. I'm not too sure on the complete list yet, so I will be posting list and tourney results, regardless of record and place finish here so we have some tested data to work with.
I really think this deck is one of the ones that needs to fine tuned and can be a great potential deck.
Before besieged I made a u/b infect control deck it did OK with my meta which includes valakut, u/b control, ww quest, eldrazi ramp, boros, vamps, elves, and some rogues. Basically it did alright I do decent against u/b control, eldrazi, quests, and boros. I get rocked by a myr aggro beat down same with the elves. So any fast aggro deck I get handled. Valakut is possible but it's hard and sometimes the only way I win is if I get the perfect draw against them.
Tainted Strike on Creeping is such a fun combo that can end a game VERY fast.
Edit: Also still trying to figure out the sideboard atm
With new cards I'll defiantly be running a black sun zenith and virulent wound and go for the throat. Also please tell me not to run Big Jace I do not have the money to be buying 4 of him.
This is probably what i will play for u/b infect. I don't see a point to play Tezzy and play subpar artifacts in the deck just to accomodate it. Jace is better as it filters your draws and can unsummon creatures making your clock more lethal.
He is so man, he is mario, and I will tell my opponents such. As and when I bounce their permanent I will exclaim "MARIO" as though he were stomped on by our mighty Jace. Every time someone kill him I will give them 99 USD (not AUS!!!) because their lightning bolt should cost 100 DOLLARS...
Jace even made it into the Teenage Super Hero Mutant Ninja Hero Turtles.
I see a few lists running Plague Myr to accelerate into Vatmother. I'm all for the basic idea of rushing into a big fattie, but wouldn't Sphere of the Suns be a better option in case you don't have the two black mana you need? I mean, the myr's pretty fragile.
I don't think Tezz has any place in a UB infect deck unless you build around him like Borgua did. Even then, a slagstorm wipes your army away 99% of the time.
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Sea Gate Oracle
4 Phyrexian Vatmother
3 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
SPELLS (21)
4 Preordain
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Go for the Throat
2 Into the Roil
2 Mimic Vat
3 Consuming Vapors
2 Corrupted Conscience
4 Inkmoth Nexus
3 Creeping Tar Pit
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
5 Swamp
4 Island
4 Doomblade
3 Memoricide
4 Marsh Casualties
2 Duress
2 Corrupted Conscience
I like having the Tar Pits in here still as in a total stall game I might have to try to kill with them. They are great for taking out plainswalkers as well. I am only putting them as a 3x to reduce the amount of enters the battlefiend tapped lands I have. It also allowed me to bring my islands up one which increases the chances of my Drowned Catacombs to come in untapped.
I know the first thing I will hear is where is Jace??? Dont have any yet. We will see if I ever do.
I dont really want to run too much counterspelling magic as this is somewhat of a midrange agro still. Casting creatures gets in the way of keeping mana open to do things.
My other question is should I run the Go for the Throat mainboard with Doomblade in the side or Doomblade main with Go for the Throat in the side???
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Go with a low curve, featuing multiple artifact Infecters and New Tezz.
The other way, and the one I like more, play UB Control that happens to play a few Infectors -- Phyrexian Crusader, Skithiryx, Inkmoth Nexus, and Corrupted Conscience are all fine cards in such a deck.
Edit: Oh, hey, Modern is a format.
Distortion Strike should be a staple in any U/B Infect deck I believe
I'm working on a UB Infect deck myself, throwing in some fun stuff like Neurok Invisimancer, been thinking of using Phyrexis/Tainted Strike to use on the Invisimancer and possibly Creeping Tarpits. Sticking Phyrexis/Tainted Strike on one of those two would make for a great finisher.
Phyrexis on Creeping Tarpit wouldn't be all that great though since the enchantment goes to the graveyard at EOT, but that's 3 poison unblocked if it doesn't get bolted or bladed or throated.
4 Plague Myr
4 Necropede
4 Ichorclaw Myr
4 Ichor Rats
4 Hand of the Praetors
Planeswalker [3]
3 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Spells [15]
4 Distortion Strike
3 Mana Leak
4 Doom Blade
4 Preordain
4 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Soaring Seacliff
6 Swamp
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Tectonic Edge
3 Memoricide
4 Go for the Throat
Distortion Strike is just downright nasty.
Hand of the Praetors - I can't see running Infect without him. Instant 4 of. Pseudo evasion putting poison counters simply by casting creatures with infect, plus the added benefit of +1/+1 to essentially every creature in the deck? Yes plz!
Ichor Rats - See Above. While definitely sided out for the mirror, against non-infect he shows up for 2 mana and you're 10% of the way there already.
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas - I know... I know... I see the u/b casting cost, and the potential 5/5 unblockable Plague Myr busting an opponent in the face, but I just don't think he really fits. Imo, you'd have to go Artifact heavy to really get the full benefit out of Ol' Tezzy, and I'm personally not feeling it. He's a 2 turn clock, and I definitely see the opportunity there, I just need more convincing
Phyrexian Crusader - First Strike + Infect = Win. The Pro Red/White is just an added bonus imo.
The Tezzy option does raise some possibilities though. There are a couple of Artifact Infect Creatures that come with value.
Ichorclaw Myr - How bad do you really want to block him? Take 1 poison counter, or lose a 3/3? I like making my opponent have to make choices like that.
Necropede - Gotta love the revenge from the grave action. So many ways that -1/-1 can be crippling, especially against Green Ramp. Again, forcing the opponent to decide.
Plague Myr - Eh. A 1/1 infect that provides mana, and a potential Tezzy target... but he's not really in the same league offensively as the others. He's like infect's own personal ramp.
Core Prowler 4 Mana for a 2/2 Infect, at first, I'm like... wtf... Oh yeah... but if he goes to the GY from play? Proliferate. So that's 3 Artifact Infectors that force my opponent to make a decision.
Hand of the Praetors and Phyrexian Crusader are both a must from Black.
Plague Stinger is really hard not to take for value, 1B for FLYING infect?
Going back to evasion... We've already mentioned Distortion Strike, which is a no brainer.
Bladed Pinions Flying + First Strike on Infect? Seems good.
Sword of Vengence So now your little Plague Myr just became a 7/5 First Strike (8/6 w/ the Hand), Trample, Vigilence, Haste, and has one ROCKING 401k. As awesome as that would be, though, it doesn't quite feel like it fits.
Whispersilk Cloak - Possibly, but feels too slow.
Possibility:
4 Hand of the Praetors
3 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Ichor Rats
4 Ichorclaw Myr
2 Core Prowler
4 Distortion Strike
4 Preordain
3 Mana Leak
4 Steady Progress
3 Bladed Pinions
Planeswalker - 3
3 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Land - 22
4 Inkmoth Nexus
3 Halimar Depths
15 Lands to be named
Ok admittedly, I got a little bit lazy on the lands, but this is off the top of my head here.
Inkmoth Nexus is an unbelievably powerful card in this deck. Gaining the benefit both from the Hands, and as a potential Tezzy target with built in evasion is too sweet.
Steady Progress - I dunno... I want it to work. 3 mana, Proliferate w/ a draw...
There are 10 potential targets for Tezzy to turn 5/5 (13 if you count the pinions, but that's just silly).
Evasion from Distortion Strike and Bladed Pinions.
Direct Poison Counters from Ichor Rats and Hand of the Praetors (2 for 1 when combined, weee!)
And of course a little bit of proliferate just to top it off.
That with Blue's Card Drawing/Scrying abilities to set up plays and the customary mana leaks...
It's got potential, but a board wipe would be crippling.
Gah... now you got my mind going... Poison Counters and Proliferate and what better evasion than out of combat counters?
UBDirect InfectBU
4 Hand of the Praetors
4 Ichor Rats
4 Core Prowler
Artifacts
3 Livewire Lash
3 Throne of Geth
4 Ichor Wellspring
3 Unsummon
4 Preordain
3 Steady Progress
3 Morbid Plunder
3 Virulent Wound
4 Inkmoth Nexus
3 Halimar Depths
15 Other Lands blah blah
Yeah, that's a 5 min toss-together... but essentially:
Hand of Praetor pushing poison counters simply for casting infect creatures, Ichor Rats pushing counters just for showing up, Core Prowlers proliferating when sacraficed to Geth, which proliferates again, Morbid Plunder to bring the infectors back to your hand.
Livewire Lash on Ichor Rats, which are unsummoned, pushing 2 counters, put back in play pushing another (plus any Hands out).
Ichor Wellspring for the card draw, sac to Geth to proliferate, and draw again.
Oh it needs work... but it's a fun thought
Phyrexian Vatmother on the other hand doesnt die to agro hate, or any of red's burn. While it hurts you a bit in a mirror match it also hits very hard and must be solved very fast or he will tear your opponents apart.
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas has no spot in infect currently. The only way I could see him making an appearance is if they ramp up the number of artifact infecters. There are a decent amount of them currently but not enought that I would want to make a deck based on Tezzy and artifact infecters.
The Distortion Strike might be a good call. I might need to up my number of creatures to run it though. I was going more for the tactic of strip them of their defenders with kill then swing through but distortion strike with a counterspell backup would be a good one too.
I tried to use the Ichor Rats and was just horribly unimpressed by them. Often I was playing against an agro deck where I would drop him and get the one poison counter then have to throw him into blocking a creature. With only one toughness, Lanowar Elf kills him sooooo I just cant make this guy impressive in my mind. Yes there is the proliferate way to go with poison but I would rather rely on good creatures to do most of the work and do the last 1-2 with proliferate.
One of the few creatures I would like to add to my list would probably be 2x Corpse Cur to rez and negate some of my opponents kill options.
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Phyrexian Vatmother + Distortion Strike, sounds very good, more if you accel the mother to 3 turn with Plague Myr
Sit behind a counterspell turn 4 as you swing with a distortion Strike on the Vatmother. Om Nom Nom
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Actually, there is a clause in the rules that says something along the lines of: "Any permanent that 'becomes an artifact creature' retains all its abilities/stats."
Let the Schennanegans Commence!
Interesting.... I was under the impression that it changed what it was entirely.
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If you're running Tezzie, you're running Hand.
Yeah, they're both four-mana cards, but note the interaction when you have both available. Either way, you'll be turning low-costing mid-game utility cards into dangerous threats - either by way of ETB triggers or because you're smashing them with a brute-force solution of a 5/5 infector. Even better, of course, if you have both on the field - then your opponent better have killspells.
I don't thinking "killspell bait" is necessarily a bad thing in aggro. Frankly, there isn't a single creature out there now that isn't vulnerable one way or another - even Vatmother's vulnerable to multiple Valakut triggers, and both it and Phyrexian Crusader'll die to Go for the Throat. Forcing them to expend spells on a single creature can be a good thing - it frees up the rest of your board, and they should have less kills than you have threats.
However, Tezzie/Hand is a very narrow build. Both of them demand a heavy support base - lots of 1-3cc creatures. Basically, running either means you're running a dedicated rush deck, whereas Vatmother and Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon leans you more towards midrange and control-type builds. Well, mid-range, actually - if you're running U/B Infect Control, I suggest ditching it and picking up a playset of Grave Titans instead.
Edit: Of course, Eldrazi don't count as creatures to that estimate. More like endgame hax. Hax, I tell you.
I'm digging arround the forums where I first saw it so I can find where exactly it is in the rules without reading the whole thing. I'll post the rule verbatim as soon as I find it.
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Found it.
Ya I could just run an all out U/B control deck but I dont find Titans to be fun at all to play. Infect looks like the new up and coming effect and I want to find some good ways to use it. Skittles actually stands up to Titans quite well as he can hit the same turn that your opponent is playing their titan.
Thanks for the clarification. I will have to correct my judge as I think I told him otherwise on this card.
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Edit: Moot point. Got word back from the judge - an Infect creature targeted by Tezzie's second ability is still an infect creature. ie: Ichorclaw Myr just got a lot more dangerous.
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That's exactly why I'm saying you need to run Hand of the Praetors if you're running Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas.
Edit: Here's what I think a midrange version'd look like.
4 Phyrexian Vatmother
4 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
4 Phyrexian Crusader
Artifacts [4]
4 Sphere of the Suns
Spells [20]
4 Distortion Strike
4 Mana Leak
3 Doom Blade
1 Go for the Throat
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Preordain
4 Soaring Seacliff
4 Halimar Depths
4 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Swamp
4 Virulent Wound
4 Tectonic Edge
3 Go for the Throat
3 Memoricide
1 Doom Blade
4 Ichorclaw Myr
3 Core Prowler
4 Plague Myr
4 Necropede
4 Vector asp
3 Contagion Clasp
3 Go for the throat
3 Distortion Strike
3 Preordain
4 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Lands 22
4 Inkmoth Nexus
18 lands
the asp may be replaced, but i think that single counter can make the difference, Tezzeret is the win con thus 4, and all our creatures are artifacts that can be sacrified to proliferate actively and even a second copy of throne of Geth doesn't hurt at all.
Depending on the Meta you may consider doom blade over Go for the troat
Hope you like it
I really think this deck is one of the ones that needs to fine tuned and can be a great potential deck.
4 Plague Stinger
3 Ichor Rats
3 Hand of the Preator
2 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
Instants/Sorcery (22)
4 Distortion Strike
4 Mana Leak
4 Doom Blade
2 Preordain
2 Consume the Meek
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Tainted Strike
4 Creeping Tar Pit
3 Darkslick Shores
3 Drowned Catacomb
4 Halimar Depths
8 Swamp
4 Island
4 Memoricide
2 Consume the Meek
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Duress
3 Spell Pierce
Tainted Strike on Creeping is such a fun combo that can end a game VERY fast.
Edit: Also still trying to figure out the sideboard atm
With new cards I'll defiantly be running a black sun zenith and virulent wound and go for the throat. Also please tell me not to run Big Jace I do not have the money to be buying 4 of him.
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Island
5 Swamp
2 Into the Roil
4 Go for the throat
4 Preordain
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Core Prowler
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Plague Myr
4 Phyrexian Vatmother
UBDirect InfectBU
4 Ichorclaw Myr
4 Hand of the Praetors
3 Plague Stinger
3 Phyrexian Vatmother
2 Plague Myr
3 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Spells
4 Distortion Strike
3 Go for the Throat
4 Preordain
3 Morbid Plunder
3 Bladed Pinions
3 Flight Spellbomb
Land
4 Inkmoth Nexus
3 Drowned Catacombs
6 Island
8 Swamp
grim discovery >>> morbid plunder, especially if you can run the tectonics MD.
Standard:
Retired.
Modern:
Blitzhelix! RW
EDH (1v1): I am a jerk! RG
Tiny Leaders (1v1): BURN! R
I don't think Tezz has any place in a UB infect deck unless you build around him like Borgua did. Even then, a slagstorm wipes your army away 99% of the time.
Here's my pre-besieged UB infect list:
4 Ichorclaw Myr
4 Plague Stinger
4 Necropede
4 Ichor Rats
4 Hand of the Praetors
4 Distortion Strike
4 Duress
4 Mana Leak
4 Preordain
Now after:
4 Phyrexian Vatmother
4 Necropede
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Distortion Strike
4 Duress
4 Mana Leak
4 Doom Blade (will replace with Go for the Throat soon, I think)
4 Sphere of the Suns
4 Flight Spellbomb
The new one needs testing, obviously, but it should be fun.