All SFM does is gets you the sword, she's just a 1/2. You don't need to deal with her, you just need to deal with the sword. Any artifact destruction spell works.
All SFM does is gets you the sword, she's just a 1/2. You don't need to deal with her, you just need to deal with the sword. Any artifact destruction spell works.
The deck as a whole is so resilient to any sort of meta hate. It has the tools available to adapt to what it was weak to the week before. Tumble Magnet is the prime example of this. This card was limited jank before Caw, and now it is hot tech in all of the caw lists because it can stop sworded guys.
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The deck as a whole is so resilient to any sort of meta hate. It has the tools available to adapt to what it was weak to the week before. Tumble Magnet is the prime example of this. This card was limited jank before Caw, and now it is hot tech in all of the caw lists because it can stop sworded guys.
It is very resilient, I have been happy to see so much RDW breaking into the top 8 because they can destroy cawblade so easily, but looks like it didn't happen this time.
As for Sun Titan, yes if you pay 6 mana you deserve to get your sword back. I could put him in my deck as well, but that wouldn't make it any good... Only caw-blade can abuse Stoneforge Mystic enough to make her seem "broken."
I'd assume that'd be countered because it is a sorcery and SoFaF untaps all their lands.
I think it depends if you've gotten hit with a sword already then prob. If you can prevent the sword hit then it'd you're artifact removal can matter. I'm not saying sit there do nothing get hit with a sword and then try to deal with a sword.
All the best players are playing Caw-Blade. It is not a surprise it dominates top 8s. Not because it is insanely broken and something needs done about it. It is because the best players are playing what they feel (and rightfully so) is the best deck right now. This isn't to say it is infallible as everyone knows that Caw-Blade decks can't even deal with VV decks. It's just a rock-paper-scissors game, and the pros have chosen scissors to beat out the rock (Primeval) and not enough people are playing scissors to balance it out. Honestly. But that isn't to say the best deck needs pieces removed/banned.
The problem is when you just aim for the swords, you get plowed by Gideon and Jace.
Cawgo is just extremely resilient and consistent. You can get a small jump on them by responding to the equip, but you need to take advantage of that before they connect once with the sword and make it all back. This is definitely a Rock-Paper-Scissors type standard. Cawblade > Valakut > Midrange/Green Aggro >Cawblade. Boros and RDW can take on anything, they just need to fight through the hate and not just scoop to double Firewalker or Gideon.
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The problem is when you just aim for the swords, you get plowed by Gideon and Jace.
Cawgo is just extremely resilient and consistent. You can get a small jump on them by responding to the equip, but you need to take advantage of that before they connect once with the sword and make it all back. This is definitely a Rock-Paper-Scissors type standard. Cawblade > Valakut > Midrange/Green Aggro >Cawblade. Boros and RDW can take on anything, they just need to fight through the hate and not just scoop to double Firewalker or Gideon.
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Boros and RDw can't fight through anything. You can play artifact hate/hand disruption/ counter spells. If you're not playing green or black creatures you can normally chump the sworded guy. Or stall them out with TM's. As for the PW they've always been heard on a lot of decks but once again hand dirsuption / counter spells can deal with them. So if you want to be able to keep up with them I'd suggest being in colors that provide you answers. If you aren't then I wouldn't complain too many because you're not playing too serious and that stuff shouldn't matter to you.
I honestly don't play RDW/Boros/KRed. I think its completely outclassed by pretty much the rest of the meta. I meant that those decks steal wins and can be quick enough and punish people if, 1) They're not prepared for them and 2) If they keep a bad hand/don't mulligan aggressively.
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If you ban Jace all you'll be playing against Valakut every game. That would be much more fun, wouldn't it?
Actually I'd much rather have valakut as the top deck because all you have to do than is just board in Tectonic Edge and Spreading Seas, into any u/w deck and laugh. Or if your mono black Tectonic Edge + Whatever the black spreading seas was that made you lose life every time you tapped it.
Actually I'd much rather have valakut as the top deck because all you have to do than is just board in Tectonic Edge and Spreading Seas, into any u/w deck and laugh. Or if your mono black Tectonic Edge + Whatever the black spreading seas was that made you lose life every time you tapped it.
if you're playing black sadistic is a great sideboard option.
Actually I'd much rather have valakut as the top deck because all you have to do than is just board in Tectonic Edge and Spreading Seas, into any u/w deck and laugh. Or if your mono black Tectonic Edge + Whatever the black spreading seas was that made you lose life every time you tapped it.
Except that when Valakut was the top deck before MBS that didn't work at all.
Except that when Valakut was the top deck before MBS that didn't work at all.
Umm were you watching the same meta I was? Cause it seemed to hose the deck pretty good in U/W and RUG. A turn two Spreading Seas on a valakut player's forest was a HUUUUGEEE set back.
As for the PW they've always been heard on a lot of decks but once again hand dirsuption / counter spells can deal with them. So if you want to be able to keep up with them I'd suggest being in colors that provide you answers. If you aren't then I wouldn't complain too many because you're not playing too serious and that stuff shouldn't matter to you.
If you want to answer Planeswalkers such as Jace or Gideon, play colors that provide answers like counterspells and hand disruption. Meaning, play Blue and Black. Okay, let's try it out.
If you want to answer planeswalkers like Jace or Gideon, quit crying and start rolling with Mana Leak. Hey, while you're at it and you're playing blue, why not play some Jace? I hear he's good AND he can kill opposing Jaces. We're already playing Blue for counters so it's easy on the mana. Hm, what can we add to Blue... OH! White! Allied color, tons of dual lands for that. The Hawk/Mystic/Equipment package can easily graft onto our Blue-based anti-Planeswalker build featuring Jace. Plus, now we can play Gideon, who is a good card AND he can kill opposing Gideons. Now we've got a deck based around defeating overpowered planeswalkers via counterspells and our own copies of these OP walkers (and their functionality is a nice bonus!), with a potent white-based equipment package on the side.
If this anti-Planeswalker UW deck with a Hawk/Mystic/Equipment package isn't strong enough, we can dip into black, as pointed out, for hand disruption.
If you want to answer Planeswalkers such as Jace or Gideon, play colors that provide answers like counterspells and hand disruption. Meaning, play Blue and Black. Okay, let's try it out.
If you want to answer planeswalkers like Jace or Gideon, quit crying and start rolling with Mana Leak. Hey, while you're at it and you're playing blue, why not play some Jace? I hear he's good AND he can kill opposing Jaces. We're already playing Blue for counters so it's easy on the mana. Hm, what can we add to Blue... OH! White! Allied color, tons of dual lands for that. The Hawk/Mystic/Equipment package can easily graft onto our Blue-based anti-Planeswalker build featuring Jace. Plus, now we can play Gideon, who is a good card AND he can kill opposing Gideons. Now we've got a deck based around defeating overpowered planeswalkers via counterspells and our own copies of these OP walkers (and their functionality is a nice bonus!), with a potent white-based equipment package on the side.
If this anti-Planeswalker UW deck with a Hawk/Mystic/Equipment package isn't strong enough, we can dip into black, as pointed out, for hand disruption.
In other words: Caw-Blade or Caw-Blade w/ black.
Healthy format, healthy game, etc.
if you don't like it you can always quit.
Either you play the best cards or you find answers to deal with them. Whether that is IDK. But do w/e complaining gets you no where.
Guys, this isn't Affinity. Jace is a powerful draw engine, yeah, but he's not broken the same way a 1-mana Thoughtcast was, or the way a 15/2 Ornithopter was, or the way a 0 mana 2/2 was. Jace isn't the problem. Yes, he's good, yes, he's too strong, but take out Jace, and the decks are still strong. Less so, maybe, but still strong.
Guys, this isn't Affinity. Jace is a powerful draw engine, yeah, but he's not broken the same way a 1-mana Thoughtcast was, or the way a 15/2 Ornithopter was, or the way a 0 mana 2/2 was. Jace isn't the problem. Yes, he's good, yes, he's too strong, but take out Jace, and the decks are still strong. Less so, maybe, but still strong.
I'd rather play 56 swamps and 4 jace. than caw go with out jace.
That's kind of the problem. WotC doesn't want players to quit, so they ban cards when formats reach a certain level of degeneracy. They even ban cards when they are not directly making money from the format (as seen in legacy.)
Either you play the best cards or you find answers to deal with them. Whether that is IDK. But do w/e complaining gets you no where.
You do realize the post you made this in response to outlined the very problem with your "quit crying and play answers" response?
The best answers are counterspells, hand disruption and legend-ruling opposing planeswalkers. I very vividly described how you can take this approach, seek to build anti-Walker.dec and you ultimately wind up with Caw-Blade.
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Sun Titan says hello.
The deck as a whole is so resilient to any sort of meta hate. It has the tools available to adapt to what it was weak to the week before. Tumble Magnet is the prime example of this. This card was limited jank before Caw, and now it is hot tech in all of the caw lists because it can stop sworded guys.
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It is very resilient, I have been happy to see so much RDW breaking into the top 8 because they can destroy cawblade so easily, but looks like it didn't happen this time.
As for Sun Titan, yes if you pay 6 mana you deserve to get your sword back. I could put him in my deck as well, but that wouldn't make it any good... Only caw-blade can abuse Stoneforge Mystic enough to make her seem "broken."
I'd assume that'd be countered because it is a sorcery and SoFaF untaps all their lands.
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I think it depends if you've gotten hit with a sword already then prob. If you can prevent the sword hit then it'd you're artifact removal can matter. I'm not saying sit there do nothing get hit with a sword and then try to deal with a sword.
The problem is when you just aim for the swords, you get plowed by Gideon and Jace.
Cawgo is just extremely resilient and consistent. You can get a small jump on them by responding to the equip, but you need to take advantage of that before they connect once with the sword and make it all back. This is definitely a Rock-Paper-Scissors type standard. Cawblade > Valakut > Midrange/Green Aggro >Cawblade. Boros and RDW can take on anything, they just need to fight through the hate and not just scoop to double Firewalker or Gideon.
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Boros and RDw can't fight through anything. You can play artifact hate/hand disruption/ counter spells. If you're not playing green or black creatures you can normally chump the sworded guy. Or stall them out with TM's. As for the PW they've always been heard on a lot of decks but once again hand dirsuption / counter spells can deal with them. So if you want to be able to keep up with them I'd suggest being in colors that provide you answers. If you aren't then I wouldn't complain too many because you're not playing too serious and that stuff shouldn't matter to you.
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Actually I'd much rather have valakut as the top deck because all you have to do than is just board in Tectonic Edge and Spreading Seas, into any u/w deck and laugh. Or if your mono black Tectonic Edge + Whatever the black spreading seas was that made you lose life every time you tapped it.
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WUW/U HumansUW
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WBW/B TokensBW
if you're playing black sadistic is a great sideboard option.
Except that when Valakut was the top deck before MBS that didn't work at all.
Umm were you watching the same meta I was? Cause it seemed to hose the deck pretty good in U/W and RUG. A turn two Spreading Seas on a valakut player's forest was a HUUUUGEEE set back.
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Explaining why Blue/Black control won Worlds using that exact strategy.
If you want to answer Planeswalkers such as Jace or Gideon, play colors that provide answers like counterspells and hand disruption. Meaning, play Blue and Black. Okay, let's try it out.
If you want to answer planeswalkers like Jace or Gideon, quit crying and start rolling with Mana Leak. Hey, while you're at it and you're playing blue, why not play some Jace? I hear he's good AND he can kill opposing Jaces. We're already playing Blue for counters so it's easy on the mana. Hm, what can we add to Blue... OH! White! Allied color, tons of dual lands for that. The Hawk/Mystic/Equipment package can easily graft onto our Blue-based anti-Planeswalker build featuring Jace. Plus, now we can play Gideon, who is a good card AND he can kill opposing Gideons. Now we've got a deck based around defeating overpowered planeswalkers via counterspells and our own copies of these OP walkers (and their functionality is a nice bonus!), with a potent white-based equipment package on the side.
If this anti-Planeswalker UW deck with a Hawk/Mystic/Equipment package isn't strong enough, we can dip into black, as pointed out, for hand disruption.
In other words: Caw-Blade or Caw-Blade w/ black.
Healthy format, healthy game, etc.
if you don't like it you can always quit.
Either you play the best cards or you find answers to deal with them. Whether that is IDK. But do w/e complaining gets you no where.
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I'd rather play 56 swamps and 4 jace. than caw go with out jace.
That's kind of the problem. WotC doesn't want players to quit, so they ban cards when formats reach a certain level of degeneracy. They even ban cards when they are not directly making money from the format (as seen in legacy.)
So I'm correct in my criticism, is what you're saying.
This sort of mindset is terrible: if you have a valid complaint and find something bad, you can quit.
You do realize the post you made this in response to outlined the very problem with your "quit crying and play answers" response?
The best answers are counterspells, hand disruption and legend-ruling opposing planeswalkers. I very vividly described how you can take this approach, seek to build anti-Walker.dec and you ultimately wind up with Caw-Blade.