Basically add Manglehorn and Dissenter's Deliverance. I can try them at some proxy testing this week, but I don't have enough experience with the deck to be a great tester. Anybody see any other pickups? New Nissa seems cool, but basically a durdle.
So, if Saheeli gets banned tomorrow, the deck is obviously DOA, but that feels a bit unlikely, so let's assume that she stays, and Felidar Guardian takes the hit instead (making my GW cat deck sad). What is the future of Saheeli twin w/o the combo?
So, if Saheeli gets banned tomorrow, the deck is obviously DOA, but that feels a bit unlikely, so let's assume that she stays, and Felidar Guardian takes the hit instead (making my GW cat deck sad). What is the future of Saheeli twin w/o the combo?
Deck is dead without either half of the combo bc with one half gone, the other half just becomes an inefficient use of deck space compared to a more independently powerful card
If the ban doesn't happen just play this. I haven't played this archetype in a little while but I am locking in on it for SCGATL with a key inclusion if the deck doesn't get banned:
Still working out the #s on new Nissa, but the main reason why this archetype will (imo) approach Caw-Blade dominance if untouched is Glorybringer. Glorybringer is a very good fair card that becomes obscene if you can overcome its Exert drawback. Felidar Guardian blinking it does exactly that - since it has haste, summoning sickness doesn't matter, which means that blinking it is tantamount to untapping it, negating the drawback of Exert. Saheeli Rai just makes a copy of it, making her -2 amount to a bigger, always-on Searing Blaze. The copy doesn't care about Exert since it disappears EOT anyway, so by alternating Glorybringer and an active Saheeli you can effectively build your own drawback-less Glorybringer.
Glorybringer also increases the deck's removal density, which was the one issue it faced occasionally, and especially improves its ability to take out active planeswalkers. Cast Out, another subtle, key addition, does this as well. On a related note, Cast Out is great, will be everywhere, and thereby makes Nahiri, the Harbinger a more attractive maindeck card (which is big news since she was already plausibly maindeckable anyway). The -2 is also marginally more likely to matter as actual creature removal in a Constructed environment with Exert.
I think the new Nissa is probably really good in the deck too, but I haven't drawn her enough to test yet. Really haven't played many games of this deck at all yet tbh, but I'm already sold on power level. The real question is whether or not she's better than Tamiyo, who is more likely to be very valuable early on, when the more aggressive decks come out to play.
So, if Saheeli gets banned tomorrow, the deck is obviously DOA, but that feels a bit unlikely, so let's assume that she stays, and Felidar Guardian takes the hit instead (making my GW cat deck sad). What is the future of Saheeli twin w/o the combo?
If either get banned I'm planning to just move to a temur a build with 4 Nissan. Tons of 2-3 drop good creatures.
tbh, this was obviously coming at some point. You can argue whether or not you feel it is warranted or not, but in the end you can not deny just how much power the deck had and how it turned many away from standard
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Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
when is the next banned?
It's next monday. Sure hope where ok..
Basically add Manglehorn and Dissenter's Deliverance. I can try them at some proxy testing this week, but I don't have enough experience with the deck to be a great tester. Anybody see any other pickups? New Nissa seems cool, but basically a durdle.
RNA Standard: Grixis Midrange, Jund Deathwhirler, Sultai Vannifar
GRN Standard: Red Midrange, Mono-Blue Tempo, Wr Aggro, Gruul Experimental Dinosaurs, Sultai Midrange, Jeskai Midrange
Modern: Bant Spirits
Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.
Deck is dead without either half of the combo bc with one half gone, the other half just becomes an inefficient use of deck space compared to a more independently powerful card
If the ban doesn't happen just play this. I haven't played this archetype in a little while but I am locking in on it for SCGATL with a key inclusion if the deck doesn't get banned:
4 Servant of the Conduit
2 Channeler Initiate
4 Felidar Guardian
4 Glorybringer
3 Whirler Virtuoso
Planeswalkers (7)
4 Saheeli Rai
2 Nahiri, the Harbinger
1 Nissa, Steward of Elements
Enchantments (6)
3 Oath of Nissa
2 Cast Out
1 Oath of Chandra
4 Harnessed Lightning
Sorceries (4)
4 Attune with Aether
Lands (22)
4 Aether Hub
4 Botanical Sanctum
2 Spirebluff Canal
2 Inspiring Vantage
1 Game Trail
5 Forest
2 Mountain
1 Island
1 Plains
3 Manglehorn
2 Walking Ballista
1 Authority of the Consuls
1 Oath of Chandra
2 Radiant Flames
2 Tireless Tracker
2 Bristling Hydra
1 Tamiyo, Field Researcher
1 Baral's Expertise
Still working out the #s on new Nissa, but the main reason why this archetype will (imo) approach Caw-Blade dominance if untouched is Glorybringer. Glorybringer is a very good fair card that becomes obscene if you can overcome its Exert drawback. Felidar Guardian blinking it does exactly that - since it has haste, summoning sickness doesn't matter, which means that blinking it is tantamount to untapping it, negating the drawback of Exert. Saheeli Rai just makes a copy of it, making her -2 amount to a bigger, always-on Searing Blaze. The copy doesn't care about Exert since it disappears EOT anyway, so by alternating Glorybringer and an active Saheeli you can effectively build your own drawback-less Glorybringer.
Glorybringer also increases the deck's removal density, which was the one issue it faced occasionally, and especially improves its ability to take out active planeswalkers. Cast Out, another subtle, key addition, does this as well. On a related note, Cast Out is great, will be everywhere, and thereby makes Nahiri, the Harbinger a more attractive maindeck card (which is big news since she was already plausibly maindeckable anyway). The -2 is also marginally more likely to matter as actual creature removal in a Constructed environment with Exert.
I think the new Nissa is probably really good in the deck too, but I haven't drawn her enough to test yet. Really haven't played many games of this deck at all yet tbh, but I'm already sold on power level. The real question is whether or not she's better than Tamiyo, who is more likely to be very valuable early on, when the more aggressive decks come out to play.
GW ~ Angels ~ WG
Modern:
RBW ~ Shadowmancer ~ WBR
Legacy:
BUG ~ Shadow Delver ~ GUB
If either get banned I'm planning to just move to a temur a build with 4 Nissan. Tons of 2-3 drop good creatures.
Blows up vehicle pieces, nukes Cat Combo, blows up Tower. Just seems really strong.
I've been running 4 Virtuoso and 4 Rogue Refiner, thinking of going to 3 and 3.
New Nissa is stupid when she sticks. Scry 2, pass, untap, put Saheeli into play, GG.
But Temur or 4 color midrange/control is still a great deck IMO. I think I'm actually now keen on playing this deck minus the combo.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans