went 4-0 last night with this deck and dropped all but 1 game. Crushed the mirror, and drew well all night. Sure maybe skill has a lot to do with those wins, or maybe the deck is just an efficient machine that out grinds most decks in standard. I didn't feel like I was dog in any match ups, the only decks I think are "close" are Spirits and B/W Angels. Even then if you leverage the amount of CA the deck offers and you play to your outs you are always in the game.
24 in store credit and a clean sweep? I don't like the deck, but if it wins me as much as it has in the week, well I'll play it. 3rd at a win a box and 1st at the casual event? If you can't beat them, join them. That sucks, PT starts in a few hours, fingers crossed the meta needs more diversity.
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Went 3-0 tonight, against Abzan Control, Mono-Red Madness, and the mirror (with an awful sideboard). I upped my land count to 26 and got my two drops up to 12, and while it was a short tournament, I felt like I had generally stronger keeps. Being able to play more creatures to pressure them runs out their removal so that a Tireless Tracker or Eldrazi Displacer can eventually just out-advantage your opponent. The Abzan player made some play mistakes because of his misunderstanding of an interaction, and the Bant mirror sided literally all 15 cards to be playing basically Bant midrange (and it wasn't great). So the games themselves were mostly irrelevant, but the opening hands looked great and played very well. FNM tomorrow night and Regionals the next day.
I finally packed a Tamiyo, so she'll be a 1-of in my sideboard tomorrow, and I'm going to try her alongside a Kiora, Master of the Depths. Her +1 ability can help fight through a Thalia, and the -2 is a good restock.
I have just switched over from Bant Humans to Bant Company and am getting ready for Game Day, but what 12 2-drops are you running?
The two drops typically run in Bant Company are Sylvan Advocate, Duskwatch Recruiter, Lambholt Pacifist, and Selfless Spirit. Advocate is a 4-of, Duskwatch used to be a 4-of but I've seen many lists recently running 3, Pacifist is usually in the sideboard (quantity varies), and Spirit as a 3-of or 4-of as a newer main deck inclusion.
Curious on thoughts of the displacer version vs non-displacer version. My meta for game day will probably involve some very fast human decks and some GB or BW control decks as my main challengers, I am really not expecting the mirror. Right now I am running no displacers but I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts on why I should include them if I don't expect the mirror.
Curious on thoughts of the displacer version vs non-displacer version. My meta for game day will probably involve some very fast human decks and some GB or BW control decks as my main challengers, I am really not expecting the mirror. Right now I am running no displacers but I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts on why I should include them if I don't expect the mirror.
Displacer is an excellent addition against most archetypes, excepting only that it strains the mana base a bit. Against aggro decks, it's not as good as some other creatures, but a 3/3 for 3 is a decent rate, and the blinking ability is something they now have to play around. I've won many games because the opponent either can't deal with Displacer or neglected to respect the blinking. I love it when they cast a pump spell or Aura on their creature, and I blink their creature before combat damage or blink my Reflector Mage. There are some games, though, where I don't play it until T6 to ensure I can cast and then blink same turn to ensure I get value from it.
Also, blinking an opponent's Spell Queller when they cast a spell is just absurd.
I am at work so I can't actually confirm but it seems right. As I said, this is more geared toward the specific meta I am expecting. I no doubt see the value in displacer but I just don't know how stable the mana base is with it and I am more concerned about stumbling against an aggro deck because of it. The deck is so absurdly powerful even without displacer that I am not sure the inconsistency is worth the extra power. Now if I was expecting the mirror it would be a different story.
I have just switched over from Bant Humans to Bant Company and am getting ready for Game Day, but what 12 2-drops are you running?
Last night, I ran 4 Advocate, 3 Recruiter, 3 Selfless Spirit, and 2 Lambholt Pacifist. I'm going to take out a Recruiter for a miser's Jace, VP. I can agree with the arguments against Pacifist main, but it brick walls opposing Advocates, as well as forces control to do something turn 2/3.
As for Displacer, I haven't found the mana base changes to hurt much, but I'm also on 26 lands. Even if he doesn't have an immediate impact on the board, considering all the possibilities Displacer opens up (Reflector, Avacyn, Queller), he's a must-answer. He's basically an engine like Tracker, but works with what you have already. I also like, with Displacer in the deck, playing Queller aggressively eot without countering anything, since Displacer can get me that value later.
Displacer is a magnet for removal, as untapping with it can wreck an opponents board state. My meta is shifting to g/b delirium decks and this was before the PT. players were astute enough to realize that lili backed by grasps and languish were a winning combination. Add Emmy and the deck can clearly go over the top. Selfless spirit gets worse and I can see going down to 3 like lsv had in his list. The elements of the deck that were lost early on , Jace and nissa should make a comeback now. I can even see going up to 3 dec in stone in the sb to combat clogged board states.
Tamiyo seemed absolutely bonkers on camera and she went a long way in giving lsv a chance against Rubin in that match. He still lost to Emmy but drawing triple traverse was brutal.
If it's true that g/b becomes the go to control deck than a Krasis gets way better off coco.
BG honestly seems like it could be a good matchup if we sideboard right. Tamiyo seems great (it might just be LSV though), and Tragic Arrogance is a great answer to Ishkanah IMO.
zombies is a rough match up G1. The recursion and ETB graveyard trigger makes reflector mage meh in the match up. Pariah is a beating, i feel like this is he deck where exiling things really matters. Bant's strength is it's ability to out tempo other midrange decks and tax control decks via instant speed threats. The zombie deck generates so many zombies it makes it hard to get through on the ground. It's a case to keep the spirits in the deck, Avacyn and self spirit combo well here. The night I went 4-0 I beat a go wide a zombie deck by top decking the spirit and sac'ing him to wrath the board. It was a 8 for 1 at that point, and I had a CoCo in hand. G1 he steam rolled me.
NOTE: had I not topped decked the Selfless Spirit, I was SUPA dead. SUPER SUPA KO.
not having queller is rough, the flying provides evasion and can lock opponents out of doing anything meaningful T1-4.
The older Lists were very good, and Krasis was a mainstay in those lists. I'd be worried about the mirror and stopping certain cards from resolving. The benefit of using Krasis is the tempo play, tap down ability and access to more jace's and nissa's.
I'd test it out first, Queller is good, but I don't think he's insane. Reflector mage is insane. R Mage timewalked Reid duke on coverage at the PT and helped him fight through Emrakul's in 2 matches.
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A Flayer version that can quickly get to sculpting their draws is scary, but I think the Flayer version is significantly worse than list that don't include it. I think Bant is already running a lot good answers in the stock list to boot. I think a Void Grafter or two would be good and could work in some other match ups.
If you're expecting a lot of Zombies I'd recommend Learn from the Past. Kinda sad that it's the best graveyard hate in Standard but hey, it's what we've got and there's a lot of graveyard decks doing well right now.
So , lsv made a sb mistake. I'm not lsv I don't claim to be anywhere near that level, (I'm good but I'm not the Michael Jordan of mtg ) but I was shocked to see lsv not board in Tamiyo. That card out of the SB made me feel like LSV was favored.
He won both matches off of Tamiyo tapping things down and clearing the way for dudes to get through. The angel is only good when you are read to alpha strike. The essence of Owens deck was that it also had tempo Elements. This meant he could keep up with bant. Without Tamiyo icing down dudes it became clear that the angel was the wrong card to board in.
Bant can adapt , and Thalia seems even better off coco now. So many questions I have about the deck building but again I'm no going to say there is a right build. It's meta dependent for sure.
I think LSV's match vs Owenwald really needs to studied, possibly his match vs Reid Duke. It is worth pointing out LSV beat him in swiss and won the first two out of three in the semis. Bant's not quite dead. I think you just need to be more aggressive in the playstyle
not really working on this anymore, but I think Bant Humans is probably well-positioned again out of the Bant variants. worth noting how many of the successful PT decks just did not give a damn about Spell Queller, the absence of which was previously the main drawback to Bant Humans.
tried the deck again at a win a box, split in top 4 and went home. 3 and 1, loss to Bant Spirits of all things. Decks fine, beat the PT B/W deck in 3 and while it was a grind I made sure to maximize my own sources of CA and beat 2 Lili's and 2 Ob's and 3 Languish in 1 match on top of spot removal. Maybe Bant humans is better positioned but from my exp running that deck B/W control ate it up, that deck doesn't bounce back from languish nearly as well as Bant CoCo.
Tamiyo, field researcher is really good. LIKE I beat the mirror today and landed her on curve. It was lights out, no coming back. Also, the Fortified Village mana base worked out better for playing on curve. My version still runs Lambholt Pacifist out of the SB and it punished my B/W opponent hard.
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At that level, the person's teammates spend the night testing against the other decks in the top 8 to determine the best sideboarding strategy. LSV might make a call at the last second, but it's usually determined by the teamates.
Meta right now is heavy with white weenes. Is it correct to sideboard out companies and tiresless trackers as you bring in: 4 spot removal (usually dec stone/silkwraps), 1-2 board wipes, and 2 creatures (pacifists usually).
Well, played in 2 Gamedays, top 8 both but lost to Humans 3x out of the 4 losses in 2 days. Definitely didn't prepare enough for that match up. I missed having Planar Outburst and my 3 Lambholt Pacifist's out of the SB all day.
I don't remember Saturday's match ups but today:
Round 1 Vs W/R humans. 0-2 Loss
WHAT a great way to open up the day.
Round 2 Vs G/B Delirium 2-0 Win
Dsiplacer blinked Mindwrack 7x here...he eventually had to price his own demon LOL
Round 3 Vs U/W Humans 2-0 Win
I drew really well, liked SUPER well. Triple CoCo G1 with board presence.
Round 4 Vs Temur Delirium 2-1 Win
I played this deck 4x in the last week. I haven't lost to it yet, I'm told it's a bad match up, but my Selfless spirit's constantly give Emrakul the finger. Ah yes, this was the match where I beat triple Elder Deep-Fiend in a row...Tamiyo real good
Round 5 Vs Mono White Humans 2-1 Win
Super tough, G1 I got there by clogging the board up and winning the Die roll. G2 he ROLF stomped me. G3 He starts flooding, and I open up with double Tragic Arrogance, 2 drops and land. Happy Face.
Top 8
W/R Humans. ROLF Stomp me again (same guy from round 1) 0-2.
I was the 2nd seed player going into top 8...when I saw my opponent was the same guy who destroyed me Round 1 I didn't feel so good anymore. He ripped triple Dec in Stone, runner runner 1 drops, the works. I missed a 3rd land drop, terrible way to go out.
Time to get back to the Anti Aggro package again. Decks fine, decks great. I keep being told it's got a target on it's head, I'll just jam it until rotation.
Went 3-1 on Gameday on Saturday and took 3rd. We couldn't play out the top 4 due to the store moved back the start time and we didn't have enough time before the mall was closing to play out the matches.
Short and sweet I played the following:
Round 1 G/B Delirium Ramp; I won 2-0
Round 2 B/W Control; I won 2-0
Round 3 W/r Humans; I won 2-0
Round 4 B/W Control; I lost 2-0
Overall I felt the deck played out real well and I was able to either draw or CoCo into the answers I needed; except for the last match.
Overall had a good time.
Psy
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I've been testing for the RPTQs online and it's Bant Company everywhere. It's almost 50% of the 5-0 decks being posted and 6/8 of GP:Rimini were Bant CoCo versions.
I suspect this is going to be the dominant deck in terms of raw numbers at the RPTQs. Does anything out there reliably beat this deck? I don't care how bad it's matchup is versus the rest of the field -- what do you as a Bant player just do not want to sit down verses?
reliably? As in "what deck dunks on bant CoCo"? U/W Spirits is a very hard match up, and G1 W/R humans is dicey. Other than that, some decks like B/W control have decent G1's since they are set up to handle creature decks. bant has some creatures that aren't as effective against Liliana and company. The Problem with a deck consistently beating bant is that after SB bant actually gets better. It brings in things like Lambholt Pacifist, Clash of Wills / Negate against Control. It can bring in Walkers like Tamiyo (card is crazy good) and gets access to hosers in Summary Dismissal. It can go bigger out of the SB against Midrange decks with Linvala, Gideon's, More Avacyn's, it's really nuts how often this deck can customize itself to the weekly meta. I recommend going under it (humans), evasive Creatures (U/W Spirits), and going way over the top (I think the Emerge/ Emrakul decks aren't that bad mathc ups, I've played against competent pilots and I fully understand that Selfless Spirit in multiples is very hard for them to beat if the Bant player has established a board presence.).
The Bant CoCo hoser is
U/B Zombies. It's a 70/30 match up. I haven't beaten it since the zombies + Pariah simply demolish what Bant's trying to do. Afer SB it gets a tad better but Bant still isn't favored. Problem with Zombies is that it folds hard to other B/X decks.
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24 in store credit and a clean sweep? I don't like the deck, but if it wins me as much as it has in the week, well I'll play it. 3rd at a win a box and 1st at the casual event? If you can't beat them, join them. That sucks, PT starts in a few hours, fingers crossed the meta needs more diversity.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
I finally packed a Tamiyo, so she'll be a 1-of in my sideboard tomorrow, and I'm going to try her alongside a Kiora, Master of the Depths. Her +1 ability can help fight through a Thalia, and the -2 is a good restock.
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The two drops typically run in Bant Company are Sylvan Advocate, Duskwatch Recruiter, Lambholt Pacifist, and Selfless Spirit. Advocate is a 4-of, Duskwatch used to be a 4-of but I've seen many lists recently running 3, Pacifist is usually in the sideboard (quantity varies), and Spirit as a 3-of or 4-of as a newer main deck inclusion.
Displacer is an excellent addition against most archetypes, excepting only that it strains the mana base a bit. Against aggro decks, it's not as good as some other creatures, but a 3/3 for 3 is a decent rate, and the blinking ability is something they now have to play around. I've won many games because the opponent either can't deal with Displacer or neglected to respect the blinking. I love it when they cast a pump spell or Aura on their creature, and I blink their creature before combat damage or blink my Reflector Mage. There are some games, though, where I don't play it until T6 to ensure I can cast and then blink same turn to ensure I get value from it.
Also, blinking an opponent's Spell Queller when they cast a spell is just absurd.
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I am at work so I can't actually confirm but it seems right. As I said, this is more geared toward the specific meta I am expecting. I no doubt see the value in displacer but I just don't know how stable the mana base is with it and I am more concerned about stumbling against an aggro deck because of it. The deck is so absurdly powerful even without displacer that I am not sure the inconsistency is worth the extra power. Now if I was expecting the mirror it would be a different story.
Last night, I ran 4 Advocate, 3 Recruiter, 3 Selfless Spirit, and 2 Lambholt Pacifist. I'm going to take out a Recruiter for a miser's Jace, VP. I can agree with the arguments against Pacifist main, but it brick walls opposing Advocates, as well as forces control to do something turn 2/3.
As for Displacer, I haven't found the mana base changes to hurt much, but I'm also on 26 lands. Even if he doesn't have an immediate impact on the board, considering all the possibilities Displacer opens up (Reflector, Avacyn, Queller), he's a must-answer. He's basically an engine like Tracker, but works with what you have already. I also like, with Displacer in the deck, playing Queller aggressively eot without countering anything, since Displacer can get me that value later.
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Tamiyo seemed absolutely bonkers on camera and she went a long way in giving lsv a chance against Rubin in that match. He still lost to Emmy but drawing triple traverse was brutal.
If it's true that g/b becomes the go to control deck than a Krasis gets way better off coco.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
NOTE: had I not topped decked the Selfless Spirit, I was SUPA dead. SUPER SUPA KO.
Summary Dismissal, is going to see a lot of play from my SB.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
The older Lists were very good, and Krasis was a mainstay in those lists. I'd be worried about the mirror and stopping certain cards from resolving. The benefit of using Krasis is the tempo play, tap down ability and access to more jace's and nissa's.
I'd test it out first, Queller is good, but I don't think he's insane. Reflector mage is insane. R Mage timewalked Reid duke on coverage at the PT and helped him fight through Emrakul's in 2 matches.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
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He won both matches off of Tamiyo tapping things down and clearing the way for dudes to get through. The angel is only good when you are read to alpha strike. The essence of Owens deck was that it also had tempo Elements. This meant he could keep up with bant. Without Tamiyo icing down dudes it became clear that the angel was the wrong card to board in.
Bant can adapt , and Thalia seems even better off coco now. So many questions I have about the deck building but again I'm no going to say there is a right build. It's meta dependent for sure.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
GW ~ Angels ~ WG
Modern:
RBW ~ Shadowmancer ~ WBR
Legacy:
BUG ~ Shadow Delver ~ GUB
Tamiyo, field researcher is really good. LIKE I beat the mirror today and landed her on curve. It was lights out, no coming back. Also, the Fortified Village mana base worked out better for playing on curve. My version still runs Lambholt Pacifist out of the SB and it punished my B/W opponent hard.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
Modern: UW Spirits
I don't remember Saturday's match ups but today:
Round 1 Vs W/R humans. 0-2 Loss
WHAT a great way to open up the day.
Round 2 Vs G/B Delirium 2-0 Win
Dsiplacer blinked Mindwrack 7x here...he eventually had to price his own demon LOL
Round 3 Vs U/W Humans 2-0 Win
I drew really well, liked SUPER well. Triple CoCo G1 with board presence.
Round 4 Vs Temur Delirium 2-1 Win
I played this deck 4x in the last week. I haven't lost to it yet, I'm told it's a bad match up, but my Selfless spirit's constantly give Emrakul the finger. Ah yes, this was the match where I beat triple Elder Deep-Fiend in a row...Tamiyo real good
Round 5 Vs Mono White Humans 2-1 Win
Super tough, G1 I got there by clogging the board up and winning the Die roll. G2 he ROLF stomped me. G3 He starts flooding, and I open up with double Tragic Arrogance, 2 drops and land. Happy Face.
Top 8
W/R Humans. ROLF Stomp me again (same guy from round 1) 0-2.
I was the 2nd seed player going into top 8...when I saw my opponent was the same guy who destroyed me Round 1 I didn't feel so good anymore. He ripped triple Dec in Stone, runner runner 1 drops, the works. I missed a 3rd land drop, terrible way to go out.
Time to get back to the Anti Aggro package again. Decks fine, decks great. I keep being told it's got a target on it's head, I'll just jam it until rotation.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
Short and sweet I played the following:
Round 1 G/B Delirium Ramp; I won 2-0
Round 2 B/W Control; I won 2-0
Round 3 W/r Humans; I won 2-0
Round 4 B/W Control; I lost 2-0
Overall I felt the deck played out real well and I was able to either draw or CoCo into the answers I needed; except for the last match.
Overall had a good time.
Psy
Jeskai Control:42-23-5
Elves: 44-31-3
Red-Aggro: 18-9-0
B/G Energy 21-6-0
Previous Played:
G/r Ramp:125-72-3 - Bant CoCo:64-24-2 - Jeskai Saheeli: 62-25-4 - Mono Green Eldrazi: 22-11-2
Bant Aggro: 51-27-6 - U/W/g Midrange: 47-24-1 - Bant: 4-3-0
I suspect this is going to be the dominant deck in terms of raw numbers at the RPTQs. Does anything out there reliably beat this deck? I don't care how bad it's matchup is versus the rest of the field -- what do you as a Bant player just do not want to sit down verses?
The Bant CoCo hoser is
U/B Zombies. It's a 70/30 match up. I haven't beaten it since the zombies + Pariah simply demolish what Bant's trying to do. Afer SB it gets a tad better but Bant still isn't favored. Problem with Zombies is that it folds hard to other B/X decks.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn