The real weakness I would say would be enchantment removal, as the only real removal the deck runs is conclave tribunal. Having Legion's Landing or History of Benalia be taken out isn't the worst thing since you get value out of those cards as they come into play anyway, however.
The sideboard is a bit of a question mark as I have no idea what the meta will look like, but I think there are some good options in Selesnya, especially with the versatility of Knight of Autumn.
I think there will be a pretty good Selesyna Token deck out there. I personally think on this route we should play enough green and x4 llanowar elves. It's just so good for tempo, and the 1 mana removal is going to be really bad in standard right now. It is pretty much just black that has access to something that should regularly see play.
Playing Llanowar elves could mean that Mentor of the Meek is a lot more playable/abusable - which is a place where this deck falls short i.e. drawing cards, or even more plainly - being able to recover from mass removal like you said yourself. To be fair though, Llanowar elves does not make Benalish Marshal easier to cast, which is why I would consider cutting it for Mentor of the Meeks - but I guess it depends on how much point removal you're expecting to see vs how many bigger creatures you're expecting your opponent to slam.
The other card that I would consider is Tragic poet - in a meta where enchantment removal is prevalent, this card shines. This is especially the case where Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants offers the opportunity for a repeatable source of enchantment recursion.
Conclave Tribunal is better than Ixalan's Binding in his build because it has Convoke. Binding is too slow in a deck that wants to go wide. Divine Visitation is a powerful card, but works better against midrange/stomp ramp decks. I think it's better to go wide quickly closing game 1 out aggro style, then siding in Visitation for more grind-ier post board games 2 and 3.
That being said, has anyone considered Naya Tokens instead? The Boros Guild gives us a lot of guys that makes our weenies bigger and also throws tokens onto the battlefield:
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I don't follow your logic. Why would it be better served being GW or RW? And just because the deck is primarily white? What does that have to do with anything? Please provide some examples, if you don't mind, of why going mono white (aside from maybe, MAYBE mana issues) would be the better deck to construct.
Radiant Destiny works best in decks with tribal strats, so unless you're running a pure knights, soldiers, angels, etc deck it's not very beneficial. Pride of Conquerors is a neat combat trick and I could see maybe playing it as a "2 of" in a deck even lower to the ground than the decks listed in this thread. Vanquisher's Banner... I don't know. Seems slow, and again, works better in tribal decks.
Most of your deck already runs soldiers with the exception of Ajani, which really only does stuff if your ahead. If your behind he doesn't do a whole lot.
Emmara, which is a legendary which just happens to spam soldier tokens along with llanowar elves, which acts as small ramp. Even in your sideboard, March of the Multitudes pumps out soldiers. I think Divine Visitation is a little too slow but that is another debate.
Mono-white already on it's own has pretty good 1/2 drops that can be ran to form white-weenie, or in your in your case tokens which is the whole point of this thread. White also has decent anthem effects you can go with and it's not going to take a whole lot to go all soldiers. Especially with cards like Adanto Vangaurd / Skymarcher Aspirant. I could also make a case for Ajani's Pridemate who happens to also be a soldier who also happens to benefit from lifelink which all your token soldiers have. On top of all that they can all be found by Mentor of the Meek. Shalai, Voice of Plenty Although not a Soldier can be placed in sideboard. Main point here is synergy.
Radiant Destiny probably could and should be played at that point if you go all soldiers.
Already pointed out Pride of Conquerors
Could also run Zhalfirin Void here as well.
For RW you could just pickup Goblin Bannaret and Swiftblade Vindicator:
T1 Goblin Bannaret
T2 Swiftblade Vindicator
T3 pump bannaret and have swiftblade swing for 4 and also play any of the 1 drops that you had in your hand. Because they are both soldiers they synergize with your deck as they are both soldiers and can be found by mentor.
Though I'm starting to rethink Deafening Clarion I can't remember if the 3 damage affects your creatures as well.
Main point most of the tools are just there in RW and GW.
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Most of your deck already runs soldiers with the exception of Ajani, which really only does stuff if your ahead. If your behind he doesn't do a whole lot.
Emmara, which is a legendary which just happens to spam soldier tokens along with llanowar elves, which acts as small ramp. Even in your sideboard, March of the Multitudes pumps out soldiers. I think Divine Visitation is a little too slow but that is another debate.
Mono-white already on it's own has pretty good 1/2 drops that can be ran to form white-weenie, or in your in your case tokens which is the whole point of this thread. White also has decent anthem effects you can go with and it's not going to take a whole lot to go all soldiers. Especially with cards like Adanto Vangaurd / Skymarcher Aspirant. I could also make a case for Ajani's Pridemate who happens to also be a soldier who also happens to benefit from lifelink which all your token soldiers have. On top of all that they can all be found by Mentor of the Meek. Shalai, Voice of Plenty Although not a Soldier can be placed in sideboard. Main point here is synergy.
Radiant Destiny probably could and should be played at that point if you go all soldiers.
Already pointed out Pride of Conquerors
Could also run Zhalfirin Void here as well.
For RW you could just pickup Goblin Bannaret and Swiftblade Vindicator:
T1 Goblin Bannaret
T2 Swiftblade Vindicator
T3 pump bannaret and have swiftblade swing for 4 and also play any of the 1 drops that you had in your hand. Because they are both soldiers they synergize with your deck as they are both soldiers and can be found by mentor.
Though I'm starting to rethink Deafening Clarion I can't remember if the 3 damage affects your creatures as well.
Main point most of the tools are just there in RW and GW.
Ok, it looks like you're still trying to make the deck tribal, when that's not the direction the deck wants/needs to go in. Yes, GW and RW have tools. We've established that. You still haven't given a reason as to to why they wouldn't work together as a token deck (token, not soldier deck). And Ajani?.. you and I both have five 1/1 creatures on the battlefield and we each are at 1 life. We're board stalled. I drop Ajani on my turn and +1 him. My guys are now bigger than yours, and unless you don't block or have an answer, my guys will swing in and you lose the game. So no, I don't think Ajani works better when your ahead. He's designed to break board stalls and bring back pivotal 2 drops that may buy you enough time to stabilize.
Ok, it looks like you're still trying to make the deck tribal, when that's not the direction the deck wants/needs to go in. Yes, GW and RW have tools. We've established that. You still haven't given a reason as to to why they wouldn't work together as a token deck (token, not soldier deck). And Ajani?.. you and I both have five 1/1 creatures on the battlefield and we each are at 1 life. We're board stalled. I drop Ajani on my turn and +1 him. My guys are now bigger than yours, and unless you don't block or have an answer, my guys will swing in and you lose the game. So no, I don't think Ajani works better when your ahead. He's designed to break board stalls and bring back pivotal 2 drops that may buy you enough time to stabilize.
No Ajani, doesn't break board-stalls very well. And an off the wall hypothetical scenario that leaves out a boat-load of context isn't really a good argument to go with. You kinda just reiterated my point that Ajani doesn't really do anything for you when your behind. You have to be ahead for him to add value. Long and short I've explained what I needed to explain here. There really isn't too much more to add there.
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Ok, it looks like you're still trying to make the deck tribal, when that's not the direction the deck wants/needs to go in. Yes, GW and RW have tools. We've established that. You still haven't given a reason as to to why they wouldn't work together as a token deck (token, not soldier deck). And Ajani?.. you and I both have five 1/1 creatures on the battlefield and we each are at 1 life. We're board stalled. I drop Ajani on my turn and +1 him. My guys are now bigger than yours, and unless you don't block or have an answer, my guys will swing in and you lose the game. So no, I don't think Ajani works better when your ahead. He's designed to break board stalls and bring back pivotal 2 drops that may buy you enough time to stabilize.
No Ajani, doesn't break board-stalls very well. And an off the wall hypothetical scenario that leaves out a boat-load of context isn't really a good argument to go with. You kinda just reiterated my point that Ajani doesn't really do anything for you when your behind. You have to be ahead for him to add value. Long and short I've explained what I needed to explain here. There really isn't too much more to add there.
It's not really an off the wall scenario; basically, anytime you are at parity with your opponent Ajani puts combat in your favour. Either by making your guys bigger than your opponent's, or bringing back your best 1-2 drop after combat. He also helps after a board sweep with all the token makers in the deck and the -2 ability. I would argue that Ajani is good in nearly every state of the game, except in states where there is no chance of winning anyway.
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It's not really an off the wall scenario; basically, anytime you are at parity with your opponent Ajani puts combat in your favour. Either by making your guys bigger than your opponent's, or bringing back your best 1-2 drop after combat. He also helps after a board sweep with all the token makers in the deck and the -2 ability. I would argue that Ajani is good in nearly every state of the game, except in states where there is no chance of winning anyway.
It is an off the wall scenario...it lacks a lot of context. So again, let's move on from the conversation because there is nothing to add here that we don't already know. Again, it's been said, he only really helps if your ahead. He doesn't do much when your behind. Also assuming things don't help either. Assuming things only make you look like a you know what at the end of the day. Also the board stall scenario reiterates my point because it bases assumptions off an OP that trades 1 for 1...Really???...In a chainwhirler based meta...Really???
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It's not really an off the wall scenario; basically, anytime you are at parity with your opponent Ajani puts combat in your favour. Either by making your guys bigger than your opponent's, or bringing back your best 1-2 drop after combat. He also helps after a board sweep with all the token makers in the deck and the -2 ability. I would argue that Ajani is good in nearly every state of the game, except in states where there is no chance of winning anyway.
It is an off the wall scenario...it lacks a lot of context. So again, let's move on from the conversation because there is nothing to add here that we don't already know. Again, it's been said, he only really helps if your ahead. He doesn't do much when your behind. Also assuming things don't help either. Assuming things only make you look like a you know what at the end of the day. Also the board stall scenario reiterates my point because it bases assumptions off an OP that trades 1 for 1...Really???...In a chainwhirler based meta...Really???
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"Again, it's been said?" No, YOU said. The question of whether Ajani is good or not hasn't been determined, especially not by you. You're done with the subject? That's great, but don't state your opinion as fact. And as far as Chainwhirler... Its my OPINION that it won't see as much play. The meta is about to be wide open, and there will be numerous ways to rebuild the board fairly quickly, as well as pump creatures. The only one assuming things as fact is you.
The core of the deck is pretty straight forward, the key cards are all here (Emmara, Shanna, History, etc.) with a few interesting inclusions. Heroic Reinforcements is the only card he's splashing red for in the mainboard; while it seems powerful I feel like there are a lot of other options at 4cc in either green or white, such as Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants, that could easily fill this slot without having to go a third colour. I do like the Flower // flourish (though I'm not sure about a full playset) and that is definitely an addition I will be testing. The singleton Snubhorn Sentry is a little confusing, given the amount of other more aggressive 1-drops he is not playing, and I would definitely run more than one Benalish Marshals.
"Again, it's been said?" No, YOU said. The question of whether Ajani is good or not hasn't been determined, especially not by you. You're done with the subject? That's great, but don't state your opinion as fact. And as far as Chainwhirler... Its my OPINION that it won't see as much play. The meta is about to be wide open, and there will be numerous ways to rebuild the board fairly quickly, as well as pump creatures. The only one assuming things as fact is you.
First off, I would appreciate it if you would quit twisting my words around, and no I didn't state anything as fact. I haven't assumed anything...I'm not in the business of making assumptions. I've already said that assumptions make you into a you know what. That's you and your off-the-wall boardstall scenario. Furthermore, the assumptions you have been making about what I have said really isn't helping. Anything I have said up to this point and after this point is an opinion, nothing more nothing less. You can take any opinion with a grain of salt. Granted, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
Secondly, you also make it seem like I need to write a thesis paper for you and that straight up isn't happening. To reiterate I haven't tried to imply fact based off a statement, but there is a clear disconnect here so I am ready to move on. You can continue to manipulate, postulate, and twist if you like, but that was never my intention. If anything, it was far from it and I'm disappointed to see such lack of decency.
Lastly, also I'm not interested in this he said, she said, capitalized opinions and the like. You stated what you said, I stated what I said, I'm ready move on. You can work that out with your deck and I'm sorry you feel that way. So here is an opinion which was always the case. You should do to the deck what is necessary to get that deck where it needs to go to be successful. That is irregardless of any card you elect to place in the deck. If that happens to get you a top8 at the GP gravy...If you don't...gravy Clear? I hope so.
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The core of the deck is pretty straight forward, the key cards are all here (Emmara, Shanna, History, etc.) with a few interesting inclusions. Heroic Reinforcements is the only card he's splashing red for in the mainboard; while it seems powerful I feel like there are a lot of other options at 4cc in either green or white, such as Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants, that could easily fill this slot without having to go a third colour. I do like the Flower // flourish (though I'm not sure about a full playset) and that is definitely an addition I will be testing. The singleton Snubhorn Sentry is a little confusing, given the amount of other more aggressive 1-drops he is not playing, and I would definitely run more than one Benalish Marshals.
I saw this. He splashes for Heroic Reinforcements and Huatli, Warrior Poet. Granted, the latter is in the sideboard. IMO, good anthem affect and haste is really swanky especially if that gets combo'd off a history of benalia. Though I really dig the combo of going from march of multitudes to luxodon then heroic reinforcements.
So for snubhorn, he notes you can use to convoke and expects it to become a 3/3 attacker after getting 10 permanents and hitting ascend. Imo I would be ok with the 2 snubhorns vs 2 benalish marshalls.
he also states he wants to create board presence. Land count is also low to the ground. It's not a deck that is meant to be hyperaggressive. He does think llanowar needs to be in selesnya but can work with a deck focusing on more 1 drops. Due to all the boros lands not making green.
some interesting combos
legion's landing x2 into a venerated luxodon.
Kinda odd at 22 lands that he flooded though.
his combo of march of multitudes in venerated luxodon then into heroic reinforcements is very solid.
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I’ve been wondering if a soldier tribal token deck might be good. It would be similar to the list talked about in this thread, but would replace history of Benalia with Radiant Destiny. When you get the city’s blessing you can attack with your vigilant soldiers and then convoke out a massive march of the multitudes. Include Hunted Witness, Leonin Vanguard, Ajani’s Pridemate, with maybe dawn of hope for card draw, beside the anthem effects available there would also be a protection plan against chainwhirler in the form of 4 Tocatli Honor Guard.
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The idea is a solid tokens/weenie deck that’s bonkers with Divine Visitation. I only own 3, I might get a 4th if I go with this, similar for March of the Multitudes.
I prefer Llanowar Elves over ramp spells like Grow from the Ashes to fit creature theme.
Arboretum Elemental and Join Shields are quick sideboard choices if spot removal is a problem. Crush Contraband seems like a good sideboard card in general, I like Sprouting Renewal because it can be a token maker rather than a dead card. Demotion seems possible for cheap removal especially if activated abilities get annoying
Bond of Discipline could enable an alpha strike or gain enough life to stall against other aggro but I worry it'll too often be a dead card; multiple instances of lifelink on the same object are redundant (Comprehensive Rules 702.15f)
I'm thinking about Prison Realm as a Ixalan's Binding replacement post rotation.
4x Benalish Marshal
4x Emmara, Soul of the Accord
4x Haazda Marshal
1x Shalai, Voice of Plenty
2x Shanna, Sisay's Legacy
4x Venerated Loxodon
Instant (3)
3x March of the Multitudes
Enchantment (12)
4x Conclave Tribunal
4x History of Benalia
4x Legion's Landing
3x Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants
Land (23)
1x Forest
2x Memorial to Glory
12x Plains
4x Sunpetal Grove
4x Temple Garden
2x Bounty Agent
1x Divine Visitation
4x Knight of Autumn
3x Knight of Grace
2x Remorseful Cleric
2x Settle the Wreckage
1x Camaraderie
The deck seems like it should struggle against board wipes Goblin Chainwhirler effects, but with a flipped Legion's Landing, Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants, and March of the Multitudes, the deck is resilient enough to bounce back after almost any situation.
The real weakness I would say would be enchantment removal, as the only real removal the deck runs is conclave tribunal. Having Legion's Landing or History of Benalia be taken out isn't the worst thing since you get value out of those cards as they come into play anyway, however.
The sideboard is a bit of a question mark as I have no idea what the meta will look like, but I think there are some good options in Selesnya, especially with the versatility of Knight of Autumn.
Other mainboard options include: Dauntless Bodyguard, Leonin Vanguard, Skymarcher Aspirant, Ajani's Pridemate, Mentor of the Meek, Militia Bugler, Resplendent Angel, Shield Mare, and Lyra Dawnbringer. There is definitely room for a lifegain/Angels sub-theme in here while keeping the core of the deck mostly the same. I opted for a flat out tokens approach as it seems to be the most consistent.
GW Midrange/Lifegain GW
Also making Abzan Knights
GW Legendary Galore! GW
GW Angel Tribal GW
GW TOKENS GW
The other card that I would consider is Tragic poet - in a meta where enchantment removal is prevalent, this card shines. This is especially the case where Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants offers the opportunity for a repeatable source of enchantment recursion.
Conclave Tribunal is better than Ixalan's Binding in his build because it has Convoke. Binding is too slow in a deck that wants to go wide. Divine Visitation is a powerful card, but works better against midrange/stomp ramp decks. I think it's better to go wide quickly closing game 1 out aggro style, then siding in Visitation for more grind-ier post board games 2 and 3.
That being said, has anyone considered Naya Tokens instead? The Boros Guild gives us a lot of guys that makes our weenies bigger and also throws tokens onto the battlefield:
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Clifftop Retreat
4 Temple Garden
4 Sunpetal Grove
2 Rootbound Crag
4 Plains
CREATURES 28
4 Hunted Witness
4 Haazda Marshal
4 Mentor of the Meek
3 Tajic, Legion's Edge
4 Legion Warboss
2 Aurelia, Exemplar of Justice
3 Emmara, Soul of the Accord
4 Llanowar Elves
2 Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants
ENCHANTMENTS 8
4 Legion's Landing
4 Conclave Tribunal
2 Ashes of the Abhorrent
2 Remorseful Cleric
2 Bounty Agent
3 Deafening Clarion
2 Knight of Autumn
2 Divine Visitation
2 March of the Multitudes
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I think Emmara and Llanowar elves can be left out. I mean if your white you have a lot of other options you can go to like
Radiant Destiny
Pride of Conquerers
Vanquisher's Banner
etc...
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I don't follow your logic. Why would it be better served being GW or RW? And just because the deck is primarily white? What does that have to do with anything? Please provide some examples, if you don't mind, of why going mono white (aside from maybe, MAYBE mana issues) would be the better deck to construct.
Radiant Destiny works best in decks with tribal strats, so unless you're running a pure knights, soldiers, angels, etc deck it's not very beneficial.
Pride of Conquerors is a neat combat trick and I could see maybe playing it as a "2 of" in a deck even lower to the ground than the decks listed in this thread.
Vanquisher's Banner... I don't know. Seems slow, and again, works better in tribal decks.
Emmara, which is a legendary which just happens to spam soldier tokens along with llanowar elves, which acts as small ramp. Even in your sideboard, March of the Multitudes pumps out soldiers. I think Divine Visitation is a little too slow but that is another debate.
Mono-white already on it's own has pretty good 1/2 drops that can be ran to form white-weenie, or in your in your case tokens which is the whole point of this thread. White also has decent anthem effects you can go with and it's not going to take a whole lot to go all soldiers. Especially with cards like Adanto Vangaurd / Skymarcher Aspirant. I could also make a case for Ajani's Pridemate who happens to also be a soldier who also happens to benefit from lifelink which all your token soldiers have. On top of all that they can all be found by Mentor of the Meek. Shalai, Voice of Plenty Although not a Soldier can be placed in sideboard. Main point here is synergy.
Radiant Destiny probably could and should be played at that point if you go all soldiers.
Already pointed out Pride of Conquerors
Could also run Zhalfirin Void here as well.
For RW you could just pickup Goblin Bannaret and Swiftblade Vindicator:
T1 Goblin Bannaret
T2 Swiftblade Vindicator
T3 pump bannaret and have swiftblade swing for 4 and also play any of the 1 drops that you had in your hand. Because they are both soldiers they synergize with your deck as they are both soldiers and can be found by mentor.
Though I'm starting to rethink Deafening Clarion I can't remember if the 3 damage affects your creatures as well.
If you go GW then I get why you add Llanowar Elves and Emmara, soul of the accord and avoiding tribal at that point.
Even then going GW has:
Adventurous Impulse
Conclave Guildmage
Saproling Migration
Shanna, Sisay's Legacy
Main point most of the tools are just there in RW and GW.
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Ok, it looks like you're still trying to make the deck tribal, when that's not the direction the deck wants/needs to go in. Yes, GW and RW have tools. We've established that. You still haven't given a reason as to to why they wouldn't work together as a token deck (token, not soldier deck). And Ajani?.. you and I both have five 1/1 creatures on the battlefield and we each are at 1 life. We're board stalled. I drop Ajani on my turn and +1 him. My guys are now bigger than yours, and unless you don't block or have an answer, my guys will swing in and you lose the game. So no, I don't think Ajani works better when your ahead. He's designed to break board stalls and bring back pivotal 2 drops that may buy you enough time to stabilize.
No Ajani, doesn't break board-stalls very well. And an off the wall hypothetical scenario that leaves out a boat-load of context isn't really a good argument to go with. You kinda just reiterated my point that Ajani doesn't really do anything for you when your behind. You have to be ahead for him to add value. Long and short I've explained what I needed to explain here. There really isn't too much more to add there.
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It's not really an off the wall scenario; basically, anytime you are at parity with your opponent Ajani puts combat in your favour. Either by making your guys bigger than your opponent's, or bringing back your best 1-2 drop after combat. He also helps after a board sweep with all the token makers in the deck and the -2 ability. I would argue that Ajani is good in nearly every state of the game, except in states where there is no chance of winning anyway.
It is an off the wall scenario...it lacks a lot of context. So again, let's move on from the conversation because there is nothing to add here that we don't already know. Again, it's been said, he only really helps if your ahead. He doesn't do much when your behind. Also assuming things don't help either. Assuming things only make you look like a you know what at the end of the day. Also the board stall scenario reiterates my point because it bases assumptions off an OP that trades 1 for 1...Really???...In a chainwhirler based meta...Really???
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"Again, it's been said?" No, YOU said. The question of whether Ajani is good or not hasn't been determined, especially not by you. You're done with the subject? That's great, but don't state your opinion as fact. And as far as Chainwhirler... Its my OPINION that it won't see as much play. The meta is about to be wide open, and there will be numerous ways to rebuild the board fairly quickly, as well as pump creatures. The only one assuming things as fact is you.
1 Benalish Marshal
3 District Guide
1 Snubhorn Sentry
4 Venerated Loxodon
4 Emmara, Soul of the Accord
3 Shanna, Sisay's Legacy
Lands (22)
1 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Plains
4 Clifftop Retreat
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden
4 Conclave Tribunal
4 History of Benalia
2 March of the Multitudes
4 Legion's Landing
4 Flower // flourish
4 Heroic Reinforcements
3 Knight of Autumn
2 Remorseful Cleric
3 Baffling End
2 Lyra Dawnbringer
2 Shalai, Voice of Plenty
2 Huatli, Warrior Poet
1 Camaraderie
The core of the deck is pretty straight forward, the key cards are all here (Emmara, Shanna, History, etc.) with a few interesting inclusions. Heroic Reinforcements is the only card he's splashing red for in the mainboard; while it seems powerful I feel like there are a lot of other options at 4cc in either green or white, such as Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants, that could easily fill this slot without having to go a third colour. I do like the Flower // flourish (though I'm not sure about a full playset) and that is definitely an addition I will be testing. The singleton Snubhorn Sentry is a little confusing, given the amount of other more aggressive 1-drops he is not playing, and I would definitely run more than one Benalish Marshals.
First off, I would appreciate it if you would quit twisting my words around, and no I didn't state anything as fact. I haven't assumed anything...I'm not in the business of making assumptions. I've already said that assumptions make you into a you know what. That's you and your off-the-wall boardstall scenario. Furthermore, the assumptions you have been making about what I have said really isn't helping. Anything I have said up to this point and after this point is an opinion, nothing more nothing less. You can take any opinion with a grain of salt. Granted, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
Secondly, you also make it seem like I need to write a thesis paper for you and that straight up isn't happening. To reiterate I haven't tried to imply fact based off a statement, but there is a clear disconnect here so I am ready to move on. You can continue to manipulate, postulate, and twist if you like, but that was never my intention. If anything, it was far from it and I'm disappointed to see such lack of decency.
Lastly, also I'm not interested in this he said, she said, capitalized opinions and the like. You stated what you said, I stated what I said, I'm ready move on. You can work that out with your deck and I'm sorry you feel that way. So here is an opinion which was always the case. You should do to the deck what is necessary to get that deck where it needs to go to be successful. That is irregardless of any card you elect to place in the deck. If that happens to get you a top8 at the GP gravy...If you don't...gravy Clear? I hope so.
EDIT: To keep things 100, anything I state from the past, future, present is an opinion and not intended to be a fact. Any and all suggestions I give are 100% opinion. So with that said, I would greatly appreciate it if you refrained from twisting my words around.
-Stay Frosty
I saw this. He splashes for Heroic Reinforcements and Huatli, Warrior Poet. Granted, the latter is in the sideboard. IMO, good anthem affect and haste is really swanky especially if that gets combo'd off a history of benalia. Though I really dig the combo of going from march of multitudes to luxodon then heroic reinforcements.
So for snubhorn, he notes you can use to convoke and expects it to become a 3/3 attacker after getting 10 permanents and hitting ascend. Imo I would be ok with the 2 snubhorns vs 2 benalish marshalls.
he also states he wants to create board presence. Land count is also low to the ground. It's not a deck that is meant to be hyperaggressive. He does think llanowar needs to be in selesnya but can work with a deck focusing on more 1 drops. Due to all the boros lands not making green.
some interesting combos
legion's landing x2 into a venerated luxodon.
Kinda odd at 22 lands that he flooded though.
his combo of march of multitudes in venerated luxodon then into heroic reinforcements is very solid.
-Stay Frosty
-Stay Frosty
7 Plains
7 Forest
4 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden
Creature (15)
4 Conclave Cavalier
4 Emmara, Soul of the Accord
4 Llanowar Elves
3 Worldsoul Colossus
2 Sprouting Renewal
4 Sworn Companions
Instant (2)
2 March of the Multitudes
Enchantment (15)
4 Conclave Tribunal
4 Dawn of Hope
3 Divine Visitation
4 Song of Freyalise
3 Arboretum Elemental
4 Collar the Culprit
4 Crush Contraband
4 Join Shields
The idea is a solid tokens/weenie deck that’s bonkers with Divine Visitation. I only own 3, I might get a 4th if I go with this, similar for March of the Multitudes.
I prefer Llanowar Elves over ramp spells like Grow from the Ashes to fit creature theme.
Camaraderie and Bounty of Might seem overcosted. So do Flourish and Assemble but maybe the cheaper halves of those split cards would help.
Do Shanna, Sisay’s Legacy, Worldsoul Colossus and Might of the Masses work with the weenie approach? Would History of Benalia work without many other Knights? I avoid Saprolings because the Solider lifelink is better on 1/1’s with saproling synergy.
Arboretum Elemental and Join Shields are quick sideboard choices if spot removal is a problem. Crush Contraband seems like a good sideboard card in general, I like Sprouting Renewal because it can be a token maker rather than a dead card. Demotion seems possible for cheap removal especially if activated abilities get annoying
Vintage: Dredge | Legacy: Burn, Goblins, Soldier | Standard: Mono-Red Aggro
Commander: Nicol Bolas, Sliver Overlord, Rafiq
Casual: Selesnya Saproling Smackdown, Izzet Labs, Rebel
Played since June 2004, mostly inactive June 2011 to March 2018
Other usernames include AlanFromRochester, homerthebeerbaron
MTG checklists from Alpha to Ravnica Allegiance - https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/other-magic-products/third-party-products/805324-checklists-for-everything-from-alpha-to-ravnica
Bond of Discipline could enable an alpha strike or gain enough life to stall against other aggro but I worry it'll too often be a dead card; multiple instances of lifelink on the same object are redundant (Comprehensive Rules 702.15f)
I'm thinking about Prison Realm as a Ixalan's Binding replacement post rotation.
Pledge of Unity might have potential to keep my creatures from being too small and provide some more lifegain. Similarly, Ajani, the Greathearted.
Conclave Cavalier, Song of Freyalise and Tithe Taker have all been underwhelming.
Here's what I'll be testing:
7 Plains
7 Forest
4 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden
Creature (7)
3 Emmara, Soul of the Accord
4 Llanowar Elves
Sorcery (4)
4 Sworn Companions
4 March of the Multitudes
3 Pledge of Unity
Enchantment (18)
4 Conclave Tribunal
3 Divine Visitation
4 History of Benalia
4 Ixalan’s Binding
3 Legion’s Landing
2 Ajani, the Greathearted
1 Arboretum Elemental
4 Assure // Assemble
1 Conclave Cavalier
4 Crushing Canopy
4 Sprouting Renewal
1 Tithe Taker
Vintage: Dredge | Legacy: Burn, Goblins, Soldier | Standard: Mono-Red Aggro
Commander: Nicol Bolas, Sliver Overlord, Rafiq
Casual: Selesnya Saproling Smackdown, Izzet Labs, Rebel
Played since June 2004, mostly inactive June 2011 to March 2018
Other usernames include AlanFromRochester, homerthebeerbaron
MTG checklists from Alpha to Ravnica Allegiance - https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/other-magic-products/third-party-products/805324-checklists-for-everything-from-alpha-to-ravnica