I'm not sure where our deck will end up.. I think bant company is def. better now with spell queller, but this deck is still really strong. I guess the Pt will tell... I'm not giving up hope till then at least. I just really don't wanna buy new cards haha.
Ozyp's decklist is great to fight Bant Company.. No EMN cards but there's no rule that say that we must play with new cards
What do you think of that list?
Ozyp's decklist is great to fight Bant Company.. No EMN cards but there's no rule that say that we must play with new cards
What do you think of that list?
I'm not sure who that person is! But I'd like to see the list!!
Edit* I just noticed scg Baltimore! Guess it's not dead! That's a pretty stock list too.. , just an extra couple tragic arrogance, that's awesome!
Taking a G/W tokens deck to Game day tomorrow, and I was just wondering what cards are good against the delirium/Emrakul decks that we saw at the Pro Tour. Also, what is the general strategy against these decks?
Hello friends! I have been working on an update to GW for about a week now. This list is not your daddy's GW Tokens deck, but I think the deck has what's needed to keep GW relevant in a post-Eldritch Moon world.
Presenting... GW Tokens Angels Delirium Midrange! Better known as:
This deck's early turns play like the GBx Delirium decks, because we have the same core of green Delirium enabler spells. The key with the early spells is to ensure that you make your land drops going later into the game while working your way up to having Delirium online for turn 5. Ishkanah, Grafwidow is phenomenal in a deck full of anthem effects -- a single Gideon emblem makes Ishkanah into ten power and fifteen toughness over four bodies, which is an absurd rate. Gideon and Ishkanah are your primary lines of defense against creature decks -- those two are very good at gumming up the board and buying time.
Once we start hitting the middle game, the deck truly begins to shine. We have the highest concentration of impactful, proactive 2-for-1's in the format, and the degree of access to them which we get from Traverse the Ulvenwald and Grapple with the Past is unrivaled. Other Delirium decks have the same access effects, and other GWx decks like Naya Legends or GW Angels have the same threats, but our unique metagame space comes from our ability to combine the consistency that those access effects bestow with the power level of those threats. The end result is that in-between Emrakul and the early game, we are doing the most powerful thing in the format.
Speaking of Emrakul, GW has the best tools of all Emrakul decks in the format. We have Stasis Snare as the format's best answer for Emrakul, we play only a few reactive spells (which minimizes the impact of opposing Mindslaver turns), and our Emrakuls are sometimes literally just better than theirs -- our anthem effects make ours 14/14s not infrequently, which conveniently outclasses any opposing Emrakuls still lying around on the board. We also have a lot of meaningful pressure that we can apply on opposing Emrakul decks during the middle game with all of our threats, and we get a lot of card types into the graveyard while playing relatively normal Magic, which means we generally have a lower setup time.
If you play this list, you will struggle against Wx Humans -- GW Tokens had some issues with that deck before rotation, and this Delirium-inspired take has a significantly slower earlygame, leaving you more prone to being run over by that deck. But against everything else in the format, you are no worse than a slight dog -- just browsing MTG Salvation's own Proven subforum, you are even against Emerge, RG Emrakul and Bant, and a heavy favorite against GBx Delirium and BW Control. You are bigger than every control deck in the format and more powerful than all other midrange decks.
I highly encourage any GW enthusiasts still out there to give this a whirl. We all know GW Tokens was a historically dominant Standard deck; I merely propose that its demise has been greatly exaggerated. GW is back and bigger, better, and badder than ever. Check it out!
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Standard: GW ~ Angels ~ WG
Modern: RBW ~ Shadowmancer ~ WBR
Legacy: BUG ~ Shadow Delver ~ GUB
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What do you think of that list?
Standard:GW
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I'm not sure who that person is! But I'd like to see the list!!
Edit* I just noticed scg Baltimore! Guess it's not dead! That's a pretty stock list too.. , just an extra couple tragic arrogance, that's awesome!
4 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
4 Oath of Nissa
2 Evolutionary Leap
4 Hangarback Walker
4 Sylvan Advocate
3 Archangel Avacyn
2 Lambholt Pacifist
1 Ishkanah, Grafwidow
2 Declaration in Stone
2 Tragic Arrogance
6 Forest
5 Plains
4 Canopy Vista
4 Evolving Wilds
4 Fortified Village
2 Westvale Abbey
2 Den Protector
2 Hallowed Moonlight
2 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
2 Sigarda, Heron's Grace
1 Declaration in Stone
1 Display of Dominance
1 Dragonlord Dromoka
1 Dromoka's Command
1 Ishkanah, Grafwidow
1 Linvala, the Preserver
1 Tragic Arrogance
Sigarda and Display of Dominance are both really good against the delirium decks. I want to fit more displays in, they are sweet.
Presenting... GW Tokens Angels Delirium Midrange! Better known as:
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
2 Ishkanah, Grafwidow
2 Den Protector
3 Hangarback Walker
1 Bruna, the Fading Light
1 Gisela, the Broken Blade
1 Thalia's Lancers
1 Sigarda, Heron's Grace
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
Planeswalkers (7)
4 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
3 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
4 Vessel of Nascency
2 Stasis Snare
Instants (4)
4 Grapple with the Past
Sorceries (6)
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
2 Declaration in Stone
Lands (24)
4 Evolving Wilds
4 Canopy Vista
6 Forest
8 Plains
1 Geier Reach Sanitarium
1 Westvale Abbey
4 Sylvan Advocate
1 Dragonlord Dromoka
1 Evolutionary Leap
1 Stasis Snare
2 Display of Dominance
3 Dromoka's Command
1 Hallowed Moonlight
2 Descend upon the Sinful
This deck's early turns play like the GBx Delirium decks, because we have the same core of green Delirium enabler spells. The key with the early spells is to ensure that you make your land drops going later into the game while working your way up to having Delirium online for turn 5. Ishkanah, Grafwidow is phenomenal in a deck full of anthem effects -- a single Gideon emblem makes Ishkanah into ten power and fifteen toughness over four bodies, which is an absurd rate. Gideon and Ishkanah are your primary lines of defense against creature decks -- those two are very good at gumming up the board and buying time.
Once we start hitting the middle game, the deck truly begins to shine. We have the highest concentration of impactful, proactive 2-for-1's in the format, and the degree of access to them which we get from Traverse the Ulvenwald and Grapple with the Past is unrivaled. Other Delirium decks have the same access effects, and other GWx decks like Naya Legends or GW Angels have the same threats, but our unique metagame space comes from our ability to combine the consistency that those access effects bestow with the power level of those threats. The end result is that in-between Emrakul and the early game, we are doing the most powerful thing in the format.
Speaking of Emrakul, GW has the best tools of all Emrakul decks in the format. We have Stasis Snare as the format's best answer for Emrakul, we play only a few reactive spells (which minimizes the impact of opposing Mindslaver turns), and our Emrakuls are sometimes literally just better than theirs -- our anthem effects make ours 14/14s not infrequently, which conveniently outclasses any opposing Emrakuls still lying around on the board. We also have a lot of meaningful pressure that we can apply on opposing Emrakul decks during the middle game with all of our threats, and we get a lot of card types into the graveyard while playing relatively normal Magic, which means we generally have a lower setup time.
If you play this list, you will struggle against Wx Humans -- GW Tokens had some issues with that deck before rotation, and this Delirium-inspired take has a significantly slower earlygame, leaving you more prone to being run over by that deck. But against everything else in the format, you are no worse than a slight dog -- just browsing MTG Salvation's own Proven subforum, you are even against Emerge, RG Emrakul and Bant, and a heavy favorite against GBx Delirium and BW Control. You are bigger than every control deck in the format and more powerful than all other midrange decks.
I highly encourage any GW enthusiasts still out there to give this a whirl. We all know GW Tokens was a historically dominant Standard deck; I merely propose that its demise has been greatly exaggerated. GW is back and bigger, better, and badder than ever. Check it out!
GW ~ Angels ~ WG
Modern:
RBW ~ Shadowmancer ~ WBR
Legacy:
BUG ~ Shadow Delver ~ GUB