Took the Mr.Cheon's List to a win a box tonight and top 4 with the deck. It's quite powerful all around, and sometimes playing Gideon on T4 is well...if the opponent can't deal with it he literally ends it.
Round 1 Vs G/R Midrange 2-0
G1 was won off Westvale abbey flip.
G2 I managed to deal with x2 Arilins, 1x Nissa, a bunch of creature and tokens. Somehow I navigated to a board state that had Ob on line, Sorin on Line and Gideon + Token. There's a turn I remember turning the corner and it was a hell of a turn.
Round 2 Vs B/W Control the mirror, 2-0 Win
G1 I landed the first secure, managed to safely flip abbey.
G2 He mulls to 6. Gets stuck on 2 lands, I proceed to play gideon on curve. That sealed the game quickly.
Round 3 Vs Seasons Past 0-2 Loss
My opponent slowed roll me for 36 minutes in G1. Not only that I get pissed off, but I told him at one point to speed it up (he already knew my hand, and he the win cons in hand). He instead waits it out and I scoop after he keeps looping seasons past for fun.
G2, I never saw my 3rd mana source so that's that.
Round 4 ID.
Top 8, Vs U/W Humans 2-0 Win
Yeah, my friend did not draw well. I drew everything necessary to keep the board clear both games and sadly for my friend it wasn't close.
Semi's, we split the box, I went to the bar and was happy to pull Nahiri, the Harbinger. 12 bucks well spent.
Decks is powerful, as in sometimes your win cons simply pull you so far ahead it's really tough for an opponent to comeback. The PW create a board state that requires an answer before letting us untap, if they don't it spirals out of control in a few blinks of an eye.
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Standard Arena: Eh? Gruul or Die
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now: G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record) C Eldrazi Tron (9-5) UG Infect RW Burn
Because the deck thinning effect of Evolving Wilds is extremely minimal.
Both lands ETB tapped but you can get either B or W using the Sanctuary, whereas with Wilds you only get one color of the other.
YMMV but Evolving Wilds is generally more useful in a 3-color deck than it is in a 2-color deck.
Having lands that produce B and W are paramount in a deck that wants to cast Gideon or Languish in T4. If you're running Abbey's and Blighted Fens, you may find yourself on 2 colorless lands, a plains, and an evolving wilds. Then that Languish that woulda swung the game in your favor is dead in your hands.
The real benefit for Evolving Wilds for us would be if you're using several delerium cards.
If you use it to draw cards early--you always would rather have Read the bones or even painful truths
If you're using it to hit them, It's good only as a finisher. You absolutely don't want to drain most of their life, and then load their hands.
If you're using it to draw cards late--you're either A. Low on Life, or B. Have stablized and taken over the board, and it's a win more.
I more often than not get flooded with 25 lands, and if I do need lands Read the Bones saves me.
Playing the creatureless version is allowing some easy game one wins. I think these decks may want more ruinous path either main deck or at least in the sideboard, because I am seeing Gideon and Nissa everywhere.
I haven't been impressed with Avacyn. Played a lot with her near launch, she feels like win-more to me. This deck has zero problems closing games and in the mirror she is so easy to kill its laughable. I think Manfields list is a lot better. Just my 2 cents though.
Any suggestions on how to beat Grixis control? That feels like a rough matchup. Especially since they have access to Goblin Darkdwellers + read the bone synergies.
Any suggestions on how to beat Grixis control? That feels like a rough matchup. Especially since they have access to Goblin Darkdwellers + read the bone synergies.
Transgress the mind
Infinite obliteration targeting goblin dark-dwellers.
Vs other control decks I feel BW is favored IE: Esper Dragons, Esper Control and UR. Grixis is a pain, it's got the same B core but has ETB value creatures like GDD that will 2 for 1 us. Unlike control decks with U stopping the ETB isn't an option. Therefore, obliteration on GDD is always first when I have the opportunity. The next target that must be dealt with is Jace, while not as back breaking as before, a flipped jace still poses a major threat. GDD into Trangres/ RTB or anything that lets them gain CA on us is tough to recover from. Luckily Gideon is still a Pain in *** for most decks and we still have Flipped Abbey plays. That said, DL Silumagr is really good out of their SB and must be dealt with. It's match up like these that makes me miss playing U. I prefer the smooth mana of B/W atm, plus B/W is like esper dragons, without the clunkyness that my former pet deck goes through T1-3.
On Avacyn and Kaitas MD:
Against Ramp, soemtimes, and I mean just...sometimes, you flash in Gideon into, Angels, into Secure...that usually does it. She can pressure ramp decks that aren't set up to deal with 4.4 fylers that flip into 6/5 beat sticks. Not saying the ramp match up is good, (because it is no cake walk) but she does help.
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Standard Arena: Eh? Gruul or Die
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now: G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record) C Eldrazi Tron (9-5) UG Infect RW Burn
Vs other control decks I feel BW is favored IE: Esper Dragons, Esper Control and UR. Grixis is a pain, it's got the same B core but has ETB value creatures like GDD that will 2 for 1 us. Unlike control decks with U stopping the ETB isn't an option. Therefore, obliteration on GDD is always first when I have the opportunity. The next target that must be dealt with is Jace, while not as back breaking as before, a flipped jace still poses a major threat. GDD into Trangres/ RTB or anything that lets them gain CA on us is tough to recover from. Luckily Gideon is still a Pain in *** for most decks and we still have Flipped Abbey plays. That said, DL Silumagr is really good out of their SB and must be dealt with. It's match up like these that makes me miss playing U. I prefer the smooth mana of B/W atm, plus B/W is like esper dragons, without the clunkyness that my former pet deck goes through T1-3.
On Avacyn and Kaitas MD:
Against Ramp, soemtimes, and I mean just...sometimes, you flash in Gideon into, Angels, into Secure...that usually does it. She can pressure ramp decks that aren't set up to deal with 4.4 fylers that flip into 6/5 beat sticks. Not saying the ramp match up is good, (because it is no cake walk) but she does help.
You've got 2 options vs Dark Dwellers.
1. Out Card-Advantage them. Multiple RTB, and Sticking an Ob Nixilis for several turns will get you there against anything.
2. Jund and Grixis don't have a lot of ways to deal with Secure the Wastes into Westvale Abbey.
One of the best players at my LGS is on Jund Midrange, and flipping an abbey almost always gets me there. The other games I've won, there's a lot of Ob Nixilis involved.
I don't know. We are running a couple of sexy new cards from the latest set (Sorin, Grim Nemesis and Westvale Abbey), we have a GP win with Seth Mansfield's build, and the deck is Tier 1 and solid. Maybe grindy, removal heavy, creature-light or creatureless control decks don't have the same level of prestige as other decks.
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Took the Mr.Cheon's List to a win a box tonight and top 4 with the deck. It's quite powerful all around, and sometimes playing Gideon on T4 is well...if the opponent can't deal with it he literally ends it.
Round 1 Vs G/R Midrange 2-0
G1 was won off Westvale abbey flip.
G2 I managed to deal with x2 Arilins, 1x Nissa, a bunch of creature and tokens. Somehow I navigated to a board state that had Ob on line, Sorin on Line and Gideon + Token. There's a turn I remember turning the corner and it was a hell of a turn.
Round 2 Vs B/W Control the mirror, 2-0 Win
G1 I landed the first secure, managed to safely flip abbey.
G2 He mulls to 6. Gets stuck on 2 lands, I proceed to play gideon on curve. That sealed the game quickly.
Round 3 Vs Seasons Past 0-2 Loss
My opponent slowed roll me for 36 minutes in G1. Not only that I get pissed off, but I told him at one point to speed it up (he already knew my hand, and he the win cons in hand). He instead waits it out and I scoop after he keeps looping seasons past for fun.
G2, I never saw my 3rd mana source so that's that.
Round 4 ID.
Top 8, Vs U/W Humans 2-0 Win
Yeah, my friend did not draw well. I drew everything necessary to keep the board clear both games and sadly for my friend it wasn't close.
Semi's, we split the box, I went to the bar and was happy to pull Nahiri, the Harbinger. 12 bucks well spent.
Decks is powerful, as in sometimes your win cons simply pull you so far ahead it's really tough for an opponent to comeback. The PW create a board state that requires an answer before letting us untap, if they don't it spirals out of control in a few blinks of an eye.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
Both comes into play tapped but EW helps to thin the deck. FS helps with mana fixing.
Both lands ETB tapped but you can get either B or W using the Sanctuary, whereas with Wilds you only get one color of the other.
YMMV but Evolving Wilds is generally more useful in a 3-color deck than it is in a 2-color deck.
Thx for the explanation!
Having lands that produce B and W are paramount in a deck that wants to cast Gideon or Languish in T4. If you're running Abbey's and Blighted Fens, you may find yourself on 2 colorless lands, a plains, and an evolving wilds. Then that Languish that woulda swung the game in your favor is dead in your hands.
The real benefit for Evolving Wilds for us would be if you're using several delerium cards.
For just 1 or 2 cards, it seems suboptimal
Works great for card draws and also as a Fireball to the opponent's face.
If you use it to draw cards early--you always would rather have Read the bones or even painful truths
If you're using it to hit them, It's good only as a finisher. You absolutely don't want to drain most of their life, and then load their hands.
If you're using it to draw cards late--you're either A. Low on Life, or B. Have stablized and taken over the board, and it's a win more.
Anyonehere has the same issues? Should i increase the land count by 1?
I went down to 3 Read the Bones to add in a 26th land. Otherwise, using the stock list from Manfield's GP NY win
Playing the creatureless version is allowing some easy game one wins. I think these decks may want more ruinous path either main deck or at least in the sideboard, because I am seeing Gideon and Nissa everywhere.
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Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
Plus, it gives us a nice curve.
2cmc removal, 3cmc IO, 4cmc Languish.
I might consider having it MD, but most of my meta is aggro and that matchup doesn't really require it so I keep it SB.
Twitter: twitter.com/axmanonline
Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
Transgress the mind
Infinite obliteration targeting goblin dark-dwellers.
Not every deck has a good target. It's good in the board vs certain matchups.
In theory, the best targets are World Breaker and Ulamog, but ramp decks board into a lot of smaller threats. And they often take World Breaker out.
On Avacyn and Kaitas MD:
Against Ramp, soemtimes, and I mean just...sometimes, you flash in Gideon into, Angels, into Secure...that usually does it. She can pressure ramp decks that aren't set up to deal with 4.4 fylers that flip into 6/5 beat sticks. Not saying the ramp match up is good, (because it is no cake walk) but she does help.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
You've got 2 options vs Dark Dwellers.
1. Out Card-Advantage them. Multiple RTB, and Sticking an Ob Nixilis for several turns will get you there against anything.
2. Jund and Grixis don't have a lot of ways to deal with Secure the Wastes into Westvale Abbey.
One of the best players at my LGS is on Jund Midrange, and flipping an abbey almost always gets me there. The other games I've won, there's a lot of Ob Nixilis involved.
I might start streaming next week.
Twitter: twitter.com/axmanonline
Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=13277&writer=Seth Manfield&articledate=5-18-2016
I found his update and videos about sideboarding were super helpful
I don't know. We are running a couple of sexy new cards from the latest set (Sorin, Grim Nemesis and Westvale Abbey), we have a GP win with Seth Mansfield's build, and the deck is Tier 1 and solid. Maybe grindy, removal heavy, creature-light or creatureless control decks don't have the same level of prestige as other decks.