With Kaladesh coming out, I'm losing a few cards but not, I think, enough to keep the deck from staying viable. Elvish Visionary, Nissa, Vastwood Seer, Dragonlord Atarka, and Silkwrap are all rotating from out of the main deck. Tragic Arrogance is moving out of the board. Skipping over Elvish Visionary for a moment, Nissa was actually very strong in the deck. Not just for the mana stabilizing, but for the ability to throw out a big 4/4. That 4/4 token is one of the biggest reasons I hate to see her go, and one reason I can't just plug in Pilgrim's Eye in her slot. Looking over the Kaladesh spoiler, one card jumps out at me that may fit the bill. Cultivator's Caravan provides early mana fixing, and a 5/5 body mid to late game. Visionary could easily become another Selfless Spirit. I got great value out of saccing the spirit to flip my Avacyn. Right now, there are so many options to replace Dragonlord Atarka, but the overwhelming factor has to be my ability to recast it after Nahiri. With my experience with the deck, that leaves out ultimate bombs like Emrakul and Ulamog. I am leaning towards either Verdurous Gearhulk and Combustable Gearhulk.
My first draft of the new deck is going to look like this, I think:
I totally hear what you're saying, but I'm not ready to give up on this deck just yet though. I had another idea that is trickier but could be worth it. Instead of the Gearhulks, I could have the Gisela, Bruna, Thalia's Lieutenant package. If I could ultimate Nahiri into Gisela, and cast Bruna on the same turn, the eot meld ability would make Nahiri's return to hand ability fizzle.
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I don't always play Jank, but when I do, I play Saffronolive.
I was previously playing a Temur Dragons list and since most of it will rotate I started thinking whether to move to Abzan or Naya, since I wanted to keep playing green and wanted to play Gisela, the broken blade and company. I mostly decided to build a list in red since Liliana, the last hope is too expensive and if I'm going to spend some bucks Chandra, torch of defiance seems more valuable to me, especially because I play UR in modern and Liliana looks more like a standard staple. This is the list I'm working on:
The only thing I personally don't like is that it doesn't have access to counter spells or discard of any form, hopefully the meta won't be as unforgiving as IMO only collective brutality seems efficient enough and the best counter spell right now is Ceremonious Rejection.
Edit: Also I'm giving Devour in FLames and a third copy of Chandra (I just pre-ordered 2) some thought.
I'm considering returning to walking the Naya Walkers route, but the (implied) prevalence of Smuggler's Copter renders that strategy pretty null. Harnessed Lightning, Nahiri, the Harbinger and Stasis Snare are all attractive options to play against it, but I'm just not as convinced. I like sticking to the Legendary plan and adding Verdurous Gearhulk, but I'm also considering a more spell-heavy version to bring back Goblin Dark-Dwellers into play.
The color combination really gives a lot of choices to dig from.
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That's somewhat meta dependent, the emerge deck will still be around and I think we're getting a variant with eldritch evolution so it's important to see wheter it will fold to w/b control, there's also the vehicles deck and and maybe some form of grixis or rakdos control due unlincensed disintegration. Although it seems that a walkers deck would fold to sumuggler's copter it depends if the deck can stand against the rest of the meta. I doubt we'll get a deck as oppresive as bant company since we have a couple of extra tools to deal with it.
im going this route and during simulations runs awesome, the mana is just right but replacing dromoka´s commmand the nissas and the whole siboard is a pain.
im going this route and during simulations runs awesome, the mana is just right but replacing dromoka´s commmand the nissas and the whole siboard is a pain.
the list goes:
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any thoughts to improve the deck?
Disclaimer: the deck its not mine, is from a Japanese player during a hareruya tournament
Thanks for sharing it! I need to sort it first, though.
I vote for adding Oath of Chandra. It's a decent rate for early creatures. Not so good against vehicles, but as far as having early plays go, you could do worse things.
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[quote from="asakurazero »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/deck-creation-standard/757349-kld-naya-midrange?comment=7"]im going this route and during simulations runs awesome, the mana is just right but replacing dromoka´s commmand the nissas and the whole siboard is a pain.
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Thoughts:
Format could be aggro early. Another 2 drop?
No Bruna is interesting
Radiant Flames?
Good point Bruna was shunned because it was my 61 card (yes im those) since i didnt knew what to cut, and this deck have combo shenanigans to meld bruna and gisella.
In the actual deck yes i have 2 Radiant flames on the sideboard
Good 2 drops are Voltaic brawler and noose constrictor both are great against opponents sylvan advocates, noose is awesome to enable delirium fast.
I vote for adding Oath of Chandra. It's a decent rate for early creatures. Not so good against vehicles, but as far as having early plays go, you could do worse things.
sure i have some friends saying that I should add Oath of chandra maybe replacing Collective defiance (early RR is hard)
Now in what should i cut? I have a LOT of 3 mana creatures, my plan now would be cutting 2 Pilgrim´s eye for 1 more feligree familiar and one bruna
Or
Cut the eyes and thalia then add 3 Voltaic brawler/noose constrictor. I dont like cutting thalia she is good disrupting tempo, she even helps with the Smugglers Copter if she is on curve and playing first.
Or drop the meld shenanigans and drop powerfull stuff ASAP like the red gearhulk
All my local players are experimenting things trying to find what works and what doesn't, so this is me following suit. Let me know what you think about it.
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I really liked the legendary naya deck from last season that used thalia's Lancers and a bunch of one of legendarides to search up. With the rotation of creature nissa and the dragonlords, it just doesn't have the same power or value. The gearhulks are great but they work in a different kind of deck. I switched to a naya control list.
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The version I was playing was this:
1 Elvish Visionary
4 Sylvan Advocate
2 Selfless Spirit
3 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
4 Tireless Tracker
4 Archangel Avacyn
1 Linvala, the Preserver
2 Dragonlord Atarka
Spells: 15
1 Chandra, Flamecaller
3 Nahiri, the Harbinger
1 Radiant Flames
4 Oath of Nissa
2 Silkwrap
4 Stasis Snare
6 Forest
1 Mountain
5 Plains
1 Battlefield Forge
1 Canopy Vista
4 Evolving Wilds
3 Cinder Glade
2 Needle Spires
1 Fortified Village
1 Mountain
1 Silkwrap
3 Radiant Flames
3 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Deathcap Cultivator
1 Malevolent Whispers
2 Tragic Arrogance
1 Lambholt Pacifist
1 Clip Wings
With Kaladesh coming out, I'm losing a few cards but not, I think, enough to keep the deck from staying viable. Elvish Visionary, Nissa, Vastwood Seer, Dragonlord Atarka, and Silkwrap are all rotating from out of the main deck. Tragic Arrogance is moving out of the board. Skipping over Elvish Visionary for a moment, Nissa was actually very strong in the deck. Not just for the mana stabilizing, but for the ability to throw out a big 4/4. That 4/4 token is one of the biggest reasons I hate to see her go, and one reason I can't just plug in Pilgrim's Eye in her slot. Looking over the Kaladesh spoiler, one card jumps out at me that may fit the bill. Cultivator's Caravan provides early mana fixing, and a 5/5 body mid to late game. Visionary could easily become another Selfless Spirit. I got great value out of saccing the spirit to flip my Avacyn. Right now, there are so many options to replace Dragonlord Atarka, but the overwhelming factor has to be my ability to recast it after Nahiri. With my experience with the deck, that leaves out ultimate bombs like Emrakul and Ulamog. I am leaning towards either Verdurous Gearhulk and Combustable Gearhulk.
My first draft of the new deck is going to look like this, I think:
4 Sylvan Advocate
3 Selfless Spirit
3 Cultivator's Caravan
4 Tireless Tracker
4 Archangel Avacyn
1 Linvala, the Preserver
2 Verdurous Gearhulk
Spells: 15
1 Chandra, Flamecaller
3 Nahiri, the Harbinger
1 Radiant Flames
4 Oath of Nissa
2 Incendiary Flow
4 Stasis Snare
6 Forest
1 Mountain
5 Plains
2 Canopy Vista
4 Evolving Wilds
3 Cinder Glade
2 Needle Spires
1 Fortified Village
1 Mountain
1 Incendiary Flow
3 Radiant Flames
3 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Deathcap Cultivator
1 Malevolent Whispers
2 Cataclysmic Gearhulk
1 Lambholt Pacifist
1 Clip Wings
CCL Winner- July '08, Aug '08 Sept '08, Oct '08
Survivor- CCS: Lost in Takenuma, CCS: Stranded In Tolaria
CCL Winner- July '08, Aug '08 Sept '08, Oct '08
Survivor- CCS: Lost in Takenuma, CCS: Stranded In Tolaria
1x Canopy Vista
1x Cinder Glade
2x Evolving Wilds
4x Forest
3x Fortified Village
3x Game Trail
2x Inspiring Vantage
3x Mountain
4x Needle Spires
2x Plains
2x Archangel Avacyn
2x Bruna, the Fading Light
4x Duskwatch Recruiter
4x Gisela, the Broken Blade
4x Sylvan Advocate
4x Tireless Tracker
Sorcery 8
4x Declaration in Stone
4x Incendiary Flow
Enchantment 4
4x Oath of Chandra
Instant 1
1x Pulse of Murasa
2x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1x Appetite for the Unnatural
2x Cataclysmic Gearhulk
2x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2x Nissa, Vital Force
3x Oath of Gideon
2x Pulse of Murasa
3x Radiant Flames
The only thing I personally don't like is that it doesn't have access to counter spells or discard of any form, hopefully the meta won't be as unforgiving as IMO only collective brutality seems efficient enough and the best counter spell right now is Ceremonious Rejection.
Edit: Also I'm giving Devour in FLames and a third copy of Chandra (I just pre-ordered 2) some thought.
The color combination really gives a lot of choices to dig from.
Standard: N G A W Y R A
Commander: G U B Damia
the list goes:
2x Arlinn Kord
2x Blessed Alliance
1x Canopy Vista
1x Chandra, Flamecaller
4x Cinder Glade
2x Collective Effort
1x Combustible Gearhulk
2x Declaration in Stone
3x Evolving Wilds
3x Filigree Familiar
4x Forest
3x Fortified Village
2x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
3x Gisela, the Broken Blade
3x Inspiring Vantage
1x Mountain
2x Nahiri, the Harbinger
2x Needle Spires
2x Pilgrim's Eye
3x Plains
4x Sylvan Advocate
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3x Tireless Tracker
3x Traverse the Ulvenwald
2x Declaration in Stone
1x Linvala, the Preserver
2x Sigarda, Heron's Grace
2x Stasis Snare
any thoughts to improve the deck?
Disclaimer: the deck its not mine, is from a Japanese player during a hareruya tournament
Lol I just remembered Blessed Alliance is a thing! If you play 2-3 main board vehicles shouldn't be a problem
Thanks for sharing it! I need to sort it first, though.
4 Sylvan Advocate
3 Filigree Familiar
2 Pilgrim's Eye
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Tireless Tracker
3 Gisela, the Broken Blade
2 Archangel Avacyn
1 Combustible Gearhulk
Spells
3 Traverse the Ulvenwald
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Declaration in Stone
2 Collective Effort
2 Arlinn Kord
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Nahiri, the Harbinger
1 Chandra, Flamecaller
1 Canopy Vista
4 Cinder Glade
3 Evolving Wilds
4 Forest
3 Fortified Village
3 Inspiring Vantage
1 Mountain
2 Needle Spires
3 Plains
2 Declaration in Stone
1 Linvala, the Preserver
2 Sigarda, Heron's Grace
2 Stasis Snare
Thoughts:
RNA Standard: Grixis Midrange, Jund Deathwhirler, Sultai Vannifar
GRN Standard: Red Midrange, Mono-Blue Tempo, Wr Aggro, Gruul Experimental Dinosaurs, Sultai Midrange, Jeskai Midrange
Modern: Bant Spirits
Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.
Standard: N G A W Y R A
Commander: G U B Damia
Good point Bruna was shunned because it was my 61 card (yes im those) since i didnt knew what to cut, and this deck have combo shenanigans to meld bruna and gisella.
In the actual deck yes i have 2 Radiant flames on the sideboard
Good 2 drops are Voltaic brawler and noose constrictor both are great against opponents sylvan advocates, noose is awesome to enable delirium fast.
sure i have some friends saying that I should add Oath of chandra maybe replacing Collective defiance (early RR is hard)
Now in what should i cut? I have a LOT of 3 mana creatures, my plan now would be cutting 2 Pilgrim´s eye for 1 more feligree familiar and one bruna
Or
Cut the eyes and thalia then add 3 Voltaic brawler/noose constrictor. I dont like cutting thalia she is good disrupting tempo, she even helps with the Smugglers Copter if she is on curve and playing first.
Or drop the meld shenanigans and drop powerfull stuff ASAP like the red gearhulk
my sideboard would be looking like this ATM
1 Declaration in Stone
1 Linvala, the Preserver
2 Sigarda, Heron's Grace
2 Stasis Snare
2 Cataclysmic Gearhulk
2 Radiant Flames
3 Fragmentize
2 Fumigate
1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1x Arlinn Kord
1x Nahiri, the Harbinger
1x Chandra, Flamecaller
4x Sylvan Advocate
4x Servant of the Conduit
2x Archangel Avacyn
2x Verdurous Gearhulk
2x Bristling Hydra
3x Fleetwheel Cruiser
2x Tireless Tracker
2x Declaration in Stone
4x Harnessed Lightning
3x Oath of Nissa
2x Attune with Aether
3x Forest
1x Mountain
2x Cinder Glade
1x Fortified Village
2x Needle Spires
1x Game Trail
2x Inspiring Vantage
2x Canopy Vista
4x Aether Hub
3x Evolving Wilds
2x Radiant Flames
1x Cataclysmic Gearhulk
1x Pulse of Murasa
1x Fumigate
2x Stasis Snare
1x Quarantine Field
2x Appetite for the Unnatural
2x Gisela, the Broken Blade
1x Linvala, the Preserver
1x Bruna, the Fading Light
1x Sigarda, Heron's Grace
All my local players are experimenting things trying to find what works and what doesn't, so this is me following suit. Let me know what you think about it.
Standard: N G A W Y R A
Commander: G U B Damia
2x Tireless Tracker
2x Archangel Avacyn
3x Verdurous Gearhulk
2x Skywhaler's Shot
4x Declaration in Stone
3x Radiant Flames
1x Fumigate
4x Oath of Nissa
3x Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
3x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2x Nahiri, the Harbinger
2x Chandra, Flamecaller
3x Plains
1x Mountain
4x Evolving Wilds
2x Inspiring Vantage
3x Needle Spire
3x Cinder Glade
1x Canopy Vista
3x Fortified Village
1x Game Trail
1x Cataclysmic Gearhulk
1x Linvala the Preserver
2x Stasis Snare
2x Make a Stand
2x Gideon's Reproach
2x Fumigate
2x Nissa, Vital Force
2x Appetite for the Unnatural
1x Descend Upon the Sinful