Could/should we look at a 1of Emrakul?
I'd love to fit in a Geier Reach Sanitarium and Murder but not sure what to cut for either. Are they worth it in peoples opinion.
Could/should we look at a 1of Emrakul?
I'd love to fit in a Geier Reach Sanitarium and Murder but not sure what to cut for either. Are they worth it in peoples opinion.
This type of deck tends to try to be faster than decks that are running Emrakul. You could always give it shot and see how you like it.
murder does not kill Emrakul. But you can always fire it off in response to Elder Deep-fiend
Geier Reach Sanitarium is not something I am interested in. As I never like enabling card draw for my opponent. However give it a go. Perhaps it works out for you.
So after tonight, I've been turned off this deck for a bit.
R1 vs BWu Control
G1 I kept a decent hand and applied a lot of pressure. He was on one twice this game, but flooded out and he started topping consecutive walkers
G2 see G1, but he ripped everything. I was constantly looking at his hand and taking the relevant card, but then he'd rip whatever he needed from the top.
R2 vs BW Legends
G1 I kept a 2 lander on the play and saw my 3rd land when he had 7 out. Next turn he Briselaed me.
G2 I kept a 2 lander and drew out or it, then kept drawing land and discard spells to him ripping relevant creatures he could play. Got walled by the damn 0/13 tree all game too.
Dropped b/c of basketball but was able to have a game vs GW tokens who was also 0-2 (smashed it). Managed to T4 Mindbender with Reshaper.
Thoughts
I think it was just bad luck, but I always seemed to run out of steam and not be able to put enough pressure on early. Probs a bit top heavy and controlly.
This can do some fun things like turn 2collective brutality, discarding Drownyard temple to make them discard a card and give a creature -2/-2. accelerate turn 3 into a turn 4 reality smasher. Or the good old "turn 3 matter Reshaper turn 4 emerge distended Mindbender.
I was originally going with Whispers of Emrakul main which is why I have Terrarion, Sinister Concoction, and evolving wilds. But I put whispers in the side and still like the power of the deck. I use sea gate wreckage and asylum visitor for card drawing, and once my opponent's hand is empty I start going with Geier reach sanitarium for filtering. My deck has a decent early game strategy, a solid mid game, and staying power.
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My record was not all that great but the deck was still fun to play. Liliana is a powerhouse in this deck. Putting her on the field from a Matter Reshaper trigger, ticking her down, and grabbing a Smasher is crazy
There has been talk around here about adding a another color. Specifically W. However, that makes the deck more control/midrange. Where as the goal with this deck, at least for me, is to beat down. What I learned most from game day is how powerful the G Golgari B decks are.
In turn this is prompting me to explore G in the deck.
This will allow replacing the soon rotating Hangarback with Sylvan Advocate. Which, overall, is a better t2 play. Endbringer can be replaced by the following: Gaea's Revenge. Yes it too is leaving soon But ***** its only .50c Endbringer is great. But a bit slow to get going. Gaea comes out of the gates hard and fast and can very hard to stop. Baloth Null is another great option Plated Crusher deals a pounding and is resistant to blockers and kill spells like Murder World Breaker... yeah that guy too.
After playing around with green for Sylvan Advocate and Catacomb Sifter, I decided that I did not like that setup. Its creature heavy with lots of great Matter Reshaper targets. But its a creature heavy list. Which turns out not be the greatest in some match ups. Good against some but not others like Bant CoCo and Zombies.
So back to straight up B Black / Devoid C
This list has been performing better and has been a lot fun to play.
It offers a variety of hand and field control while still having an aggressive slant.
The core creatures still remain Reshaper, Seer, and Smasher. While flex slots of Endbringer and Endless One could be other offerings such as Slaughter Drone or Kalitas.
Liliana is strong here cycling back Seers and Smashers from the graveyard.
Having Liliana, Thought-Knot Seer, Reality Smasher, and Ob Nixilis roaming the battlefield puts our enemy into a freighting position.
In testing, marquee wins included U/R Spells, Temur Emerge, and B/W Angels.
A list of this came 7th at an SCG Invitational (Justin Marion was the pilot) over the weekend. Looks interesting, by the fact it's more high end than an aggroish list.
How has Destended Mindbender been for you? Although I hate to say it, I have not played this card or even tested it. Despite owning a foil play set. Liliana is in fact great in this deck. I run 2x and it could be 3x. She is great at getting back a Seer or a Smasher.
In my experience I have not had too much trouble with planes walkers sticking around Smasher really helps fight them. Along with Bearer of Silence.
Your non creature spell is nice mix. Collective Brutality looks good there.
Perhaps you could drop the Wasteland Strangler for 2x Liliana and 1x Smasher to go up to full 4x. Though I do understand that Strangler is good.
In my opinion these lists should included a full 4x of the Tri Force Crew: Matter Reshaper, Reality Smasher, Thought-knot Seer.
Finally, with the exit of painlands, mana fixing could become more difficult. However Corrupted Crossroads and Crumbling Vestige still exists. And there a couple of new cards that will bring mana fixing.
Thanks for your notes. I believe I can move the stranglers to the Side and try it your way.
I just wonder if it will be then enough early drops to feed the Mindbender too. But I guess testing will tell.
For now I am trying two lillis in place of one Strangler and one Transgress, which are moved to the side now. And already its recursion ability has won me a game once.
About the Distended Mindbender. It's very good when you are able to cast it on turn 4. It can't be 'spell-quelled' and I don't see it being bad against any deck other than hyper aggressive aggro right now. Against decks like UR spells, Company and other types of aggro it mostly will hit one card up to 3 cmc, but that's still good enough because it you'll pick up the bes card from their hand and leave a body behind. Against controls and slower midrange decks it is just great.
For all those delirium-graveyard decks sometimes it feels like you are just feeding their grave by discarding this Ishkanah or Emrakul. But still it slows them down a bit, as they need to pick the card from grayveyard somehow first. And this turn or two more is mostly enough for us to trample with smashers.
The best combo is of course with Reshaper, but I included more fodder (Crawlers and Stranglers), for him to be able to enter battlefield turn 4.
About the new mana base I am glad they spoiled Aether Hub recently. It might be what we need to keep up with colored and colorless mana in the deck. Just wonder if any energy enabling spells will be needed for it to work consistently.
BTW: It is only my second post here. So hello all!
Yes Hello Thornis and Welcome! From the sounds of it, you have a deck list that works for you. By all means keep and dont change for the sake of change on my suggestion.
How do you like Hedron Crawler? Have you considered Eternal Scourge?
I did add 2x Mindbender to my list for FNM. The best play of the night was a turn 4 Seer > t5 Mindbender emerging from Seer. When I passed the turn, my opponent Reflector Maged Mindbender! Then I t6 Seer > t7 Mindbender emerged from Seer. Haha that was nuts.
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2x Blighted Fen
4x Caves of Koilos
4x Llanowar Wastes
1x Mirrorpool
1x Rogue's Passage
2x Ruins of Oran-Rief
1x Sea Gate Wreckage
10x Swamp
Instant (4)
4x Grasp of Darkness
Creature (21)
1x Endbringer
4x Hangarback Walker
2x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
4x Matter Reshaper
4x Reality Smasher
4x Thought-Knot Seer
2x Distended Mindbender
2x Languish
2x Read the Bones
2x Transgress the Mind
Planeswalker (1)
1x Ob Nixilis Reignited
3x Liliana, The Last Hope
2x Infinite Obliteration
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2x Languish
2x Pitiless Horde
2x Ruinous Path
2x Transgress the Mind
2x Ultimate Price
2x Virulent Plague
Could/should we look at a 1of Emrakul?
I'd love to fit in a Geier Reach Sanitarium and Murder but not sure what to cut for either. Are they worth it in peoples opinion.
murder does not kill Emrakul. But you can always fire it off in response to Elder Deep-fiend
Geier Reach Sanitarium is not something I am interested in. As I never like enabling card draw for my opponent. However give it a go. Perhaps it works out for you.
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R1 vs BWu Control
G1 I kept a decent hand and applied a lot of pressure. He was on one twice this game, but flooded out and he started topping consecutive walkers
G2 see G1, but he ripped everything. I was constantly looking at his hand and taking the relevant card, but then he'd rip whatever he needed from the top.
R2 vs BW Legends
G1 I kept a 2 lander on the play and saw my 3rd land when he had 7 out. Next turn he Briselaed me.
G2 I kept a 2 lander and drew out or it, then kept drawing land and discard spells to him ripping relevant creatures he could play. Got walled by the damn 0/13 tree all game too.
Dropped b/c of basketball but was able to have a game vs GW tokens who was also 0-2 (smashed it). Managed to T4 Mindbender with Reshaper.
Thoughts
I think it was just bad luck, but I always seemed to run out of steam and not be able to put enough pressure on early. Probs a bit top heavy and controlly.
3x Sinister Concoction
4x Matter Reshaper
4x Thought-Knot Seer
4x Reality Smasher
3x Distended Mindbender
3x Asylum Visitor
3x Terrarion
3x Liliana, the Last Hope
2x Spatial Contortion
2x Collective Brutality
4x Drownyard Temple
2x Sea Gate Wreckage
2x Geier Reach Sanitarium
2x Blighted Fen
2x Mortuary Mire
1x Wastes
8x Swamp
4x Evolving Wilds
2x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
3x To the Slaughter
2x Whispers of Emrakul
2x Read the Bones
3x Warping Wail
This can do some fun things like turn 2collective brutality, discarding Drownyard temple to make them discard a card and give a creature -2/-2. accelerate turn 3 into a turn 4 reality smasher. Or the good old "turn 3 matter Reshaper turn 4 emerge distended Mindbender.
I was originally going with Whispers of Emrakul main which is why I have Terrarion, Sinister Concoction, and evolving wilds. But I put whispers in the side and still like the power of the deck. I use sea gate wreckage and asylum visitor for card drawing, and once my opponent's hand is empty I start going with Geier reach sanitarium for filtering. My deck has a decent early game strategy, a solid mid game, and staying power.
Here is the deck list that I ran on Game Day:
4 Hangarback Walker
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
2 Endbringer
2 Endless One
2 Liliana, The Last Hope
Spells
2 Ultimate Price
4 Grasp of Darkness
4 Ruinous Path
4 Transgress the Mind
Lands
4 Llanowar Wastes
4 Caves of Koilos
2 Ruins of Oran-Rief
1 Blighted Fen
1 Rogue's Passage
2 Sea Gate Wreckage
10 Swamp
I decided to take out anything that could straight out die to Liliana, The Last Hope +1. That included Hedron Crawler and Bearer of Silence. Hangarback Walker is good against Liliana. And generally is still a good creature. Although it continues to get worse. Incendiary Flow is an example.
My record was not all that great but the deck was still fun to play. Liliana is a powerhouse in this deck. Putting her on the field from a Matter Reshaper trigger, ticking her down, and grabbing a Smasher is crazy
There has been talk around here about adding a another color. Specifically W. However, that makes the deck more control/midrange. Where as the goal with this deck, at least for me, is to beat down. What I learned most from game day is how powerful the G Golgari B decks are.
In turn this is prompting me to explore G in the deck.
This will allow replacing the soon rotating Hangarback with Sylvan Advocate. Which, overall, is a better t2 play.
Endbringer can be replaced by the following:
Gaea's Revenge. Yes it too is leaving soon But ***** its only .50c Endbringer is great. But a bit slow to get going. Gaea comes out of the gates hard and fast and can very hard to stop.
Baloth Null is another great option
Plated Crusher deals a pounding and is resistant to blockers and kill spells like Murder
World Breaker... yeah that guy too.
To fix the maana, Caves of koilos can be replaced by Hissing Quagmire. Which is also another mana sink and threat
Adding a branch from the GforestG adds immense power to the deck while maintaining an aggressive posisition.
Proposed deck list
4 Sylvan Advocate
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-knot Seer
4 REality Smasher
2 Gaea's Revenge
2 Endless One
1 Pitiless Horde
4 Transgress the Mind
4 Grasp of Darkness
2 Ultimate Price
3 Ruinous Path
Planeswalkers
2 Liliana, the Last Hope
Lands 24
4 Llanowar Wastes
4 Hissing Quagmire
2 Ruins of Oran-Rief
2 Sea Gate Wreckage
1 Blighted Fen
1 Rogue's Passage
8 Swamp
2 Forest
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Current deck configuration:
4 Transgress the Mind
4 Grasp of Darkness
2 Ultimate Price
3 Ruinous Path
3 Read the Bones
Creatures 16
2 Endless One
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
2 Endbringer
2 Liliana, The Last Hope
2 Ob Nixilis Reignited
Lands 24
8 Swamp
4 Llanowar Wastes
2 Caves of Koilos
3 Ruins of Oran-Rief
3 Sea Gate Wreckage
2 Blighted Fen
1 Rogue's Passage
1 MirrorPool
After playing around with green for Sylvan Advocate and Catacomb Sifter, I decided that I did not like that setup. Its creature heavy with lots of great Matter Reshaper targets. But its a creature heavy list. Which turns out not be the greatest in some match ups. Good against some but not others like Bant CoCo and Zombies.
So back to straight up B Black / Devoid C
This list has been performing better and has been a lot fun to play.
It offers a variety of hand and field control while still having an aggressive slant.
The core creatures still remain Reshaper, Seer, and Smasher. While flex slots of Endbringer and Endless One could be other offerings such as Slaughter Drone or Kalitas.
Liliana is strong here cycling back Seers and Smashers from the graveyard.
Having Liliana, Thought-Knot Seer, Reality Smasher, and Ob Nixilis roaming the battlefield puts our enemy into a freighting position.
In testing, marquee wins included U/R Spells, Temur Emerge, and B/W Angels.
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4 Bearer of Silence
2 Distended Mindbender
3 Eldrazi Mimic
3 Endless One
3 Matter Reshaper
3 Oblivion Sower
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
9 Swamp
3 Blighted Fen
4 Caves of Koilos
2 Mirrorpool
3 Sea Gate Wreckage
4 Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
Spells (8)
4 Titan's Presence
4 Transgress the Mind
1 Distended Mindbender
4 Wasteland Strangler
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
3 Languish
2 Remorseless Punishment
4 Ruinous Path
How has Destended Mindbender been for you? Although I hate to say it, I have not played this card or even tested it. Despite owning a foil play set. Liliana is in fact great in this deck. I run 2x and it could be 3x. She is great at getting back a Seer or a Smasher.
In my experience I have not had too much trouble with planes walkers sticking around Smasher really helps fight them. Along with Bearer of Silence.
Your non creature spell is nice mix. Collective Brutality looks good there.
Perhaps you could drop the Wasteland Strangler for 2x Liliana and 1x Smasher to go up to full 4x. Though I do understand that Strangler is good.
In my opinion these lists should included a full 4x of the Tri Force Crew: Matter Reshaper, Reality Smasher, Thought-knot Seer.
Finally, with the exit of painlands, mana fixing could become more difficult. However Corrupted Crossroads and Crumbling Vestige still exists. And there a couple of new cards that will bring mana fixing.
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How do you like Hedron Crawler? Have you considered Eternal Scourge?
I did add 2x Mindbender to my list for FNM. The best play of the night was a turn 4 Seer > t5 Mindbender emerging from Seer. When I passed the turn, my opponent Reflector Maged Mindbender! Then I t6 Seer > t7 Mindbender emerged from Seer. Haha that was nuts.
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