As the title implies this deck is built to rush the field with huge creatures and just beat face not giving 2 SH**S what you opponent has in their hand. The deck it's self got me 4th out of 30 at my last FNM and 5th the time before that but I want to make it even stronger and bring it up to competitive snuff but please no post say splash red for this or that I love mono green and I feel that it will get far stronger with BotG and the following set.
If anyone fells that this deck would be better as G/R please make an Argument to persuade me to fell how you fell about your thoughts.
yea I like the idea or adding red but not enough to actually sink the money into. The Cash for the above decklist I came from my girlfriends father as a Christmas gift, plus I love the way mono green flows when every I proxy red to try out the G/r versions I see it just feels clunky and inconsistent.
As for the Courser doesn't seem like that great of a card to me yea you get an extra land each turn (That only being if you have a land top deck) but at the same time you give away every card you'll add to your hand. and I've played against some smarta**'s that write down your hand when they play something like thoughtseize or duress. so to me it just means that they'll be writing down every card they see and it'll give my opponents the sharper edge through out the match.
So you would be GR, but aren't because of budget constraints? I'm not sure that the competitive forums are the place for this list.
Just as some suggestions off the top of my head:
Sylvan Carytid provides additional mana acceleration
Burning-Tree Emissary is better than Kalonian Tusker because costing 2 more mana (2 vs 0) is not worth the extra +1/+1 you get. In addition, because it slows you down *so much*, your Nykthos is far worse that a GR Nykthos. T1 Mystic, T2 BTE -> Satyr -> Scryland, T3 Nykthos gives you access to 7 mana on turn 3. The monoG deck can't do anything that broken.
Polukranos is the most egregious deck omission. You need to be able to interact with the opponent's creatures. (Domri also helps here)
vs control decks you want sources of card advantage, particularly planeswalkers. Your list has 3 Garruks. And 2 Nylea. Most lists run ~10 planeswalkers, along with Courser of Kuphrix and Nylea.
Only 22 lands and 4 Sylvan Primordial shows a flagrant disregard for your manacurve. A single sweeper basically prevents you from doing anything.
Anyway, sorry if this criticism seems too harsh to you. Just trying to point out constructively things which seem overlooked in your list.
So you would be GR, but aren't because of budget constraints? I'm not sure that the competitive forums are the place for this list.
Just as some suggestions off the top of my head:
Sylvan Carytid provides additional mana acceleration
Burning-Tree Emissary is better than Kalonian Tusker because costing 2 more mana (2 vs 0) is not worth the extra +1/+1 you get. In addition, because it slows you down *so much*, your Nykthos is far worse that a GR Nykthos. T1 Mystic, T2 BTE -> Satyr -> Scryland, T3 Nykthos gives you access to 7 mana on turn 3. The monoG deck can't do anything that broken.
Polukranos is the most egregious deck omission. You need to be able to interact with the opponent's creatures. (Domri also helps here)
vs control decks you want sources of card advantage, particularly planeswalkers. Your list has 3 Garruks. And 2 Nylea. Most lists run ~10 planeswalkers, along with Courser of Kuphrix and Nylea.
Only 22 lands and 4 Sylvan Primordial shows a flagrant disregard for your manacurve. A single sweeper basically prevents you from doing anything.
Anyway, sorry if this criticism seems too harsh to you. Just trying to point out constructively things which seem overlooked in your list.
Yes to most of your comment but you also forget to take into consideration Local Meta and I haven't really see to many sweeper or control decks in my local meta mostly B/U something or other RDW and I've played 3 different versions and lost to only 1.
Now on to the break down of your comment. T3 Nykthos tapped for 7 I don't see how you came up with this because your devotion count is in the mana COAST of permanents your control, So If you counted you scryland in to your devotion you counted wrong. Now T1- Forest, Elvish Mystic/ T2- BTE, Satyr, and Forest/ T3/ Nykthos, (tapped for 4+ Elf and Satyr) into Garruk (-3 drop any fatty you have in your hand.) So now what was that you were saying about Nykthos coming up short in mono green. because I see it doing the same thing for me that it does for you.
Polukranos, I know what he's capable of I pulled him to test out other cards for a little bit. and along with him I'll be adding 3x Nessian Wilds Ravager and If need be I can add pitfight to SB for more. so I think I'm well set on creature interaction.
(Sorry if that was a little harsh but I just wanted to show how I could poke a giant hole in your theory.)
Yes to most of your comment but you also forget to take into consideration Local Meta and I haven't really see to many sweeper or control decks in my local meta mostly B/U something or other RDW and I've played 3 different versions and lost to only 1.
Wait, so you face a steady diet of RDW and still have that manacurve? sigh. Courser of Kruphix could be good for you in your meta.
Now on to the break down of your comment. T3 Nykthos tapped for 7 I don't see how you came up with this because your devotion count is in the mana COAST of permanents your control, So If you counted you scryland in to your devotion you counted wrong. Now T1- Forest, Elvish Mystic/ T2- BTE, Satyr, and Forest/ T3/ Nykthos, (tapped for 4+ Elf and Satyr) into Garruk (-3 drop any fatty you have in your hand.) So now what was that you were saying about Nykthos coming up short in mono green. because I see it doing the same thing for me that it does for you.
My comment about Nykthos was within the context of your omission of Burning-Tree Emissary. You're unable to cast Garruk on T3 because you are not running BTE in your list.
Polukranos, I know what he's capable of I pulled him to test out other cards for a little bit. and along with him I'll be adding 3x Nessian Wilds Ravager and If need be I can add pitfight to SB for more. so I think I'm well set on creature interaction.
(Sorry if that was a little harsh but I just wanted to show how I could poke a giant hole in your theory.)
That's cool. I'm not sure what theory you think you're refuting (I guess my assertion that you need cards that can interact with the opponent's creatures).
The theory I was speaking of is the one that you need planswalkers to have interaction between creatures and I know I don't run BTE and the reason for this is that I see no real reason to run her, plus I have been unable to find any. and right now this version is only for testing. I'll change the deck to the actul version I was running and then add a BNG version that I'll be running.
red and blue aren't really need I know how prophet helps the deck with a few counterspells and how red gives access to more card advantage with walkers but as for 7 mana turn 3 I only need to get my hands on Bte and I can do it just the same as you guys can. and If you guys think g/r is better why don't you sleeve up my deck and test it before you tell me it isn't worth th time.
I think the issue is that Mono G's weakness is that it's incredibly linear in its play and early removal on your mana dorks or a key Thoughtseize can cripple your options, especially if you're only running 22 lands with multiple 5, 6 and 7 cmc spells that you absolutely want to play. I've played G devotion, RG devotion and UG devotion and all variants are weak to quick removal paired with key hand destruction. Yes, you can get lucky and get a turn 3 Garruk down, but that doesn't happen as often as one would like.
The reason why RG devotion has the biggest following is that it offers a different angle of attack by playing 8+ planes walkers, which helps by providing harder to remove threats, creature removal, card advantage, and ramp.
But, instead of having us tell you why RG is better, since you're championing this deck, why don't you tell us why we should give this a shot over RG or UG. The fact is, that RG and UG have both done well in tournaments, so it's not our job to tell you why they're better.
The theory I was speaking of is the one that you need planswalkers to have interaction between creatures No, you need planeswalkers to be resilient to opposing decks that interact with you by killing your creatures. One of the weaknesses of this deck is that it's just a bunch of creatures and opposing players can trump it with an excess of creature removal. With a bunch o fplaneswalkers you make the deck more resilient to mass removal, since you still have a hard to answer threat on the table.
and I know I don't run BTE and the reason for this is that I see no real reason to run her, plus I have been unable to find any. Yet you 'prove' to me how explosive your deck is by providing a play sequence that includes cards THAT AREN'T IN YOUR DECK. Your logic baffles me.
@Chucifer: well now some one that has points that make a better argument. not say that the previse arguments weren't good it just seemed like they were bashing the deck instead of trying to sway the thoughts of other to splash.
Now why should you give this deck a try well yes it only runs 3 walkers and the creatures fall to spot removal but as a few hit the field and your opponent removes them they lose their removal spells so as the game goes you can start to drop bigger threats whitch they have no answers for. but now I know how much better a red splash runs but I like a bit of a challenge and I like to prove that you don't have to have a crap load of cash to build a tier 1-2 deck.
and before anyone starts to say this card coast this much and this card is this. Know this I traded for most of my cards and others came from buster pack the only cards I bought were the bows nylea's and Experiments. so I have almost no cash put into the deck.
The theory I was speaking of is the one that you need planswalkers to have interaction between creatures No, you need planeswalkers to be resilient to opposing decks that interact with you by killing your creatures. One of the weaknesses of this deck is that it's just a bunch of creatures and opposing players can trump it with an excess of creature removal. With a bunch o fplaneswalkers you make the deck more resilient to mass removal, since you still have a hard to answer threat on the table.
and I know I don't run BTE and the reason for this is that I see no real reason to run her, plus I have been unable to find any. Yet you 'prove' to me how explosive your deck is by providing a play sequence that includes cards THAT AREN'T IN YOUR DECK. Your logic baffles me.
What I was proving isn't how explosive my is I was prove how explosive it can be. If I could find BTE at my local shops I would be just as explosive.
Am I in the wrong part of the competitive forums for my deck or does no one have any thoughts on this?
Sorry to butt in, but as much as I love mono-green devotion/stompy/rush at this point in the thread I think it should be pointed out that you probably shouldn't be posting in the competitive forum. This has absolutely nothing to do with your personal skill, or the power of your deck, but you've started to defend your deck by mentioning how it is more affordable and that isn't supposed to be discussed in the competitive forum.
I think you will find the feedback in the Standard Deck Creation to be much more receptive to your brew.
I run a thread in the standard creation forums I just wanted to see how it would do in competitive as a mono green devotion. I'm looking to start doing local SCG IQs and go from there but as every one here has pointed out it won't make it because it doesn't run red or any other splashed colors.
While I too currently believe that a splash improves the deck (I'm currently running G/R Devotion and would feel lost without Domri Rade or Xenagos, the Reveler), I wouldn't outright say that you should drop mono-green. I'm trying to figure it out too, and my only advice to you right now would be that I would drop the curve. No Arbor Colossus, no Sylvan Primordial, maybe even move Garruk, Caller of Beasts to the sideboard. That way you can best take advantage of green's overwhelming power at the bottom of the curve and consistent mana base so that you can bash face before the incremental card advantage game even takes off.
Mono green devotion is good but splashing any other colour in it makes it more competitive, especially red or blue. I believe most of us here did tried and analyzed the build and it isn't worth the time. It is fun for FNM but not so much in major tournaments. You are welcome to try your build and share your match up analysis. Sure it does like most Gr or Gu Devotion decks does but not enough powerful to be a competitive. How do you deal with Lifebane Zombie ?
I have 2xXenagos, the reveler, I also have 2 of Xenagos's Fanatics, but that's as far as my back stock of red green goes.
I see domari's useage in the deck but I really don't feel that taking 2-4 slots for him is good. if I use courser of kruphix it would some what balance out. and I see a lot of r/g decks only running 2 Xenagos (Walkers) so what other red cards could I add?
I have 2xXenagos, the reveler, I also have 2 of Xenagos's Fanatics, but that's as far as my back stock of red green goes.
I see domari's useage in the deck but I really don't feel that taking 2-4 slots for him is good. if I use courser of kruphix it would some what balance out. and I see a lot of r/g decks only running 2 Xenagos (Walkers) so what other red cards could I add?
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I have 2xXenagos, the reveler, I also have 2 of Xenagos's Fanatics, but that's as far as my back stock of red green goes.
I see domari's useage in the deck but I really don't feel that taking 2-4 slots for him is good. if I use courser of kruphix it would some what balance out. and I see a lot of r/g decks only running 2 Xenagos (Walkers) so what other red cards could I add?
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Budget discussion is strictly forbidden. The objective here is to come up with the best possible deck, and any sort of budget talk only hampers that development. For the sake of the discussion, please pretend that you have all the required cards for the deck in question. Budget discussion is, for this forum, defined as any card availability issues whatsoever, regardless of the value of the rest of the deck in question (if applicable).
I have read the forum rules and how is the comment you quoted budget talk I was clearing sating that I do not wish to use Domri. and stated what I own at the moment and asked at else I could buy to help me splash red. But I gues you're just one of those people that don't like new comers, just walking in and asking same questions and shooting down what you tell them they have to do because your opinion is better then theirs is.
But don't worry I'll go back to standard constructed and convers with the players there.
In Theros mono green was fine FNM second-class deck. BNG does not bring nothing that could help and things like Courser you can also fit in G/R devotion and G/U devotion which is even better with several improvements for red and blue like Xenagos god, Fnatic of Xen. or even Kiora which is to be tested for now.
In brief, yes mong gets Courser, but GR and GU gets Courser and also few other. Why mono green would suddenly become better than them?
It's not surprising that you're getting indignant responses given you're consistently ignoring feedback or responding to it with passive aggressive comments. It's obvious that your reasons for playing this list are budget related because you've admitted as such - attempting to pretend otherwise now is ridiculous. If you want to argue the case for a mono green devotion build that's fine, try focusing on it's strengths such as mana consistency and then back up your arguments with data from tournaments and testing. Don't walk into the forum where card availability is not supposed to be a factor, admit your deck is built this way because of that very reason, then react aggressively to all responses that appear to even slightly criticise your deck.
This entire thread is just you trying to plug your brew, and this isn't the place for it.
Your right I apologize for my behavior here it is un becoming of any magic player. I should have known the reactions my deck was going to get and had back up to fight my decks abilities and not try to pick arguments when someone would criticize them.
My deck has done well the way it was and has gotten better since I first posted it here and got help from the SDC forums. the new build has gone 3-1 losing to a Mono black deck 2-0.
game 1 I thought I had him while he sat at 6 life. with 2 Kalonian Hydras and an Arbor colossus as my beaters with no Nykthos and a forest and Garruk in hand I was ready to win my next turn until he dropped a Nykthos with 5 double black creatures and landed a D demon and Eater of hope sacing four of his creatures to kill my hydras and then thoughtsiezed my Garruk and doombalded my Colossus. I drew a forest and had nothing to fight him off with lost.
game 2 I had him down to 3 life and a full board of mana dorks and played Nykthos with Garruk in to 4 land and a BTE. While he had Nightveil a Gray merchant and Eater of hope. he played an other Gray dropping me to 5 and swong for the win with eater of hope.
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If anyone fells that this deck would be better as G/R please make an Argument to persuade me to fell how you fell about your thoughts.
Now here is my baby.
4x Nykthos, shrine to Nyx
19x Forest
creatures 21/29
3x Experiment one
3x Mistcutter Hydra
4x Elvish Mystic
4x Voyaging Satyr
2x Burning-tree Emissary
3x Witchstalker
2x Kalonian Hydra
2x Courser of Kruphix
2x Arbor Colossus
3x Boon Satyr
Non-Ceature Utility 9
4x Savage Summoning
2x Bow of Nylea
3x Garruk, Caller of Beats
3x Skylasher
3x Unravel the Ether
3x Nylea's Disciple
2x Polukranos, World Eater
4x Bramblecrush
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As for the Courser doesn't seem like that great of a card to me yea you get an extra land each turn (That only being if you have a land top deck) but at the same time you give away every card you'll add to your hand. and I've played against some smarta**'s that write down your hand when they play something like thoughtseize or duress. so to me it just means that they'll be writing down every card they see and it'll give my opponents the sharper edge through out the match.
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Just as some suggestions off the top of my head:
Anyway, sorry if this criticism seems too harsh to you. Just trying to point out constructively things which seem overlooked in your list.
Yes to most of your comment but you also forget to take into consideration Local Meta and I haven't really see to many sweeper or control decks in my local meta mostly B/U something or other RDW and I've played 3 different versions and lost to only 1.
Now on to the break down of your comment. T3 Nykthos tapped for 7 I don't see how you came up with this because your devotion count is in the mana COAST of permanents your control, So If you counted you scryland in to your devotion you counted wrong. Now T1- Forest, Elvish Mystic/ T2- BTE, Satyr, and Forest/ T3/ Nykthos, (tapped for 4+ Elf and Satyr) into Garruk (-3 drop any fatty you have in your hand.) So now what was that you were saying about Nykthos coming up short in mono green. because I see it doing the same thing for me that it does for you.
Polukranos, I know what he's capable of I pulled him to test out other cards for a little bit. and along with him I'll be adding 3x Nessian Wilds Ravager and If need be I can add pitfight to SB for more. so I think I'm well set on creature interaction.
(Sorry if that was a little harsh but I just wanted to show how I could poke a giant hole in your theory.)
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Turn 2 : Burning-Tree Emissary, Voyaging Satyr, Temple of Abandon
Turn 3 : Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, tap Forest, Elvish Mystic and Nykthos for GGGG. Tap Voyaging Satyr, untap Nykthos, GG left, tap for another GGGG so total GGGGGG. One more R or G from Temple of Abandon so total 7 mana on turn 3.
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
Wait, so you face a steady diet of RDW and still have that manacurve? sigh. Courser of Kruphix could be good for you in your meta.
My comment about Nykthos was within the context of your omission of Burning-Tree Emissary. You're unable to cast Garruk on T3 because you are not running BTE in your list.
That's cool. I'm not sure what theory you think you're refuting (I guess my assertion that you need cards that can interact with the opponent's creatures).
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I hadn't noticed your post earlier but in mono green you Temple is a forest we those of us running MGD and get 7 on turn 3 all the same.
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And yet you did not realize how to get 7 mana on turn 3. The deck would be better if it becomes G/r Devotion or G/u Devotion.
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
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The reason why RG devotion has the biggest following is that it offers a different angle of attack by playing 8+ planes walkers, which helps by providing harder to remove threats, creature removal, card advantage, and ramp.
But, instead of having us tell you why RG is better, since you're championing this deck, why don't you tell us why we should give this a shot over RG or UG. The fact is, that RG and UG have both done well in tournaments, so it's not our job to tell you why they're better.
Now why should you give this deck a try well yes it only runs 3 walkers and the creatures fall to spot removal but as a few hit the field and your opponent removes them they lose their removal spells so as the game goes you can start to drop bigger threats whitch they have no answers for. but now I know how much better a red splash runs but I like a bit of a challenge and I like to prove that you don't have to have a crap load of cash to build a tier 1-2 deck.
and before anyone starts to say this card coast this much and this card is this. Know this I traded for most of my cards and others came from buster pack the only cards I bought were the bows nylea's and Experiments. so I have almost no cash put into the deck.
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What I was proving isn't how explosive my is I was prove how explosive it can be. If I could find BTE at my local shops I would be just as explosive.
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Sorry to butt in, but as much as I love mono-green devotion/stompy/rush at this point in the thread I think it should be pointed out that you probably shouldn't be posting in the competitive forum. This has absolutely nothing to do with your personal skill, or the power of your deck, but you've started to defend your deck by mentioning how it is more affordable and that isn't supposed to be discussed in the competitive forum.
I think you will find the feedback in the Standard Deck Creation to be much more receptive to your brew.
for the awesome sig.
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
I see domari's useage in the deck but I really don't feel that taking 2-4 slots for him is good. if I use courser of kruphix it would some what balance out. and I see a lot of r/g decks only running 2 Xenagos (Walkers) so what other red cards could I add?
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From here:
I have read the forum rules and how is the comment you quoted budget talk I was clearing sating that I do not wish to use Domri. and stated what I own at the moment and asked at else I could buy to help me splash red. But I gues you're just one of those people that don't like new comers, just walking in and asking same questions and shooting down what you tell them they have to do because your opinion is better then theirs is.
But don't worry I'll go back to standard constructed and convers with the players there.
for the awesome sig.
In brief, yes mong gets Courser, but GR and GU gets Courser and also few other. Why mono green would suddenly become better than them?
Your right I apologize for my behavior here it is un becoming of any magic player. I should have known the reactions my deck was going to get and had back up to fight my decks abilities and not try to pick arguments when someone would criticize them.
My deck has done well the way it was and has gotten better since I first posted it here and got help from the SDC forums. the new build has gone 3-1 losing to a Mono black deck 2-0.
game 1 I thought I had him while he sat at 6 life. with 2 Kalonian Hydras and an Arbor colossus as my beaters with no Nykthos and a forest and Garruk in hand I was ready to win my next turn until he dropped a Nykthos with 5 double black creatures and landed a D demon and Eater of hope sacing four of his creatures to kill my hydras and then thoughtsiezed my Garruk and doombalded my Colossus. I drew a forest and had nothing to fight him off with lost.
game 2 I had him down to 3 life and a full board of mana dorks and played Nykthos with Garruk in to 4 land and a BTE. While he had Nightveil a Gray merchant and Eater of hope. he played an other Gray dropping me to 5 and swong for the win with eater of hope.
for the awesome sig.