How does this deck handle UW Devotion? There's a lot of Selesnya Aggro at my LGS and I was thinking about throwing together the version that splashes for Ephara and D Sphere
If you want to beat up on a green creature deck, playing Tide Binder Mage and flyers seems like a reasonable idea.
Also if you're considering Judge's Familar to slow down Verdict, don't because Verdict can't be countered anyways.
That's what I get for being awake for close to 21 hours straight... der...
I like X One, but last week during game day I ran Brave and liked the results. But that was when I was using fiendslayers and not witchstalkers.
And true, Skylashers may be much better, no more annoying nightveil specters. I've thought about Unravel instead, but I tend to gravitate to Deicide because I have only seen one artifact played and the rest of the time enhchantment creatures/artifacts are a pain in the posterior.
The deck proved strong through the whole tournament, as Unflinching Courage allowed me to stay ahead on burn and other creature based decks, Skylashers discouraging flyers and even surprising a Stormbreath with a Selesnya Charm, and on to other funsies. Throughout the day I haven't had mana issues and took 2-0 matches except in the final round where I got 2-1 against a Naya midrange deck. So the top 4 slots were:
The deck proved strong through the whole tournament, as Unflinching Courage allowed me to stay ahead on burn and other creature based decks, Skylashers discouraging flyers and even surprising a Stormbreath with a Selesnya Charm, and on to other funsies. Throughout the day I haven't had mana issues and took 2-0 matches except in the final round where I got 2-1 against a Naya midrange deck. So the top 4 slots were:
So I've been playing Jadetigers list for a while now. Deck is incredible and can win so fast. Only deck I have a problem against is the mirror :p. What sideboard choices do you guys normally play in the mirror match?
So I've been playing Jadetigers list for a while now. Deck is incredible and can win so fast. Only deck I have a problem against is the mirror :p. What sideboard choices do you guys normally play in the mirror match?
I think that's what the second post should encompass. In the mirror what I have done is bring in deicide at best.
Here's the real ways I have handled the mirror match:
You know what the deck has, you know where it's strongest. So you need to focus on disrupting the strengths. Soldier of Pantheon blocks 80% of the creatures.
Selesnya charm deals with wurms and not much else. Unless you have 2 Selesnya charms to exile brimaz.
Voice is excellent at stopping most of the aggro and the opponent's reluctant to remove it. So it's a double-edged sword like it is against mono blue. Because more value is used on killing it. It also deals nicely with delaying an EOT wurm.
If you play with Skylasher in sideboard like I do, you might want to pull them out to MB and use as a surprise blocker on a flying double strike dude. I would side out the Voice for these guys. They're highly effective at stopping a lethal strike and open you up to making your own.
Gods Willing can win/lose, depending on circumstances. If you run these, pull them instead of Voice. Round out with Unflinching Courage if need be. It's effective at getting your own back and staying alive against the mirror.
These are just a few tips I learned over the past 3 months playing this deck.
Thanks for the info! Looks like I was on the right track for the most part.
The last couple of FNM's I have played the deck and gone 4-0 in both. I'm not super happy with standard atm, but this deck is something great to just beat down with and win fast.
So I've playing Jadetigers list for a while now. Deck is incredible and can win so fast. Only deck I have a problem against is the mirror :p. What sideboard choices do you guys normally play in the mirror match?
Unflinching courageto race them, glare of Hersey works for me
@ Kaiyla Han
You said you won a PTQ in Manteca, CA?
Are you sure you didn't mean a Grand Prix Trial?
PTQs qualify you for the Pro Tour.
Grand Prix Trials award you a 2-round bye for the next GP.
(The current ptq season is Modern, the last ptq season was sealed, and the season before that was standard, which was a pretty long time ago.)
That's what I meant... grand prix o.o;;
There was a PTQ in Sac for Modern this weekend but it was so packed it was standing room. I didn't play.
In other news (reason why I edited) Is I updated post 1 and post 3. Adding sideboard options and matchups. I would like to see your thoughts on them so far and what else to add in.
For your sideboarding thing don't forget Bx Devotion.
I haven't. I'm still working on it
Against the Mono Blue matchup throwing an unflinching courage on skylasher is usually game over. This was a line Andrew Strout noted when we had his short streak with G/W aggro. From my own experience I agree.
Against Red I am just looking to race them then land a timely unflinching courage with gods willing backup if possible.
Jund Monsters plays hard removal so unflinching courage seems less attractive, but if you are intent on putting it on a witchstalker then that’s different .
Siding out fleeceman against control seems crazy, considering it can go indestructible and hexproof
Against the mirror courage is good of course and glare of hersey is awesome. I don’t agree with the skylasher plan to block an ajani jump.
How Sexy is Golgari charm for a G/W/b aggro deck? The main reason for its inclusion is to replace rootborn defenses but at that same time takes care of other needs as well, such as:
killing Whip of Erobos. I SB 2 banishing light for this exact reason, that opens up sideboard space inwhich we could use to board in some hard removal like putrefy (mono Blue anthem).
Against control decks this card should be a 4 of and could not only counter their wrath spells but also destroy and spheres, banishing lights, elspeth tokens, "fog" and aetherling as an 8/1 or kill a nyx-fleece ram (if they board like that).
Against Jund Monster it protects against overloaded mizzium mortars and other removal, kills Courser, elves, and after their carytid blocks your voice of resurgence you can kill it.
Against Mono Red, like the decklist from the last SCG event, it can kill multiple creatures.
its good against hexproof.
I just think its SO good and I wanna play with it.
My mock list splashing black for it is such:
the 2 main deck courages are to try and off set the loss of life due to all the shocks. Against I did not want to deviate too much from my main deck G/W aggro list that I have had some success with.
Won State Champs.
16th in the Somerset Open.
In the Colombus Invi faced Mono-Blue twice and scrubbed out (got unreal unlucky all around).
Made room for 4 Skylashers and the 3rd Mistcutter Hydra overnight.
12th in the Colombus Open.
Not much of a "ringer" with no top 8s.
Skipping GP Chicago, not sure when my next big event will be.
Edit:
Just took a look at Redirus91's link... they even keep track of my IQ finishes? LOL
So now we've seen Garruk's Packleader is being reprinted in M15, could that be what Selesnya Midrange needs to be really good (for a month lol)? It triggers pretty much off everything with cmc 3+ (and even on a Fleecemane Lion/Call of the Conclave) and we can keep populating Centaurs/Wurms to get more and more draws off it. My build is token-oriented midrange with lots of Wurm populating.
So now we've seen Garruk's Packleader is being reprinted in M15, could that be what Selesnya Midrange needs to be really good (for a month lol)? It triggers pretty much off everything with cmc 3+ (and even on a Fleecemane Lion/Call of the Conclave) and we can keep populating Centaurs/Wurms to get more and more draws off it. My build is token-oriented midrange with lots of Wurm populating.
I would seriously doubt it doesn't it cost 5 and what would you take out?
Won State Champs.
16th in the Somerset Open.
In the Colombus Invi faced Mono-Blue twice and scrubbed out (got unreal unlucky all around).
Made room for 4 Skylashers and the 3rd Mistcutter Hydra overnight.
12th in the Colombus Open.
Not much of a "ringer" with no top 8s.
Skipping GP Chicago, not sure when my next big event will be.
Edit:
Just took a look at Redirus91's link... they even keep track of my IQ finishes? LOL
So now we've seen Garruk's Packleader is being reprinted in M15, could that be what Selesnya Midrange needs to be really good (for a month lol)? It triggers pretty much off everything with cmc 3+ (and even on a Fleecemane Lion/Call of the Conclave) and we can keep populating Centaurs/Wurms to get more and more draws off it. My build is token-oriented midrange with lots of Wurm populating.
I would seriously doubt it doesn't it cost 5 and what would you take out?
@Bleaknight
When ever you are making a gw deck that goes up the curve, there are a few major hurdles in this format.
How are you going to beat decks with Supreme Verdict / Revelation?
How are you going to beat decks with Doom Blade / Lifebane Zombie?
How are you going to stay alive against Mono-Blue Aggro?
If you are too slow and without a lot of interaction, you give these decks too much time to pick you apart.
Anyways, game 1 is an all in strategy to gain life and outrace the opponent with hexproof creatures, lifelink, and quasi hexproof like Fiendslayer or highly durable Voice. Game 1 against mono blue denies the use of Tidebinder on all but the 4 Voices, which gets sided out for Skylashers on game 2. Against Mono Black, once again hexproof keeps black from touching 12 creatures which I enchant and I never worry about even saccing to the desecration demon (no need to when a Witchstalker with flying and lifelink is wrecking his side of the board unless I want to go in for the final kill). Selesnya Charm has carried me through with sneak attacks, and even they don't expect it.
Ajani's Presence is excellent in SB options vs control decks. Since at most I'm trying to save only 1 or 2 creatures from destruction and 1 white open makes them think brave or gods willing instead. So far I like the results, will let you know how the rest goes from here.
Anyways, game 1 is an all in strategy to gain life and outrace the opponent with hexproof creatures, lifelink, and quasi hexproof like Fiendslayer or highly durable Voice. Game 1 against mono blue denies the use of Tidebinder on all but the 4 Voices, which gets sided out for Skylashers on game 2. Against Mono Black, once again hexproof keeps black from touching 12 creatures which I enchant and I never worry about even saccing to the desecration demon (no need to when a Witchstalker with flying and lifelink is wrecking his side of the board unless I want to go in for the final kill). Selesnya Charm has carried me through with sneak attacks, and even they don't expect it.
Ajani's Presence is excellent in SB options vs control decks. Since at most I'm trying to save only 1 or 2 creatures from destruction and 1 white open makes them think brave or gods willing instead. So far I like the results, will let you know how the rest goes from here.
isnt this just G/W Hexproof, a branch from Naya hexproof?
If you want to beat up on a green creature deck, playing Tide Binder Mage and flyers seems like a reasonable idea.
That's what I get for being awake for close to 21 hours straight... der...
I like X One, but last week during game day I ran Brave and liked the results. But that was when I was using fiendslayers and not witchstalkers.
And true, Skylashers may be much better, no more annoying nightveil specters. I've thought about Unravel instead, but I tend to gravitate to Deicide because I have only seen one artifact played and the rest of the time enhchantment creatures/artifacts are a pain in the posterior.
I took 1st, undefeated the whole way. Now to show off the list that will take me to Chicago.
4 Temple Garden
4 Temple of Plenty
4 Mana Confluence
5 Plains
5 Forest
Creatures: (20)
4 Experiment One
4 Soldier of the Pantheon
4 Fleecemane Lion
4 Voice of Resurgence
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
2 Witchstalker
4 Gods Willing
4 Selesnya Charm
4 Banishing Light
2 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
4 Advent of the Wurm
2 Witchstalker
4 Skylasher
3 Unflinching Courage
3 Deicide
3 Rootborn Defenses
The deck proved strong through the whole tournament, as Unflinching Courage allowed me to stay ahead on burn and other creature based decks, Skylashers discouraging flyers and even surprising a Stormbreath with a Selesnya Charm, and on to other funsies. Throughout the day I haven't had mana issues and took 2-0 matches except in the final round where I got 2-1 against a Naya midrange deck. So the top 4 slots were:
1st - Selesnya Aggro
2nd - Naya Midrange
3rd - B/g Devotion
4th - Mono Green Devotion (Big stuff)
Overall I'm pleased with it and if I can I will be in Chicago to play the deck then.
what event was this?
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GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
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RGPrimeval Titan RIP
1/5/2010 - 9/30/2011
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3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
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Pro Tour Qualifier in Manteca, CA.
Not going to Chicago, costs too much to travel and I don't have time. But I plan to be at the Modern PTQ in Sacramento this weekend
Ah your not to far from me, where you at?
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GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
GWAggro Retired 9/19/2014
RGPrimeval Titan RIP
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Top 4 Channelfireball Winter series 5k Feb. 2011
3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
Find me on MTGO @ Ruslvmusl91
Melira Pod - Modern
I think that's what the second post should encompass. In the mirror what I have done is bring in deicide at best.
Here's the real ways I have handled the mirror match:
You know what the deck has, you know where it's strongest. So you need to focus on disrupting the strengths. Soldier of Pantheon blocks 80% of the creatures.
Selesnya charm deals with wurms and not much else. Unless you have 2 Selesnya charms to exile brimaz.
Voice is excellent at stopping most of the aggro and the opponent's reluctant to remove it. So it's a double-edged sword like it is against mono blue. Because more value is used on killing it. It also deals nicely with delaying an EOT wurm.
If you play with Skylasher in sideboard like I do, you might want to pull them out to MB and use as a surprise blocker on a flying double strike dude. I would side out the Voice for these guys. They're highly effective at stopping a lethal strike and open you up to making your own.
Gods Willing can win/lose, depending on circumstances. If you run these, pull them instead of Voice. Round out with Unflinching Courage if need be. It's effective at getting your own back and staying alive against the mirror.
These are just a few tips I learned over the past 3 months playing this deck.
The last couple of FNM's I have played the deck and gone 4-0 in both. I'm not super happy with standard atm, but this deck is something great to just beat down with and win fast.
Melira Pod - Modern
Unflinching courageto race them, glare of Hersey works for me
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Standard
GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
GWAggro Retired 9/19/2014
RGPrimeval Titan RIP
1/5/2010 - 9/30/2011
Top 4 Channelfireball Winter series 5k Feb. 2011
3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
Find me on MTGO @ Ruslvmusl91
You said you won a PTQ in Manteca, CA?
Are you sure you didn't mean a Grand Prix Trial?
PTQs qualify you for the Pro Tour.
Grand Prix Trials award you a 2-round bye for the next GP.
(The current ptq season is Modern, the last ptq season was sealed, and the season before that was standard, which was a pretty long time ago.)
That's what I meant... grand prix o.o;;
There was a PTQ in Sac for Modern this weekend but it was so packed it was standing room. I didn't play.
In other news (reason why I edited) Is I updated post 1 and post 3. Adding sideboard options and matchups. I would like to see your thoughts on them so far and what else to add in.
I haven't. I'm still working on it
Against the Mono Blue matchup throwing an unflinching courage on skylasher is usually game over. This was a line Andrew Strout noted when we had his short streak with G/W aggro. From my own experience I agree.
Against Red I am just looking to race them then land a timely unflinching courage with gods willing backup if possible.
Jund Monsters plays hard removal so unflinching courage seems less attractive, but if you are intent on putting it on a witchstalker then that’s different .
Siding out fleeceman against control seems crazy, considering it can go indestructible and hexproof
Against the mirror courage is good of course and glare of hersey is awesome. I don’t agree with the skylasher plan to block an ajani jump.
For decklist there is a Starcity game ‘ringer’ Andrew Boswell that has done well numerous times. http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/deckshow.php?p_first=Andrew&p_last=Boswell
SB options: Glare of Hersey, Kills: Archangel of thune, mirror creatures, Boros Reckoner, Brimaz, Elspeth, Spheres, Banishing light,
Banishing light
Celestial flare for blood barons, stormbreath and hexproof decks (side bonus.)
Rootbound defense
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Standard
GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
GWAggro Retired 9/19/2014
RGPrimeval Titan RIP
1/5/2010 - 9/30/2011
Top 4 Channelfireball Winter series 5k Feb. 2011
3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
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killing Whip of Erobos. I SB 2 banishing light for this exact reason, that opens up sideboard space inwhich we could use to board in some hard removal like putrefy (mono Blue anthem).
Against control decks this card should be a 4 of and could not only counter their wrath spells but also destroy and spheres, banishing lights, elspeth tokens, "fog" and aetherling as an 8/1 or kill a nyx-fleece ram (if they board like that).
Against Jund Monster it protects against overloaded mizzium mortars and other removal, kills Courser, elves, and after their carytid blocks your voice of resurgence you can kill it.
Against Mono Red, like the decklist from the last SCG event, it can kill multiple creatures.
its good against hexproof.
I just think its SO good and I wanna play with it.
My mock list splashing black for it is such:
4 soldier of the pantheon
4 Experiment One
4 voice of resurgence
4 fleecemane lion
4 Banisher Priest
3 Boon Satyr
4 advent of the wurm
3 selesnya charm
2 golgari charm
2 Ajani, caller of the pride
2 Unflinching courage
4 godless shrine
4 temple garden
4 temple of plenty
4 temple of Malady
2 mana confluence
1 forest
1 plains
3 Blood baron of vizkopa
2 Golgari charm
2 celestial flare ~ barons
1 Unflinching courage
3 putrefy ~ stormbreath, anthem or kill spell
the 2 main deck courages are to try and off set the loss of life due to all the shocks. Against I did not want to deviate too much from my main deck G/W aggro list that I have had some success with.
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Standard
GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
GWAggro Retired 9/19/2014
RGPrimeval Titan RIP
1/5/2010 - 9/30/2011
Top 4 Channelfireball Winter series 5k Feb. 2011
3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
Find me on MTGO @ Ruslvmusl91
16th in the Somerset Open.
In the Colombus Invi faced Mono-Blue twice and scrubbed out (got unreal unlucky all around).
Made room for 4 Skylashers and the 3rd Mistcutter Hydra overnight.
12th in the Colombus Open.
Not much of a "ringer" with no top 8s.
Skipping GP Chicago, not sure when my next big event will be.
Edit:
Just took a look at Redirus91's link... they even keep track of my IQ finishes? LOL
I would seriously doubt it doesn't it cost 5 and what would you take out?
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Standard
GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
GWAggro Retired 9/19/2014
RGPrimeval Titan RIP
1/5/2010 - 9/30/2011
Top 4 Channelfireball Winter series 5k Feb. 2011
3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
Find me on MTGO @ Ruslvmusl91
Props to DarkNightCavalier 4 da banner and SGT_Chubbz 4 avvie, here
Standard
GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
GWAggro Retired 9/19/2014
RGPrimeval Titan RIP
1/5/2010 - 9/30/2011
Top 4 Channelfireball Winter series 5k Feb. 2011
3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
Find me on MTGO @ Ruslvmusl91
Thinking something along these lines.
4 Armada Wurm
3 Courser of Kruphix
1 Scion of Vitu-Ghazi
4 Sylvan Caryatid
2 Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
1 Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage
4 Call of the Conclave
4 Advent of the Wurm
4 Garruk's Packleader
4 Banishing Light
1 Rootborn Defenses
3 Selesnya Charm
Lands
8 Forest
8 Plains
4 Temple of Plenty
4 Temple Garden
1 Grove of the Guardian
Curve probably needs to be lowered. Brimaz?
When ever you are making a gw deck that goes up the curve, there are a few major hurdles in this format.
How are you going to beat decks with Supreme Verdict / Revelation?
How are you going to beat decks with Doom Blade / Lifebane Zombie?
How are you going to stay alive against Mono-Blue Aggro?
If you are too slow and without a lot of interaction, you give these decks too much time to pick you apart.
Anyways, I ran over Mono Blue Devotion and Mono Black Devotion or B/x decks with this. So I think I may be on to something:
4 Temple Garden
4 Temple of Plenty
4 Mana Confluence
6 Plains
5 Forest
Creatures: (21)
4 Gladecover Scout
2 Hero of Iroas
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Fiendslayer Paladin
3 Eidolon of Countless Battles
4 Witchstalker
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Selesnya Charm
3 Unflinching Courage
3 Gift of Orzhova
2 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
1 Unflinching Courage
1 Gift of Orzhova
1 Eidolon of Countless Battles
4 Banishing Light
4 Skylasher
4 Ajani's Presence
Anyways, game 1 is an all in strategy to gain life and outrace the opponent with hexproof creatures, lifelink, and quasi hexproof like Fiendslayer or highly durable Voice. Game 1 against mono blue denies the use of Tidebinder on all but the 4 Voices, which gets sided out for Skylashers on game 2. Against Mono Black, once again hexproof keeps black from touching 12 creatures which I enchant and I never worry about even saccing to the desecration demon (no need to when a Witchstalker with flying and lifelink is wrecking his side of the board unless I want to go in for the final kill). Selesnya Charm has carried me through with sneak attacks, and even they don't expect it.
Ajani's Presence is excellent in SB options vs control decks. Since at most I'm trying to save only 1 or 2 creatures from destruction and 1 white open makes them think brave or gods willing instead. So far I like the results, will let you know how the rest goes from here.
isnt this just G/W Hexproof, a branch from Naya hexproof?
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Standard
GRAggro
GRWNaya Purphoros
GWAggro Retired 9/19/2014
RGPrimeval Titan RIP
1/5/2010 - 9/30/2011
Top 4 Channelfireball Winter series 5k Feb. 2011
3rd at California National Qualifiers 2011
40th at GP SLC 2012
Find me on MTGO @ Ruslvmusl91