I proceeded to play many more games which I didn't record which lead me to the conclusion that you'll expect - the deck stomps on R decks, G decks and U aggro decks.
All of my loses came from Esper and Bx Devotion (this is not a good thing, since these are very common decks) based on my results, I was wrong to replace Skylasher with Mistcutter Hydra.
Skylasher ability to Flash in to save creatures from devour is much too strong to give up, also being able to freeze Nightveil Specter is quite handy.
Holy Mantle which I thought about cutting, ended up being a very strong card along with Mending Touch (the 1cc is critical).
I feel like Naya doesn't offer nearly as much as Bant would, which near everyone got stomped by at my Game Day. Ascended Lawmage alone seems like it would make it worth it, not to mention the unblockable aura.
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What's with the singleton Fiendslayer? Also - I really feel like this deck needs a set of Elvish Mystics to actually have T2 Witchstalker. And Banisher Priest? Much rather have Chained to the Rocks as it adds to Ethereal Armor.
Pacifism and Chained serve the same purpose but Chained requires you to have a mountain though costing less. However, Pacifism doesn't shut off devotion unlike Chained to the Rocks does.
What's with the singleton Fiendslayer? Also - I really feel like this deck needs a set of Elvish Mystics to actually have T2 Witchstalker. And Banisher Priest? Much rather have Chained to the Rocks as it adds to Ethereal Armor.
I feel like Naya doesn't offer nearly as much as Bant would, which near everyone got stomped by at my Game Day. Ascended Lawmage alone seems like it would make it worth it, not to mention the unblockable aura.
The low costed Enchantments such as Madcap and Chains allow for more explosive turns - which lets face it is the only way you'll beat Black/x Devotion and Control decks.
Bant offers better creatures and more evasion (at a higher curve), but were not losing to Aggro.
I don't think the deck needs Elvish Mystics mainly due to the limited space in your 75 (it would be nice if we could include him).
I don't like the MD Skylashers and suggest moving them to the side. In my build I have 4 Mystics, 3 G.Scouts, 4 Fleecemane Lions, 4 Witchstalkers and 3 Boon Satyr as the creature base. I also have 3 MD Boros Charm as that gives you insta-wins when you swing with Madcap Skill'd+Courage'd dudes.
I don't like the MD Skylashers and suggest moving them to the side. In my build I have 4 Mystics, 3 G.Scouts, 4 Fleecemane Lions, 4 Witchstalkers and 3 Boon Satyr as the creature base. I also have 3 MD Boros Charm as that gives you insta-wins when you swing with Madcap Skill'd+Courage'd dudes.
Sounds good, I'm just not comfortable on drawing 1 out 8 hexproof creatures in a meta filled with removal. I have seen a list like the one your describing during the normal daily events, but none on them made it past day one during the magic online championship (the one which crashed) so I'm incline to believe it isn't needed.
That said Fleecemane Lions is GREAT vs Control (assuming your not hit by devour flesh).
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Sounds good, I'm just not comfortable on drawing 1 out 8 hexproof creatures in a meta filled with removal. I have seen a list like the one your describing during the normal daily events, but none on them made it past day one during the magic online championship (the one which crashed) so I'm incline to believe it isn't needed.
That said Fleecemane Lions is GREAT vs Control (assuming your not hit by devour flesh).
After playing with them since last season...
Freaking skylasher in some number fits in to the main.
I think its a good card that has a place.
I can't get anyone to play 3 games with me though. LOL.
Freaking skylasher in some number fits in to the main.
I think its a good card that has a place.
I can't get anyone to play 3 games with me though. LOL.
I had many rage quits on my as well during 2-Mans (and I LOVE IT).
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I ran a deck similar to this once and it was not so good. Im gonna try this deck again adding three gifts and using fleecemane lions in the main deck as he adds another threat that has to be answered here is my list
I run a bant version, but why no Sylvan Caryatids? Ties in with the hexproof theme and it helps when monstrousing fleecemane. The sooner he's indestructible the better xD, pile on the enchants and win!
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I generally don't have much problem with creatures because of the giant flying lifelinkers we tend to get and Master of the Waves is an easy match especially with Mistcutter Hyrda.
I was looking for a specific card which attacked the hardest deck I encounter, which is mono black.
I would recommend running Voice, Elsepth or Assemble the Legion to combat Bx.
Assuming you can get past DD and Pack Rat, dodging Devour Flesh and Far // Away will allow you to take over the game.
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If you are going to use one drops which can never be properly hexproof, why not use the heroic ones instead for extra +1/+1 counters. Would Favored Hoplite not be better than Soldier of the Pantheon for example? What do you do when they have Doom Blade?
Sorry, Actually I don't know which thread would be the best one to ask in. I wouldn't mind deleting my other post if the deck really should be discussed here.
When a doom blade hits a solider how would it be different? They would both be dead, with or without extra counters. Kinda the same, but for the same 1 mana, a solider of pantheon can block b/x and r/x creatures, gain life as they cast, and has protection vs duel colored spell like charms.
I don't feel that naya is consistent enough. It's fast and deadly, sure, and in the avacyn environment that was a big deal, but it's not consistent enough to be competitive against the decks that are currently dominating the meta-game. So here i have a related idea that has been doing very well, particularly against mono-blue and mono-black devotion. The basic idea is hexproof, lifelink, vigilance.
I don't feel that naya is consistent enough. It's fast and deadly, sure, and in the avacyn environment that was a big deal, but it's not consistent enough to be competitive against the decks that are currently dominating the meta-game. So here i have a related idea that has been doing very well, particularly against mono-blue and mono-black devotion. The basic idea is hexproof, lifelink, vigilance.
Clerical error. I copied the wrong mana-base. I have godless shrines and overgrown tombs in the deck.
Don't worry about deadbridge. I gave my explanation for it in the post that i linked to but that's not important any more. I have made a few small changes aimed at improving the matchup against esper. The sideboard is still changing too.
4 Forest
3 Plains
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Selesnya Guildgate
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple Garden
1 Temple of Triumph
Creatures 17
2 Boon Satyr
1 Fiendslayer Paladin
4 Gladecover Scout
2 Skylasher
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Witchstalker
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Gift of Orzhova
4 Madcap Skills
4 Unflinching Courage
3 Banisher Priest
2 Boros Charm
3 Fiendslayer Paladin
2 Holy Mantle
3 Mending Touch
2 Skylasher
I tested this deck a number of time running 73/75 (I swapped Skylasher for Hydras)
Some Games:
G1: Junk
G2: Red Devotion
G3: Rbw Burn (the deck which ended up winning mocs11)
G4: Blue/x Devotion
I proceeded to play many more games which I didn't record which lead me to the conclusion that you'll expect - the deck stomps on R decks, G decks and U aggro decks.
All of my loses came from Esper and Bx Devotion (this is not a good thing, since these are very common decks) based on my results, I was wrong to replace Skylasher with Mistcutter Hydra.
Skylasher ability to Flash in to save creatures from devour is much too strong to give up, also being able to freeze Nightveil Specter is quite handy.
Holy Mantle which I thought about cutting, ended up being a very strong card along with Mending Touch (the 1cc is critical).
Going forward I think I'll try:
4 Forest
3 Plains
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Selesnya Guildgate
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple Garden
1 Temple of Triumph
Creatures 15
1 Fiendslayer Paladin
4 Gladecover Scout
2 Skylasher
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Witchstalker
4 Commune with the Gods
Auras 17
2 Chained to the Rocks
4 Ethereal Armor
3 Gift of Orzhova
4 Madcap Skills
4 Unflinching Courage
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Boros Charm
2 Holy Mantle
2 Skylasher
3 Fiendslayer Paladin
3 Mending Touch
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Pacifism and Chained serve the same purpose but Chained requires you to have a mountain though costing less. However, Pacifism doesn't shut off devotion unlike Chained to the Rocks does.
Enough B and R decks running around to make Fiendslayer Paladin work like your 5th Witchstalker.
I don't think the deck needs Elvish Mystics mainly due to the limited space in your 75 (it would be nice if we could include him).
The low costed Enchantments such as Madcap and Chains allow for more explosive turns - which lets face it is the only way you'll beat Black/x Devotion and Control decks.
Bant offers better creatures and more evasion (at a higher curve), but were not losing to Aggro.
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I don't like the MD Skylashers and suggest moving them to the side. In my build I have 4 Mystics, 3 G.Scouts, 4 Fleecemane Lions, 4 Witchstalkers and 3 Boon Satyr as the creature base. I also have 3 MD Boros Charm as that gives you insta-wins when you swing with Madcap Skill'd+Courage'd dudes.
Sounds good, I'm just not comfortable on drawing 1 out 8 hexproof creatures in a meta filled with removal. I have seen a list like the one your describing during the normal daily events, but none on them made it past day one during the magic online championship (the one which crashed) so I'm incline to believe it isn't needed.
That said Fleecemane Lions is GREAT vs Control (assuming your not hit by devour flesh).
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After playing with them since last season...
Freaking skylasher in some number fits in to the main.
I think its a good card that has a place.
I can't get anyone to play 3 games with me though. LOL.
I had many rage quits on my as well during 2-Mans (and I LOVE IT).
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4Fleecemane Lion
4Elvish Mystic
4Witchstalker
4Gladecover Scout
3Voice of Resurgence
4Ethereal Armor
4Chained to the Rocks
4Madcap Skills
4Unflinching Courage
3Gift of Orzhova
Lands Standard Naya lands
My SB might need some work. Im not sure what to put in it
Here is what im thinking in the SB
3Boros Charm
3Ratchet Bomb
4Celestial Flare
3Selesnya Charm
2Boon Satyr
Im gonna run this friday and see how it does with better enchantments and post my results.
Jund
MidrangeMoneypitDevotion to Rakdos
Modern
Infect Combo
Legacy
Manaless Dredge
EDH
Thrax Stax
Jarad, Reanimator Lord
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I also liked how Chains adds to the enchantment count which helps with Ethereal Armor, I do however understand your standpoint.
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The more you deviate from hexproof creatures and auras the weaker the deck becomes, but Fog SB is darn solid.
I would recommend running Voice, Elsepth or Assemble the Legion to combat Bx.
Assuming you can get past DD and Pack Rat, dodging Devour Flesh and Far // Away will allow you to take over the game.
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Devour Flesh and far/away as well as celestial flare from white.
Some of its the natural response of black to deal with cackler, and also blood baron.
but also in white to deal with stormbreath... and blood baron.
I've been slightly unfortunate perhaps in testing.
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Sorry, Actually I don't know which thread would be the best one to ask in. I wouldn't mind deleting my other post if the deck really should be discussed here.
When a doom blade hits a solider how would it be different? They would both be dead, with or without extra counters. Kinda the same, but for the same 1 mana, a solider of pantheon can block b/x and r/x creatures, gain life as they cast, and has protection vs duel colored spell like charms.
4x Witchstalker
3x Voice of Resurgence
3x Skylasher
2x Fiendslayer Paladin
2x Heliod, God of the Sun
1x Deadbridge Goliath
4x Ethereal Armor
3x Forced Adaptation
3x Divine Favor
3x Gift of Orzhova
3x Unflinching Courage
7x Plains
7x Forest
4x Selesnya Guildgate
4x Temple Garden
2x Mistcutter Hydra
1x Skylasher
3x Riot Control
3x Selesnya Charm
2x Orzhov Charm
2x Golgari Charm
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I've got plans for many things, the major one that i still need to deal with is esper control. I think we can lock that down too.
You don't have any black sources - how can you cast Golgari and Orzhov Charm? What is the Deadbridge Goliath there for?
Don't worry about deadbridge. I gave my explanation for it in the post that i linked to but that's not important any more. I have made a few small changes aimed at improving the matchup against esper. The sideboard is still changing too.