Honestly is the card prices weren't so crazy standard would be pretty much saved. If the most expansive card in standard was 2 dollars it would be far easier for people to atleast try the game and it wouldn't be as soul crushing when the best card in your deck gets banned.
Honestly is the card prices weren't so crazy standard would be pretty much saved. If the most expansive card in standard was 2 dollars it would be far easier for people to atleast try the game and it wouldn't be as soul crushing when the best card in your deck gets banned.
They will always have 20 usd cards at minimum in standard lurking somewhere as that's just how the game goes. Modern needs to get their prices under control, but standard is pretty fair.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Standard prices are under much more control than say inn-rtr days... manabases alone was kinda brutal.. but id say khans-bfz was insane entry prices. Honestly I'm just confused when I hear Mark Rosewater say that the small third set was bad and they go and pump out 4 small sets a year. Yes core sets were boring, they helped create a check and balance to cards so they wouldn't need banned. I believe standard was better two blocks a year with core set back up. I believe wizards are getting too greedy with how they changed it and also harshened the trust in players by banning. I'm trying to enjoy this format and I cant find my happy place, so I have to take a step back and come back another day. Ill keep hopes up for Ahmonket.
Honestly is the card prices weren't so crazy standard would be pretty much saved. If the most expansive card in standard was 2 dollars it would be far easier for people to atleast try the game and it wouldn't be as soul crushing when the best card in your deck gets banned.
Honestly is the card prices weren't so crazy standard would be pretty much saved. If the most expansive card in standard was 2 dollars it would be far easier for people to atleast try the game and it wouldn't be as soul crushing when the best card in your deck gets banned.
If you're poor then you shouldn't play magic
considering the bulk of the US population is low-income or lower.. I think your comment is out of place. Without the lower income crowd Magic simply wouldn't have the numbers to exist. Local FNM's would be near barren except in high-income areas... point is, your comment is off-topic and rude. There are always budget options anyways.
that being said, hopefully this pro-tour was an aberration and the upcoming major tournaments will change the meta away from the vehicles soaked thing it has become.. FNM's right now are horrible with the Mardu vehicles everywhere. I'm ok with tier 1 decks.. but when all you play against is the same 2 decks every time it's getting boring.
My comment was a reply to an off-topic commnent.
it's funny how you are kind of trying to think about the people around you, but stop at united states. it always amazes me how so many of you just don't see the world around you.
I'm just saying that magic isn't a necessity and you should be able to prioritize your needs in life. if the threshold for affordable standard is that rares and mythics should only cast 2$ each, then I think you have other problems in your life that need to be addressed. cards' prices are driven by demand, and the high prices are a sign of a functioning market.
You know it's funny: I started playing this game during BFZ/OGW, where everybody was running 3-4 color decks with all the fetchlands. People were complaining so much that it was the worst standard because the decks were just too overpowered. But looking back now, that was actually the most diverse Standard I've seen in my days.
In those days, the prominent decks were:
-Abzan
-Jeskai
-Atarka Red
-Esper Control
-Bant Company
-Rally Combo
-UB Aristocrats
-Ramp
And there's probably more that I'm forgetting. But compare that now to this Standard, where there's only 3 prominent decks. But of course Standard was also much more expensive back then with all the fetchlands.
If the PT is just a meta call, a more curious question why this particular PT? In this PT, almost everyone seemed to be metagaming against Jeskai Saheeli, which led to Mardu Vehicles being the most played deck. But in all past PTs, we all had an idea of what to expect going into it, yet we never had one where 6 of top 8 decks being the same.
You know it's funny: I started playing this game during BFZ/OGW, where everybody was running 3-4 color decks with all the fetchlands. People were complaining so much that it was the worst standard because the decks were just too overpowered. But looking back now, that was actually the most diverse Standard I've seen in my days.
In those days, the prominent decks were:
-Abzan
-Jeskai
-Atarka Red
-Esper Control
-Bant Company
-Rally Combo
-UB Aristocrats
-Ramp
And there's probably more that I'm forgetting. But compare that now to this Standard, where there's only 3 prominent decks. But of course Standard was also much more expensive back then with all the fetchlands.
If the PT is just a meta call, a more curious question why this particular PT? In this PT, almost everyone seemed to be metagaming against Jeskai Saheeli, which led to Mardu Vehicles being the most played deck. But in all past PTs, we all had an idea of what to expect going into it, yet we never had one where 6 of top 8 decks being the same.
I really enjoyed that format. In fact that was the last time I enjoyed standard.
This format may still turn out OK. I'll be interested to see whether the blue Gearhulk decks can make adjustments this weekend. If GB and Vehicles remain dominant, I'll probably just stop playing standard, again, until the next set.
I find it kind of amusing that people are upset about mardu vehicles now. the week before everyone complained that "there is only 2 viable decks in standard!!! GB and Copycat!!! They are both unstoppably good!! I simply told them it is way to early to call the format solved and said I guarantee and aggro deck will surface and mop the floor with them both. I'm not sure if mardu vehicles counts as strictly aggro, but it's close enough if it can beat a turn 4 infinite combo. This is another pendulum swing. Mardu vehicles will be right back to a normal percentage next week when the other decks adjust, or hopefully, new decks surface. and as far as the 3-4 color good decks of yesteryear, remember that really only 2 or 3 of them were consistently tier 1, and each had a weakness to some of the other tier 2 ones, but really it was all about abzan, then on rotation rally, then on rotation CoCo, and all the others were cute but not dominant. This season is not that different
That format was diverse, despite being in the midst of CoCo and rhino. Very interesting format. Much better than the devotion decks and not as good as inn-RTR.
This format is geared with basically three archetypes that each split up into minor ones.. could be better sure. Maybe we were just spoiled back then
Regardless of who was tier 1 and tier 2 back then, all of those decks made a notable presence at the PT and continued to do so after the PT. At the very least, there wasn't one particular build representing 75% of the top 8.
I don't disagree with your statement that this is another pendulum swing. But if it is, why is the pendulum swinging so hard this time around? What is it about this PT and consequently, this meta that's causing so many players to go all-in on one particular deck at each event held this far? Is it related the bannings, or an overarching problem with Standard as a whole?
I'm just speculating here, but my guess on why the pendulum swung this far is simply because of fear of the ban hammer after what just happened, and the most likely card to get banned next, if there is one, is the cat part of copycat. I don't think people want to invest in a deck that they fear will get a ban that just ends the deck entirely, so people went with the deck that copycat struggles with the most, mardu vehicles. and since the vehicle deck already took a major banning, and proved to be resilient even after, it was probably the safest deck to invest in. And lets face it, the vast majority of the Pros are very conservative with deck choices, and tend to be pretty uncreative; until the few Pros that are brewers prove a creative deck can compete. That's when it finally starts to settle down and there is a more balanced meta. Now will be the perfect time for a surprise contender deck to pop up, that hasn't been on anyone's radar. At least that would be my guess.
But still do you think this pack of diversity can be mostly explained by fear of more potential bans?
But if it's is really fear of the ban hammer again, then isn't that already confirmation that Standard is NOT getting better like it should? Think about it: the recent bans were a big indication that Standard is in decline, given how rare Standard bans are implemented. We just had one banning, so the likelihood of another so soon should be low. Yet if so many players are fearful of another banning, then that would imply another banning is likely, which suggests that Standard is still not getting better.
But still do you think this pack of diversity can be mostly explained by fear of more potential bans?
I can say this; there are people at the store I play at that are holding off building decks for standard until after the next ban announcement that shows up in a few weeks. Some of them got burned during the holiday's by buying play sets of Copter only to have it banned a few weeks later. So now they don't want to spend their money on cards; incase something gets banned again in a few more weeks.
So in my opinion; nothing is going to change standard wise; for a few more weeks.
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But still do you think this pack of diversity can be mostly explained by fear of more potential bans?
I can say this; there are people at the store I play at that are holding off building decks for standard until after the next ban announcement that shows up in a few weeks. Some of them got burned during the holiday's by buying play sets of Copter only to have it banned a few weeks later. So now they don't want to spend their money on cards; incase something gets banned again in a few more weeks.
So in my opinion; nothing is going to change standard wise; for a few more weeks.
Psy
This.
This is exactly what I am saying. The major thing most people agreed upon when the bans came is that 'bans decrease consumer confidence'. Why would anyone invest in any cards that look like they might get banned, when relating to what just got banned. Mardu Vehicles looks pretty safe right now, as it's best car got banned and then replaced with another card that everyone said would not replace it. And the deck arguably got better. But Heart is not gonna go in 90% of all standard decks as a 4 of like copter did. And if no pros opted out of copycat for fear of a ban, then why was it far less represented after dominating literally 6 days earlier? that makes zero sense. It just has one weakness, mardu vehicles, so maybe more people brought that instead, but why didn't it beat everything a week earlier? it's all speculation from us either way, but fear of the ban is not only possible, but probable.
If another ban is probable, they outta ban Gideon. You wanna talk overplayed, then look no further. He's played in every deck that runs white and probably even more represented now with 2/3 of the top decks from this meta, as shown by the PT, running white.
He is a nightmare to deal with yet banning him also wouldn't affect the meta so much, as he is only a very powerful support card rather than a core piece, except maybe in GW Tokens, which isn't seeing much play right now.
If another ban is probable, they outta ban Gideon. You wanna talk overplayed, then look no further. He's played in every deck that runs white and probably even more represented now with 2/3 of the top decks from this meta, as shown by the PT, running white.
He is a nightmare to deal with yet banning him also wouldn't affect the meta so much, as he is only a very powerful support card rather than a core piece, except maybe in GW Tokens, which isn't seeing much play right now.
Yeah, I'm still annoyed they banned Copter and Reflector Mage over him. Gideon is the worst.
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They will always have 20 usd cards at minimum in standard lurking somewhere as that's just how the game goes. Modern needs to get their prices under control, but standard is pretty fair.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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My comment was a reply to an off-topic commnent.
it's funny how you are kind of trying to think about the people around you, but stop at united states. it always amazes me how so many of you just don't see the world around you.
I'm just saying that magic isn't a necessity and you should be able to prioritize your needs in life. if the threshold for affordable standard is that rares and mythics should only cast 2$ each, then I think you have other problems in your life that need to be addressed. cards' prices are driven by demand, and the high prices are a sign of a functioning market.
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In those days, the prominent decks were:
-Abzan
-Jeskai
-Atarka Red
-Esper Control
-Bant Company
-Rally Combo
-UB Aristocrats
-Ramp
And there's probably more that I'm forgetting. But compare that now to this Standard, where there's only 3 prominent decks. But of course Standard was also much more expensive back then with all the fetchlands.
If the PT is just a meta call, a more curious question why this particular PT? In this PT, almost everyone seemed to be metagaming against Jeskai Saheeli, which led to Mardu Vehicles being the most played deck. But in all past PTs, we all had an idea of what to expect going into it, yet we never had one where 6 of top 8 decks being the same.
I really enjoyed that format. In fact that was the last time I enjoyed standard.
This format may still turn out OK. I'll be interested to see whether the blue Gearhulk decks can make adjustments this weekend. If GB and Vehicles remain dominant, I'll probably just stop playing standard, again, until the next set.
UR Blue-Red Control
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
This format is geared with basically three archetypes that each split up into minor ones.. could be better sure. Maybe we were just spoiled back then
I don't disagree with your statement that this is another pendulum swing. But if it is, why is the pendulum swinging so hard this time around? What is it about this PT and consequently, this meta that's causing so many players to go all-in on one particular deck at each event held this far? Is it related the bannings, or an overarching problem with Standard as a whole?
UR Blue-Red Control
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
But if it's is really fear of the ban hammer again, then isn't that already confirmation that Standard is NOT getting better like it should? Think about it: the recent bans were a big indication that Standard is in decline, given how rare Standard bans are implemented. We just had one banning, so the likelihood of another so soon should be low. Yet if so many players are fearful of another banning, then that would imply another banning is likely, which suggests that Standard is still not getting better.
I can say this; there are people at the store I play at that are holding off building decks for standard until after the next ban announcement that shows up in a few weeks. Some of them got burned during the holiday's by buying play sets of Copter only to have it banned a few weeks later. So now they don't want to spend their money on cards; incase something gets banned again in a few more weeks.
So in my opinion; nothing is going to change standard wise; for a few more weeks.
Psy
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Elves: 44-31-3
Red-Aggro: 18-9-0
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Bant Aggro: 51-27-6 - U/W/g Midrange: 47-24-1 - Bant: 4-3-0
This.
This is exactly what I am saying. The major thing most people agreed upon when the bans came is that 'bans decrease consumer confidence'. Why would anyone invest in any cards that look like they might get banned, when relating to what just got banned. Mardu Vehicles looks pretty safe right now, as it's best car got banned and then replaced with another card that everyone said would not replace it. And the deck arguably got better. But Heart is not gonna go in 90% of all standard decks as a 4 of like copter did. And if no pros opted out of copycat for fear of a ban, then why was it far less represented after dominating literally 6 days earlier? that makes zero sense. It just has one weakness, mardu vehicles, so maybe more people brought that instead, but why didn't it beat everything a week earlier? it's all speculation from us either way, but fear of the ban is not only possible, but probable.
He is a nightmare to deal with yet banning him also wouldn't affect the meta so much, as he is only a very powerful support card rather than a core piece, except maybe in GW Tokens, which isn't seeing much play right now.
Yeah, I'm still annoyed they banned Copter and Reflector Mage over him. Gideon is the worst.
UR Blue-Red Control
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control