During zen scars with caw blade jace was oppressive and expensive. Delver was a deck mostly powered by commons with the exception of snapy. And cheap aggro decks were quite good at the time. Jund and junk of inn - rtr were pretty damn expensive with shocks and thragtusk basically required add to that the mythics of aristocrats and revelations and plainwalkers of esper. So yeah it was right up there.
Esper Control was hitting $600+ for a bit back around the beginning of this year. That seems extremely high for a Standard deck. I didn't play when Jace TMS was in Standard, and wouldn't doubt that decks with him ran even higher, though.
I think Caw Blade was the peak for a specific deck. But that season involved one expensive deck and several less expensive decks. Last season involved 6 or 7 decks all within 95% of the price of caw blade. There was really no escaping it if you wanted a good deck.
Yep. Last season, there were decks that cost almost a grand, mostly due to the manabases, the sheer number of staples like Thragtusk, Snapcaster Mage, and Boros Reckoner, and Innistrad block's high number of Modern and Legacy staples. The three decks that were consistently tier 1 (Jund, Junk Rites, and UWR) were all in that range. I'd say the cheapest deck was probably Saito Zoo, and even that topped $300.
Also I remember Gerry Thompson piloting a BW Tokens deck that I loved to build because it used almost all of my expensive Standard cards at the time. Bitterblossom, Mutavault, Thoughtseize, etc. This was before BW Tokens became Kitchen Finks/Murderous Redcap based.
Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Yep. Last season, there were decks that cost almost a grand, mostly due to the manabases, the sheer number of staples like Thragtusk, Snapcaster Mage, and Boros Reckoner, and Innistrad block's high number of Modern and Legacy staples. The three decks that were consistently tier 1 (Jund, Junk Rites, and UWR) were all in that range. I'd say the cheapest deck was probably Saito Zoo, and even that topped $300.
I'm pretty sure Red Deck Wins was like $100 or less, and it was reasonably competitive. The most expensive card in the whole thing was Boros Reckoner.
It's important to note that a lot of these cards have changed in value since then, and I think the OP means, what was the most expensive deck in its day. I still will support either ZEN/Scars Standard U/W control / cawblade decks with Jace, and ZEN/ALA Standard's notorious "Mythic Bant", as the most expensive Standard decks of all time (and IN their own time, mind you) - and that's including factoring in how very much cheaper ZEN fetchlands were back then. It nearly drove me to quitting in frustration, because it felt like your choices were to spend money or get beat by money. Jace's tour of duty in Standard, for those who were on the receiving end of it, was a season in hell. WotC's dogged refusal to admit they'd made a huge mistake led to them not banning him until almost all the damage had been done. What was left was a stagnant format and a lot of people quitting Magic altogether. Combine Jace's oppression with the overwhelming power of Titans, which was almost as bad and almost as wallet-crushing, and it made Standard feel like a hopelessly closed format without innovation. You could play all the "fun" decks you wanted, as long as you were comfortable with never doing better than 2-2 at an FNM.
At the time, I was fortunate enough to own 3 Primevals and had a friend who loaned me one, so I was able to run the second-best deck until it rotated. Standard finally started to actually get *fun* after the banning of the Worldwake Wonders, and I enjoyed brewing random fun stuff like Bant Pod and Emeria Control. Even Innistrad, with its annoying Huntmasters and Snapcasters, was mild compared to the old Jace days. Complain all you want about how broken Delver was (and is), at least he was a common. Return to Rav block started the climb back towards costly Standard decks (IMO). Theros's Devotion mechanic did a bit to alleviate this, by making shocklands more optional, but Theros also has printed a lot of low-mana high-impact mythics (including several of the gods), not to mention Thoughtseize, that have spiked prices a bit. I would rank RtR/Thr Standard as only a step behind Scars/INN Standard in expense. Still way cheaper than any Standard format that had ZEN block in it!
Replies to some ongoing card discussions in this thread:
Mana Confluence: yeah, this annoyed me for a while but it's down to around 10-11 which feels more fair. I feel it will eventually bottom out around $8 before going back up. I have two and plan to grab the other two at that point. Aggressive decks will need it (because life is always less important than hitting your drops on curve) and it will even see some Legacy play (being a strictly better City of Brass, albeit only slightly). If they go much over $20 though I will dump them again and re-buy when they rotate to try to make a little money.
Athreos: It's hype, I really don't see how he can do anything but drop. Unlike a lot of the cheapest gods he does nothing on an empty board. Cards that need other cards to hold their hands are rarely format defining. People are starstruck by his stats but he'll drop in time. Thassa and Pharika are better in the long game, and we don't know what kind of wrath effects we will be getting once Verdict is out. Maybe Anger of the Gods or some other exiling wrath will be big, in which case Athreos will be useless. So yeah, I really feel Athreos will bottom out somewhere around $5 unless Khans does something really unusual.
Shocklands: I'm only missing a few, picked up most when they were 5-ish and am waiting now for the rotation selloff to finish my last playsets. I consider Shocklands a longterm investment and anyone who gets rid of them is probably making a mistake. There are only three ways shocks could possibly be a bad investment:
1. Modern dies out as a format. I don't see this happening at present, does anyone else? It's hugely popular and WotC's making a mint off it. Why would Modern die?
2. They get banned in Modern. How would this even happen? The abusiveness - if any - is that ZEN fetches can find shocklands and make any deck have access to any color. OK, so if WotC wants to ban something, they'll probably ban ZEN fetches in Modern, not the shocks themselves.
3. WotC prints something that's just better. This is the most likely reason why shocks might tank, and even this is pretty unlikely. I think shocklands are about the best dual lands WotC thinks are "fair" for Standard formats. Anything they print newly in a Standard legal set, will have to be tuned to not be too dominant for Standard. (And let's face it - shocklands in RtR have had as much impact on Standard as Theros's entire Devotion *mechanic*.) So, what would be a strictly better land than Shocklands? I guess "Pinglands" - same thing only you take one. Anything better than that, would be reprinting true duals, which they would never do. So we have to decide: just how money-grubbing ARE WotC? Will they print "pinglands" and make Modern even more of a playground for abusive combo decks? I really don't think they will do that.
Conclusion: shocklands are a safe investment for the foreseeable future. They will never go as high as they would have if WotC hadn't reprinted a whole ton, and it'll be a while yet before supplies of RtR block packs run low, but once they do, the prices are going to start to climb back up. One day they will be $70-80 dollar cards. If you think about your collection's value in the long run, even paying $20 for one is a good deal.
Brimaz: I traded him at $30, largely because I prefer to play Control over Aggro, but I don't think holding him would be too wrong. As someone else said, he's a small set mythic that fits well into aggressive strategies. He's going to spike like crazy after rotation, especially if the meta is ripe for a White Weenie resurgence. I would not be surprised to see him over $40 this winter. It's important to remember that extremely fast aggro decks may just run a full four of him if it's really critical to land him on turn 3. Losing Reckoner means red and white will both lose what is arguably their best three-drop. What can replace him? Anax and Cymede? I doubt it. Khans will probably be a bit more gold than Theros but it won't be Ravnica-level gold. I don't expect to see hybrid mana symbols in abundance. So the format will be one in which the mana demands of multicolor decks will be harsher. And the simultaneous loss of shocklands means aggressive decks will be playing fewer colors. You can't easily make either1WW for Brimaz or1GG for Boon Satyr (to pick another non-rotating aggressive three drop rare) on turn three when your color fixing is... taplands. 4x Mana Confluence will help but won't be enough. Until we know more about color fixing in M15 and Khans we have to assume aggro will lean towards abusing Devotion and linear mono strategies. Enough Brimazes might even make Heliod see some play, which could be cool; it could also lead to a resurgence of mono-blue if that deck can find replacements for what it's losing.
Ajani, Mentor of Heroes: really depends on what comes out in M15 and Khans. I am guessing though, that after Theros block's enchantment craziness, we will see only a few good enchantments in those sets. I think it's fair to evaluate Ajani largely on the basis of what he *currently* has to work with. Basically, he wants to be in a Nyxborn deck of some kind, because then the same cards can both be dug for or pumped by his abilities. What I don't like about him is that 100 life is not the same thing as winning the game, and his first ability does nothing on an empty board. I see him as being similar to Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas - he is a good enabler and alt win-con in the right deck, but isn't the sort of card that will run a Standard format the way Elspeth currently does. He is already starting to drop. I got rid of mine at $30 and feel no regrets. Elspeth's $20 value is a hard price, not hype - she is actually worth that and more, because left unanswered she simply wins games. Ajani's $17 is still about $7 worth of hype.
The cards I am most excited about are wraths at the moment, and hopes for mono-blue post rotation. The rotation of Supreme Verdict and Sphinx's Revelation will have a huge impact. Control will be searching desperately for replacements, and if they don't appear in short order there is a real window for aggro-control like mono-blue to make a resurgence. I will be looking at M15 and Khans closely to see whether control gets the replacement tools it needs, and if not, I'm going to be betting on aggro cards to do well.
LoL at people thinking Brizmaz is going down. Are you serious? I understand you wanna buy some , but this isn't right. M15 spoilers anyone? A lot of convoke , tokens , and cards with token synergy. I dont see Brizmaz going down AT ALL. Vigilance is perfect for convoke.
LoL at people thinking Brizmaz is going down. Are you serious? I understand you wanna buy some , but this isn't right. M15 spoilers anyone? A lot of convoke , tokens , and cards with token synergy. I dont see Brizmaz going down AT ALL. Vigilance is perfect for convoke.
I agree, but you also have to ask yourself what standard playable convoke spells there even are. Chord is obviously good, not sure about the rest. The only other instant-speed Convokes we're getting are Devouring Light, Stoke the Flames, and Gather Courage. All other Convoke cards are either situational sorceries, a pump artifact, and creatures. Is committing *more* guys to the board, making wraths better against us, what a token deck really wants to be doing?
I don't think we'll really be seeing a 'Convoke deck'. I think we might see G/W tokens with Brimaz + Chord. I don't dispute that that will help Brimaz (esp. the ability to instantly Chord in Aegis Angel to save Brimaz from a wrath). But I don't know if it will be 'the deck' in the upcoming Standard. I am always a fan of token strategies so I will prob borrow a couple Brimazes and try it out, but I don't know about it going long. There are other linear strategies you can build around, like Constellation, that don't open you up so badly to getting wiped out by mass kill as tokens do. Really, I think Courser will be Standard's best creature after rotation, not Brimaz.
You are right , but im not only talking about convoke. We gonna have cards like military intelligence( A U/W deck with Ephara , Brizmaz , Chasm skulker , elspeth...) , preeminent captain (Brizmaz attacking with token for free ) . You can even use the tokens with Jalira . You can protect your creatures with Ephemeral shield or rootborn defenses , boros charm etc... IDK , everything tells me that Brizmaz is gonna see more play in std.
Why is mutavault's price still so high? It's basically $20, $15 if you are lucky. I know it has not yet meet it's official end in standard but it's going to soon. The number of sell offs on ebay seem to be low supply. I might need to wait another week or two. M15 will alter the format for more sell offs, but there won't be the mass sell off till khans comes out.
If you're waiting for a price drop, it probably won't happen until after rotation. With it still being in Standard for the time being, you bet it will still be used.
Why is mutavault's price still so high? It's basically $20, $15 if you are lucky. I know it has not yet meet it's official end in standard but it's going to soon. The number of sell offs on ebay seem to be low supply. I might need to wait another week or two. M15 will alter the format for more sell offs, but there won't be the mass sell off till khans comes out.
If you're waiting for a price drop, it probably won't happen until after rotation. With it still being in Standard for the time being, you bet it will still be used.
If Supreme Verdict rotated before it and gave Mutavault some time in Standard without a good wrath effect, maybe it would drop some. But Muta will be rotating alongside Verdict, which is the primary card causing it to be heavily played in Standard. So yeah, it won't drop any until rotation, and not much then either. Don't expect them to ever get below ten. They might not even dip below 15. WotC reprinting it once means they could reprint it again, and the card sees play in Modern. Mutavault is no flash in the pan.
The price for Nissa, Worldwaker is absolutely insane. It was under $20 Prerelease weekend and on the Thursday before Release day, it is almost $40. Wow.
I generally don't follow prices closely, but this is a card my son wants, so I have been this time. Is this normal for the consensus best mythic in a set? Does the hype usually die down?
The price for Nissa, Worldwaker is absolutely insane. It was under $20 Prerelease weekend and on the Thursday before Release day, it is almost $40. Wow.
I generally don't follow prices closely, but this is a card my son wants, so I have been this time. Is this normal for the consensus best mythic in a set? Does the hype usually die down?
I think it'll die down. She seems more or less like a hybrid of the first two Garruks. If you drop her on t5 all she does is recoup most of her cost (and only if you run a heavily-forest build, ie. mono green). If you drop her on t6 she's like an expensive, late Koth. Her ultimate is pretty good but I don't know if it's as good as Garruk, Primal Hunter's "wurm per land" ultimate. Plus you have to keep her alive for four more turns to get there.
I think her untap-lands ability ought to be compared to original Garruk - he was a minor role-player in Standard but never truly dominant in the format. She comes down a turn later which could wind up really hurting her. Of course, the deck that wants her the most will have the best ramp, so theoretically, she can arrive as early as t3. But if you do that, you won't have enough forests to actually reap maximum benefits from her ability. And, critically, she can't untap Nykthos, which is the one land devotion most wants to untap.
She will be a 2 to 3-of in mono-green devotion, if that is even a deck after rotation. I think $40 is a hype price. She will drop to a more reasonable $15ish, possibly less if the only deck that wants her (mono-green) fails to get any good toys from Khans.
There's only one way to tell if the hype is justified.
Should be a really good SCG Open this weekend. I'm sure black will win which means Green still isn't in a good place.
After rotation Nissa can only uptap basics then where is she?
Still not being able to either kill her off or attack her through a 4/4 is a scary prospect. Would be great to Supreme Verdict after they ultimate her though
I'm really not seeing it against the current tier 1 decks but anything could happen.
There are many mythic rares out there that are just popular FNM cards rather than tournament cards. Aurelia, Kalonian Hydra, Archangel of Thune, Master Biomancer and many god/planeswalker cards retain a bit of value even though they're never going to see any (some with Archangel) main deck play in the top 8 of big tournaments.
Currently under $30 on TCGPlayer. I agree that it will depend on the upcoming Open. It could rise a bit more (for the very short-term) in which case people will likely open more M15 for it, allowing its price to settle, or it could not show up at all and drop down to around $20. I definitely don't think it will stay this high long-term, but it's hard to say how quickly it will fall. I don't think this is going to be a $5 card any time soon; it's powerful and appeals to multiple types of players.
Re: Nissa - of course, all bets are off if we get some sexy new non-basic lands with basic land types (like Sapseep Forest but hopefully better) in Khans. She may be a pre-seed for such a mechanic. Let's hope so, because non-basic-basics are really fun in EDH and I want more to be printed!
The price for Nissa, Worldwaker is absolutely insane. It was under $20 Prerelease weekend and on the Thursday before Release day, it is almost $40. Wow.
I generally don't follow prices closely, but this is a card my son wants, so I have been this time. Is this normal for the consensus best mythic in a set? Does the hype usually die down?
Chandra, Pyromaster rose to as high as $40 last october October. And now, it has dropped down to $8. Just wait for the hype to pass. No way is Nissa's price tag going to stay this high.
I think it is zen scars followed by inn-rtr.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Also I remember Gerry Thompson piloting a BW Tokens deck that I loved to build because it used almost all of my expensive Standard cards at the time. Bitterblossom, Mutavault, Thoughtseize, etc. This was before BW Tokens became Kitchen Finks/Murderous Redcap based.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Tooth & Nail........Grishoalbrand....Living Dominance....Tezzerator.........Vannifar Pod
My Decks that have been BANNED
DRS Jund | Kiki-Pod | Bloom Titan | Splinter Twin | KCI
Theres 3x more Elspeth on the market than there's Ajani... think about it...
Newer cards will always be worth more, and mana confluence will still hold it's value while played, even more when we lose shocklands...
At the time, I was fortunate enough to own 3 Primevals and had a friend who loaned me one, so I was able to run the second-best deck until it rotated. Standard finally started to actually get *fun* after the banning of the Worldwake Wonders, and I enjoyed brewing random fun stuff like Bant Pod and Emeria Control. Even Innistrad, with its annoying Huntmasters and Snapcasters, was mild compared to the old Jace days. Complain all you want about how broken Delver was (and is), at least he was a common. Return to Rav block started the climb back towards costly Standard decks (IMO). Theros's Devotion mechanic did a bit to alleviate this, by making shocklands more optional, but Theros also has printed a lot of low-mana high-impact mythics (including several of the gods), not to mention Thoughtseize, that have spiked prices a bit. I would rank RtR/Thr Standard as only a step behind Scars/INN Standard in expense. Still way cheaper than any Standard format that had ZEN block in it!
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., who is up in Heaven now. EDH WUBRG Child of Alara WUBRG BGW Karador, Ghost Chieftain BGW RGW Mayael the Anima RGW WUB Sharuum the Hegemon WUB RWU Zedruu the Greathearted RWU
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova WB RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed RG B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade B G Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer G *click the general's name to see my list!*
Mana Confluence: yeah, this annoyed me for a while but it's down to around 10-11 which feels more fair. I feel it will eventually bottom out around $8 before going back up. I have two and plan to grab the other two at that point. Aggressive decks will need it (because life is always less important than hitting your drops on curve) and it will even see some Legacy play (being a strictly better City of Brass, albeit only slightly). If they go much over $20 though I will dump them again and re-buy when they rotate to try to make a little money.
Athreos: It's hype, I really don't see how he can do anything but drop. Unlike a lot of the cheapest gods he does nothing on an empty board. Cards that need other cards to hold their hands are rarely format defining. People are starstruck by his stats but he'll drop in time. Thassa and Pharika are better in the long game, and we don't know what kind of wrath effects we will be getting once Verdict is out. Maybe Anger of the Gods or some other exiling wrath will be big, in which case Athreos will be useless. So yeah, I really feel Athreos will bottom out somewhere around $5 unless Khans does something really unusual.
Shocklands: I'm only missing a few, picked up most when they were 5-ish and am waiting now for the rotation selloff to finish my last playsets. I consider Shocklands a longterm investment and anyone who gets rid of them is probably making a mistake. There are only three ways shocks could possibly be a bad investment:
1. Modern dies out as a format. I don't see this happening at present, does anyone else? It's hugely popular and WotC's making a mint off it. Why would Modern die?
2. They get banned in Modern. How would this even happen? The abusiveness - if any - is that ZEN fetches can find shocklands and make any deck have access to any color. OK, so if WotC wants to ban something, they'll probably ban ZEN fetches in Modern, not the shocks themselves.
3. WotC prints something that's just better. This is the most likely reason why shocks might tank, and even this is pretty unlikely. I think shocklands are about the best dual lands WotC thinks are "fair" for Standard formats. Anything they print newly in a Standard legal set, will have to be tuned to not be too dominant for Standard. (And let's face it - shocklands in RtR have had as much impact on Standard as Theros's entire Devotion *mechanic*.) So, what would be a strictly better land than Shocklands? I guess "Pinglands" - same thing only you take one. Anything better than that, would be reprinting true duals, which they would never do. So we have to decide: just how money-grubbing ARE WotC? Will they print "pinglands" and make Modern even more of a playground for abusive combo decks? I really don't think they will do that.
Conclusion: shocklands are a safe investment for the foreseeable future. They will never go as high as they would have if WotC hadn't reprinted a whole ton, and it'll be a while yet before supplies of RtR block packs run low, but once they do, the prices are going to start to climb back up. One day they will be $70-80 dollar cards. If you think about your collection's value in the long run, even paying $20 for one is a good deal.
Brimaz: I traded him at $30, largely because I prefer to play Control over Aggro, but I don't think holding him would be too wrong. As someone else said, he's a small set mythic that fits well into aggressive strategies. He's going to spike like crazy after rotation, especially if the meta is ripe for a White Weenie resurgence. I would not be surprised to see him over $40 this winter. It's important to remember that extremely fast aggro decks may just run a full four of him if it's really critical to land him on turn 3. Losing Reckoner means red and white will both lose what is arguably their best three-drop. What can replace him? Anax and Cymede? I doubt it. Khans will probably be a bit more gold than Theros but it won't be Ravnica-level gold. I don't expect to see hybrid mana symbols in abundance. So the format will be one in which the mana demands of multicolor decks will be harsher. And the simultaneous loss of shocklands means aggressive decks will be playing fewer colors. You can't easily make either 1WW for Brimaz or 1GG for Boon Satyr (to pick another non-rotating aggressive three drop rare) on turn three when your color fixing is... taplands. 4x Mana Confluence will help but won't be enough. Until we know more about color fixing in M15 and Khans we have to assume aggro will lean towards abusing Devotion and linear mono strategies. Enough Brimazes might even make Heliod see some play, which could be cool; it could also lead to a resurgence of mono-blue if that deck can find replacements for what it's losing.
Ajani, Mentor of Heroes: really depends on what comes out in M15 and Khans. I am guessing though, that after Theros block's enchantment craziness, we will see only a few good enchantments in those sets. I think it's fair to evaluate Ajani largely on the basis of what he *currently* has to work with. Basically, he wants to be in a Nyxborn deck of some kind, because then the same cards can both be dug for or pumped by his abilities. What I don't like about him is that 100 life is not the same thing as winning the game, and his first ability does nothing on an empty board. I see him as being similar to Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas - he is a good enabler and alt win-con in the right deck, but isn't the sort of card that will run a Standard format the way Elspeth currently does. He is already starting to drop. I got rid of mine at $30 and feel no regrets. Elspeth's $20 value is a hard price, not hype - she is actually worth that and more, because left unanswered she simply wins games. Ajani's $17 is still about $7 worth of hype.
The cards I am most excited about are wraths at the moment, and hopes for mono-blue post rotation. The rotation of Supreme Verdict and Sphinx's Revelation will have a huge impact. Control will be searching desperately for replacements, and if they don't appear in short order there is a real window for aggro-control like mono-blue to make a resurgence. I will be looking at M15 and Khans closely to see whether control gets the replacement tools it needs, and if not, I'm going to be betting on aggro cards to do well.
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., who is up in Heaven now. EDH WUBRG Child of Alara WUBRG BGW Karador, Ghost Chieftain BGW RGW Mayael the Anima RGW WUB Sharuum the Hegemon WUB RWU Zedruu the Greathearted RWU
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova WB RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed RG B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade B G Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer G *click the general's name to see my list!*
I agree, but you also have to ask yourself what standard playable convoke spells there even are. Chord is obviously good, not sure about the rest. The only other instant-speed Convokes we're getting are Devouring Light, Stoke the Flames, and Gather Courage. All other Convoke cards are either situational sorceries, a pump artifact, and creatures. Is committing *more* guys to the board, making wraths better against us, what a token deck really wants to be doing?
I don't think we'll really be seeing a 'Convoke deck'. I think we might see G/W tokens with Brimaz + Chord. I don't dispute that that will help Brimaz (esp. the ability to instantly Chord in Aegis Angel to save Brimaz from a wrath). But I don't know if it will be 'the deck' in the upcoming Standard. I am always a fan of token strategies so I will prob borrow a couple Brimazes and try it out, but I don't know about it going long. There are other linear strategies you can build around, like Constellation, that don't open you up so badly to getting wiped out by mass kill as tokens do. Really, I think Courser will be Standard's best creature after rotation, not Brimaz.
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., who is up in Heaven now. EDH WUBRG Child of Alara WUBRG BGW Karador, Ghost Chieftain BGW RGW Mayael the Anima RGW WUB Sharuum the Hegemon WUB RWU Zedruu the Greathearted RWU
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova WB RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed RG B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade B G Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer G *click the general's name to see my list!*
If you're waiting for a price drop, it probably won't happen until after rotation. With it still being in Standard for the time being, you bet it will still be used.
If Supreme Verdict rotated before it and gave Mutavault some time in Standard without a good wrath effect, maybe it would drop some. But Muta will be rotating alongside Verdict, which is the primary card causing it to be heavily played in Standard. So yeah, it won't drop any until rotation, and not much then either. Don't expect them to ever get below ten. They might not even dip below 15. WotC reprinting it once means they could reprint it again, and the card sees play in Modern. Mutavault is no flash in the pan.
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., who is up in Heaven now. EDH WUBRG Child of Alara WUBRG BGW Karador, Ghost Chieftain BGW RGW Mayael the Anima RGW WUB Sharuum the Hegemon WUB RWU Zedruu the Greathearted RWU
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova WB RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed RG B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade B G Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer G *click the general's name to see my list!*
I generally don't follow prices closely, but this is a card my son wants, so I have been this time. Is this normal for the consensus best mythic in a set? Does the hype usually die down?
I think it'll die down. She seems more or less like a hybrid of the first two Garruks. If you drop her on t5 all she does is recoup most of her cost (and only if you run a heavily-forest build, ie. mono green). If you drop her on t6 she's like an expensive, late Koth. Her ultimate is pretty good but I don't know if it's as good as Garruk, Primal Hunter's "wurm per land" ultimate. Plus you have to keep her alive for four more turns to get there.
I think her untap-lands ability ought to be compared to original Garruk - he was a minor role-player in Standard but never truly dominant in the format. She comes down a turn later which could wind up really hurting her. Of course, the deck that wants her the most will have the best ramp, so theoretically, she can arrive as early as t3. But if you do that, you won't have enough forests to actually reap maximum benefits from her ability. And, critically, she can't untap Nykthos, which is the one land devotion most wants to untap.
She will be a 2 to 3-of in mono-green devotion, if that is even a deck after rotation. I think $40 is a hype price. She will drop to a more reasonable $15ish, possibly less if the only deck that wants her (mono-green) fails to get any good toys from Khans.
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., who is up in Heaven now. EDH WUBRG Child of Alara WUBRG BGW Karador, Ghost Chieftain BGW RGW Mayael the Anima RGW WUB Sharuum the Hegemon WUB RWU Zedruu the Greathearted RWU
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova WB RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed RG B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade B G Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer G *click the general's name to see my list!*
Should be a really good SCG Open this weekend. I'm sure black will win which means Green still isn't in a good place.
After rotation Nissa can only uptap basics then where is she?
Still not being able to either kill her off or attack her through a 4/4 is a scary prospect. Would be great to Supreme Verdict after they ultimate her though
I'm really not seeing it against the current tier 1 decks but anything could happen.
There are many mythic rares out there that are just popular FNM cards rather than tournament cards. Aurelia, Kalonian Hydra, Archangel of Thune, Master Biomancer and many god/planeswalker cards retain a bit of value even though they're never going to see any (some with Archangel) main deck play in the top 8 of big tournaments.
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., who is up in Heaven now. EDH WUBRG Child of Alara WUBRG BGW Karador, Ghost Chieftain BGW RGW Mayael the Anima RGW WUB Sharuum the Hegemon WUB RWU Zedruu the Greathearted RWU
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova WB RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed RG B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade B G Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer G *click the general's name to see my list!*
Chandra, Pyromaster rose to as high as $40 last october October. And now, it has dropped down to $8. Just wait for the hype to pass. No way is Nissa's price tag going to stay this high.
EDH:
Zur, The Enchanter
Modern:
Burn
Legacy:
Cheeri0s
Burn
How could I be so sure so far out?
Just look at the cards. It's all about beating that mono black deck and Nissa doesn't do that.
Everywhere I look people are complaining about the price on Nissa. It's not a required card so it doesn't matter.